If Buick WAS to Make A New gnX

[someguy2112]

Hi Everybody,

I think that buick has the potential to make a new regal Gn/GnX However, I think that the fan base isnt big enough. I think we should make an online petition and send it to Buick I bet you in about 6 months after seeing that they will start work on a new Regal. This is what ford people did with the focus Rs and cosworth and guess what? Their bringing it over for 2007 Turbocharged 4cyl. Cosworth. So I think the potential is there its just that we need to be heard.

Leo

[Waterboxguy03]

Hi Everybody,

I think that buick has the potential to make a new regal Gn/GnX However, I think that the fan base isnt big enough. I think we should make an online petition and send it to Buick I bet you in about 6 months after seeing that they will start work on a new Regal. This is what ford people did with the focus Rs and cosworth and guess what? Their bringing it over for 2007 Turbocharged 4cyl. Cosworth. So I think the potential is there its just that we need to be heard.

Leo

They would make it chevy powered and unaffordable because your buying the GNX name. They already had a concept of an 08 GNX or something and it was LS2 powered or something...which aint a bad drivetrain by any means but not for the GNX. And in the long run would ruin the GNX much like they did the charger and gto....bout the only car I think they did right was the mustang now if they would offer a 351 or 302 again it would be cool.

[Kerry s.]

They would make it chevy powered and unaffordable because your buying the GNX name. They already had a concept of an 08 GNX or something and it was LS2 powered or something...which aint a bad drivetrain by any means but not for the GNX.

I totally agree!:TU: GM has their head WAAAYYYY too far up Shivvie's butt! Anything any GM brand want's to build performance-wise is pretty much man-dated to be "corporate (AKA Shivvie) powered". Why build a Buick...any Buick with the soul of a Shivvie, ANY Shivvie???:rant:

Sad thing is everyone's touting the LS line's superiority and doesn't even see that the majority of the architectural design is just plain "stolen" (oops, sorry...living in this PC time of history I guess I should have used the word "borrowed":grin: ) old-style Buick BB's, SB's & V6's.:Dou:

Honestly, what does it REALLY share with the original SBC??:Do No:




And in the long run would ruin the GNX much like they did the charger and gto....bout the only car I think they did right was the mustang now if they would offer a 351 or 302 again it would be cool.

I also agree on these points. I like the new Mustang design...you can't mistake it for some other ho-hum model like the GTO or Charger can be. And the fact that the (it's a semi-hemi at best!) HEMI is now available in almost everything that Dailmer Chrysler has to offer even the Jeep line!:Dou:

I will give them prop's on one thing thought...IF they follow through....and that is the new Challenger concept car.:TU: I haven't considered owning a new car (BTW...never have owned one) after the GN was discontinued in Dec '87 (I was 2 months shy of my 21st birthday so didn't have the cash anyway) until the '05 Mustang was announced. And....I think the Challenger is an even better looking omage to the original than the 'stang, I could definately see one of those sitting in my garage and I'm a DIE-HARD Buick guy. The infamous original Stage 1 vs Roy Badie's Hemi article introduced me to the Buick's butt-kicking torque and I've been hooked every since that Dec '84 issue!

Time will tell if Chrysler allows Dodge to go ahead and build the Challenger as it is. Hopefully they will not screw around with it like the Charger (4-door, that was a mark of genius!) was by no more than adding a new grille and such to a 300 and rebadging it.:Dou:

[78ParkAvenue]

http://popularhotrodding.com/features/0510phr_spread_z.jpg

Looks pretty good I think. It probably wouldn't happen. If Buick were to collapse, would GM still own the Buick name? I hope Saab and Pontiac go before Buick does.

[jeff bullock]

http://popularhotrodding.com/features/0510phr_spread_z.jpg

Looks pretty good I think. It probably wouldn't happen. If Buick were to collapse, would GM still own the Buick name? I hope Saab and Pontiac go before Buick does.It looks good but the days of the "brand" engine are over folks.Each manufacturer has a base engine line and they put those in all the different makes,i.e. Chrysler,Dodge....Chevy,Pontiac,Buick...It's how they save money.Now the musclecar war is being waged just as much with sheetmetal as it is engines.Just don't have all the different engine makes like we did back in the day.However I would take a new Buick if it looked like that one rather it had an LS 2 in it or not.A new Buick motor just ain't gonna happen.Get used to it. :ball: :ball: :ball:

[58buickspecial]

As nice as it would be, it wont happen. If it does, it'll be a close twin to the new GTO, sure as hell they wont be origonal enough cause it would cost them too dam much for them to make a obseen profit on it. AND IF, if they did it would be in low production #s and avordable to those like Jay Leno and other rich show biz types.

[NJBuickRacer]

You won't find much support on this site. Most of the people here don't want a car that gets 28 MPG and has 400hp. They'd rather whine about LS1/LS2 engines (that share nothing with a chevy engine except bore spacing) and how everything sucks except 40 year old cars. I love my Buicks, but technology has moved past the point where many people on this site are comfortable with.

[alec296]

did a search online from motown muscle.com
and the supposed 07 concept gnx is a gto body
with some minor facia and a 3.6 twin turbo variable valve timing motor
6 speed manual trans
450 hp
12.8 at 112 mph
suppose to be built late 2006

[Waterboxguy03]

did a search online from motown muscle.com
and the supposed 07 concept gnx is a gto body
with some minor facia and a 3.6 twin turbo variable valve timing motor
6 speed manual trans
450 hp
12.8 at 112 mph
suppose to be built late 2006


I think thats a different one than I looked at...if they built it like that then maybe it could work...the next problem is affording it...60-70k ouch

[alec296]

here is one base on caddillac platform
hood bulge like the early models,grill kind of fits in too
they need to make up there minds

[350T-type]

GM is in no condition to make a V-6 Turbo car EVER. The chance that a Gn or GnX will be brought back is pretty much next to nothing :Smarty: I put $1000 bucks on it :grin:

[Buick Power]

That Popular Hotrodding rendering is nice looking. The "2007" rendering is unrealistic, being that they stopped production on that platform. The Zeta platform is tooling up in Australia and will start to put out the next generation rear wheel drive V8 cars. Supposedly, an `08 GTO will be one of them. I wish Buick ends up with something, but I fear that streamlining the divisions could prevent them from getting a muscle car. Even though, I think Buick should be combating the entry and mid level BMW's instead of Cadillac combating the full line up, plus Mercedes, etc. You will NOT see a GN or GNX name plate. GN stands for Grand National which is a race series that Buick is no longer participating in. GS will be perfectly suited. And an LS7 powered GSX would be fantastic. I fell in love with the Buicks in the mid 80's and ran over everything with a `71 Centurion when I was in high school. But, I love the new GTO's, they are a thrill to drive and will beat just about anything. With the release of the revised 5.3, 6.0, 6.2 & 7.0, something like a 455 Buick or Turbo V6 will never happen. Everything is gearing up for variable displacement and variable timing so they can get away with these bigger engines. I think it is wise that GM concentrates on a refined engine line up. The LS engines are awesome powerplants. And just like the Buick engines, the SBC is an important part of HISTORY.

[fastest430]

I'm not shure I'd have the cash to buy one anyway. :(

[RATROASTER]

You won't find much support on this site. Most of the people here don't want a car that gets 28 MPG and has 400hp. They'd rather whine about LS1/LS2 engines (that share nothing with a chevy engine except bore spacing) and how everything sucks except 40 year old cars. I love my Buicks, but technology has moved past the point where many people on this site are comfortable with.

28MPG, 400HP and RWD with the Buick Trishield......That would be the cat's a$$

[Joe Kelsch]

You won't find much support on this site. Most of the people here don't want a car that gets 28 MPG and has 400hp. They'd rather whine about LS1/LS2 engines (that share nothing with a chevy engine except bore spacing) and how everything sucks except 40 year old cars. I love my Buicks, but technology has moved past the point where many people on this site are comfortable with.

I'd like to have 400hp and 28mpg.

Have you ever seen the carbed version of these engines (only over the counter of course) The timing cover has provisions for a distributor which would put it up front. That reminds me a lot of a type of motor we all love (no, not cadillacs).

[regal8r]

here is one base on caddillac platform
hood bulge like the early models,grill kind of fits in too
they need to make up there minds
that looks AWESOME, cept for the headlights...i like how the grille even looks like a GN/regal grille :cool:

if they WERE to bring them back, they would more than likely would put a chevy under the hood, but just for the sake of dreaming...















COULD YOU IMAGINE A 2ND GEN BUICK TURBO MOTOR!?!?!?! :eek2: :eek2:

[GSX-PKV]

Why not make a GSX based on the Camaro prototype only with an aluminum 455 or supercharged Buick V6? Maybe it could even have heated windshield washer fluid :) Paul

[alec296]

i see an idea for a new ertl gsx :TU:

[Brian Pryes]

I like that!!!!!!! :TU: GSX

[86Regal_Pearl]

I like both the buick concept (the 2007 the most). But I wanted to ask EVERYBODY, does the GTO really appeal to y'all? I noticed one on the road earlier this year, before then I didn't know they had come out w/ a new GTO. I've since noticed 2004 GTO so I know that I'm late on this. And when I noticed it, I liked that it was back, but its nothing appearance-wise that caught my eye, just looks like a rebadged chevy cavalier. I am very impressed w/ the engine, the stock speed, and the numbers it puts up, but am I alone in thinking this? Needless to say, I don't like the cavalier. The Hot Rodding rendering seems to have the most originality design-wise, but the 2007 gnX looks bada$$(the hood and grill I guess) even tho it looks close to the GTO platform towards the back. As far as the drivetrain, honestly, I'm younger than most of you so I fell in love w/ the mid to late 80's Regal's when there was no such thing as a factory big block, and I like the idea of buick retaining its own identity even if it means having an LS1/LS2 as long as, like the guy said b4, it shares nothing w/ a chevy but bore/stroke. BUT, I find nothing attractive or sexy about putting a muscle car engine in a TUNER car or RICER, whatever you wanna call 'em. Gimme something that I won't look like a (in the words of Tony Soprano) Douche Bag driving, something w/ testosterone. Fin.
E.P.

[86Regal_Pearl]

The "2007" rendering is unrealistic, being that they stopped production on that platform. The Zeta platform is tooling up in Australia and will start to put out the next generation rear wheel drive V8 cars.
What is the difference between the "2007" platform and the Zeta platform?


You will NOT see a GN or GNX name plate.
Why?

[86Regal_Pearl]

GM is in no condition to make a V-6 Turbo car EVER.
What do you mean?


28MPG, 400HP and RWD with the Buick Trishield......That would be the cat's a$$
I don't get it??? :Do No: the cat's a$$?

[Buick Power]

The "2007" rendering is on a platform that is discontinued, in Australia they have been using it for at least 10 years. The Zeta is it's replacement, which is GM's global platform.

GN stands for Grand National which is a Nascar race league. Buick no longer participates in it, so no GN GNX name in the future. Remember the IROC Camaro's?, same thing.

Right now GM doesn't have a program for doing a turbocharged engine on their design platforms. They are working more towards displacement on demand and are actually using more V8's in cars than in years.

cats a$$ = best thing since sliced bread

I like the GTO's the `05 and `06 styling is better, but the `04 is fine. More along the lines of European and not US Muscle look, plus it doesn't have the traditional cheap Pontiac plastic on the inside and outside, scoops, knobs, wings, etc. To someone that hasn't looked at them enough they look like a Cavalier, but they are actually 4000 lb Corvettes with a back seat.

[Fragzem]

GNX. No other name in automotive history says "80's Supercar" like those three letters. Now the legend is back.

Buicks 2007 GNX is a modern-day incarnation of classic street performance. When you turn the key and hear the throaty dual exhausts announcing the Twin Turbo 3.6L V-6, you'll know you have your hands full. Compared to its '80s namesake, the new GNX sports a suspension that is tighter, an engine that's more powerful and a manual transmission that now boasts two additional gears. The car will hit 60 mph (97 km/h) in about four-and-a-half seconds, and run the quarter mile in under 13 seconds. There's nothing like it in its class.

Total performance

The completely new GNX isn't just about horsepower, of course. Its unique personality includes impressive cornering abilities, a smooth ride and surprising comfort. But the heart of the GNX is indeed a truly awesome Twin Turbo and Intercooled 3.6l V-6 engine, also known as the base powerplant for the Buick Velite Concept. The GNX produces an estimated 450 horsepower and with 465 lb.-ft. of torque, it has no problem leaving a stop with purpose.

Eighteen-inch alloy wheels and performance tires are matched to a fully independent, performance-tuned suspension featuring direct-acting stabilizing bars and power rack-and-pinion steering. Traction control and a limited slip differentials also come standard. And, today's GNX revs through six forward speeds with the close-ratio manual transmission, or you can choose a six-speed Hydra-Matic. Both come with a 3.46:1 final drive ratio.

Performance-oriented interior

The GNX is, first and foremost, a driver's car. Every detail, from the satin-finish steering wheel to the race-inspired metallic pedals, gives the driver a sense of performance from the moment the car is entered. The standard feature list starts off with leather 2+2 bucket seats, in black -color-coordinated with the vehicle's exterior color. The high-tech seats provide lateral support, wrapping around the driver and front passenger and complementing the great handling characteristics of the chassis. Also standard is a six-disc CD-changer with premium 10-speaker sound system, cruise control, a multi-function driver information center, keyless entry system and a host of other features to enhance the driving experience.

Sensuous design

Rather than create an imitation of the original legend, the 2007 GNX provides a contemporary interpretation of the classic buick sports coupe. The distinctive, tautly stretched exterior, aggressive lowered stance and sleek, simple form all help express the clean, athletic styling direction of Buick. Add this to the obvious performance of the vehicle and you have a rear-wheel-drive TT+I V-6-powered premium sports coupe wrapped in a seamless, modern design.

Safety and quality

Bringing the GNX to a safe stop is accomplished through standard four-wheel disc brakes (ventilated front, solid rear), part of a four-channel anti-lock braking system. Other standard safety features include dual front air bags, three-point safety belts for all occupants and an Emergency Mode that automatically shuts down the engine, turns off the fuel pump, unlocks the doors and turns on the dome light any time the air-bag system is deployed.

Production of the 2007 Buick GNX will begin in September 2006 at Holden's award-winning Elizabeth plant in Australia using the latest techniques to ensure both measurable and "perceived" quality. Projected annual production will be 18,000 vehicles.

General Information
Price: $38,500
Miles Per Gallon: 17/25 mpg
Curb Weight: 3698 lbs
Layout: Front-Engine/AWD
Transmission: 6-Speed Manual

Engine
Type: DOHC V6
Displacement: 3600 cc
Horsepower: 450 bhp @ 5200 rpm
Torque: 465 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm
Redline: 6500 rpm

Performance
0-60 mph: 4.2 sec
0-100 mph: 10.2 sec
Quarter Mile: 12.8 sec @ 112.5 mph
Skidpad: .96g
Top Speed: 179 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 115 ft
Slalom Speed: 66.4 mph

[Kerry s.]

I HIGHLY DOUBT that the powers-that-be at GM will allow another Buick to be built that could possibly embarrass the Corvette AGAIN. GM allowing "history to repeat itself" in this manner.....VERY, EXTREMELY, HIGHLY UNLIKELY!!

Cranks
Hard,
Every
Valve
Rattles,
Oil
Leaks
Every
Time(!)....

....whined and whined to the GM brass about their "second to Cadillac", luxury division, Buick's GN dominating all of GM's offerings (let alone the GNX which put a hard smack-down on a the custom twin-turbo Callaway 'Vette when challenged in one of the top influential car mag's!!). :laugh:

Jim Wangers, of (original) Pontiac GTO advertising fame, was quoted as saying that letting Buick build the GN/GNX's was a HUGE mistake....they should have wore the Pontiac name badge---according to him and that GM really missed the boat on true sales!:rolleyes:

Buick building ANYTHING new of true importance to the performance market, well....I'll believe it when I see it! :rolleyes: PLEASE don't hold your breath... cause you'll DIE!


:laugh: Oh....did I mention...I DESPISE SHIVVIES?!?!? :laugh:

[steve covington]

C H E V R O L E T
Could
Have
Every
Vehicle
Recalled
Or
Left
En (the name, chevrolet, IS french)
Trash
i had more trouble out of my 2000 s10 than every other vehicle i've owned, all together. and i've always been a GM owner.

[PILOT]

Wow, you guys are die hard Buick aren't ya? Have to give Chevy some credit, at the very least...

[Leviathan]

...if the GNX was resurrected with the pics shown I'd be all over it. :TU:

Frankly the Buick name night now translates to "old person" so it'll never happen. They'll slap a Chev YoungFire sticker on it and it'll go out.

[Rusty]

...if the GNX was resurrected with the pics shown I'd be all over it. :TU:

Frankly the Buick name night now translates to "old person" so it'll never happen. They'll slap a Chev YoungFire sticker on it and it'll go out.

That's what bugs me the most, since the end of the G body for Buick in 87', Buick has done nothing exciting, and has only made cars for the Jerry Atricks.
Now their name is so synonymous with "Old Man Cars" now I think they've really hurt themselves for drawing a younger crowd, even us 40ish year olds. But, only us old fans of the earlier buicks would be their only chance of getting us on board again.

I would love to see them make something exciting, but I fear they'll screw it up just like GM did the GTO. The new GTO (already now discontinued) was an amazing car, great performer etc. But they should have badged that car the replacement for the Gran Prix, so there was no conflictual expectations for sales, and from all the enthusiasts. They could have brought that Manaro from GM's Austrial car which is what it is, and I think it would have had better baseline sales as the Gran Prix, then actually brought out a car with some familiarity to a classic GTO as the new GTO. I think that's why the GTO's moved so little while the Mustang has flown off the shelves in sales.

Like so many of you have said we won't see seperate engine developments anymore, that's long gone, it's all GM decision making now, I think the divisions have little say in design, they just rebadge and have a little facia difference across the divisions like they did in the 80's, but now the drive trains will all be the same.

Which I don't really care, that's fine with me, and I know since Buick is not in any racing anymore and we won't likely see them use the name "Gran National" or GNX again, they definately could use Gran Sport again, and have an exciting creation like some of those pictures I see below would spark some interests again in Buick from someone not on Geritol. I'd love it, but I want it rear wheel, or all wheel drive. Front wheel drive is something I could care less about when considering something of a sport nature or enthusiats nature.

[Leviathan]

^^^^^^^^^ Bingo.

On the whole GM has lost its product focus. The Aussies have done great things with the brand name (including originating the GTO but with a better engine) and yet the NA market churns out poorly designed and uninspired cars. the Solstice is a day late and a dollar short, the trucks have gone plasticy, Cadillac is "joke" name now, and the Corvette has lost its lustre as the common mans sports car. All while the Chrysler 300 and "Nostaliga" cars like the new Mustang, prove that people will pay for a fun car!

Bean counters doth not a car company make.

Thinking about it this morning GM would actually do well to blow the doors off the market by releasing a solid performing and nostalgia driven GNX/GTO/Malibu...break up the current thoughts about GM and really change the mindsets about their products.

Sadly it's on the porcine ascension program - we'll get a performance Buick when pigs fly....

[SpinLark]

Buick could come out with a new sports car, but just put a different name on it. Grand " ". There was the Gran Sport and the Grand National and now Grand " ". Then they don't have to worry as much as living up to the Grand National name and change the car so it could actually be made. my .02 cents

[Leviathan]

...given the current market trend the only one they would use is "Pa"

[lilstg1]

Honestly, what does it REALLY share with the original SBC??:Do No:

either rod bearings or main bearings i can't remember which one's, but that's it

[alec296]

either rod bearings or main bearings i can't remember which one's, but that's it

that and the bowtie

[steve covington]

...given the current market trend the only one they would use is "Pa"
"GRAND PA" how cruel.

[jlnel]

...given the current market trend the only one they would use is "Pa"

:Dou: :beer

[Leviathan]

"GRAND PA" how cruel.

...cruel indeed that Buick has let thier products slip from "Fast with Class", the pride of the GM lineup to the "Last car before you die" image.

That new GNX that was photoshopped would sure clean up the line!