Lets Decode a P-O-P and Body Tag on a `67 GS

[staged67gspwr]

Attached is a pic of my protecto plate of my `67 GS i just picked up
lets decode it.

[staged67gspwr]

And the Body tag reads

04C

ST-67-44617FL1 217593 BODY
TR-193-B A-A PAINT
2LF
5K

[staged67gspwr]

On the P-O-P i dont understand what the LJ and the N means?
also why where the engine code is suppost to be theres a B409 rather than the NR code? and also on the trans code,what does the HE mean??its confusing me?


Thanks

[wkillgs]

Here's an option code sheet for '67. It was posted on the board in the past. Sorry I don't know who to credit for it.

2L is 4 speed
2F is short console
5K is door edge guards

[wkillgs]

Look thru your '67 Service Bulletin book...it might give you a decoder for the P-O-P. Here is the one for 66.
'65 only used one letter for engine ID on the POP....so a 'LR' engine would be shown as 'R' followed by the 3-digit production code. Maybe '67 did it the same way?, and whoever stamped the plate picked up a 'B' instead of a 'R'?? That would explain it. See if you have a '409' stamped on your engine.

The tranny production code should be stamped on the trans as well....see '67 Chassis book for location.
Also look in your Service Bulletin book for the gear ratio chart....they might have trans code ID there too.

Here's the '66 POP decoder:
http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=37042

[RG67BEAST]

Here's a pic of my POP. It has the same HEP code. The muncie has the standard shifter....Ray

[staged67gspwr]

Look thru your '67 Service Bulletin book...it might give you a decoder for the P-O-P. Here is the one for 66.
'65 only used one letter for engine ID on the POP....so a 'LR' engine would be shown as 'R' followed by the 3-digit production code. Maybe '67 did it the same way?, and whoever stamped the plate picked up a 'B' instead of a 'R'?? That would explain it. See if you have a '409' stamped on your engine.

The tranny production code should be stamped on the trans as well....see '67 Chassis book for location.
Also look in your Service Bulletin book for the gear ratio chart....they might have trans code ID there too.

Here's the '66 POP decoder:
http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=37042




Walt,which book is the service bulletin book?the chassis service manual?the other thing i dont understand is what does the "LJ" and the "N" mean?

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[jcamp116]

Nice find George. That pealized yellow interior must really pop with the black paint. Sorry I can't help with the POP...from the data plate, looks like a low optioned car ready for the dragstrip...:Brow:

I am sure you already posted pics somewhere here before, I haven't been around for a while, where are they, or can you post some? Would love to see it.

Cheers,

[staged67gspwr]

Jarrod no problem dude.here`s the link


http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=27986


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[Rivman]

On the P-O-P i dont understand what the LJ and the N means?
also why where the engine code is suppost to be theres a B409 rather than the NR code? and also on the trans code,what does the HE mean??its confusing me?


Thanks

Just showing RG67BEAST P-O-P info order:
left side -
Body Trim - 193, Paint Code - T7
Engine Production Code No. - NR 211
Transmission Prod. Code No. - HEP 7914
right side -
Vehicle ID No. - 446677K111162
Axle Code - OR, Month Built Code - 7
Options - (4 is Sonomatic Radio, 8 Power Steering)

LJ is the axle code, N is the month built code ? - . . . confused on the rest too !

. . . sorry I can't decode '67s, only have info for '68 vehicles, but hopefully this may help ? :TU:

[staged67gspwr]

Just showing RG67BEAST P-O-P info order:
left side -
Body Trim - 193, Paint Code - T7
Engine Production Code No. - NR 211
Transmission Prod. Code No. - HEP 7914
right side -
Vehicle ID No. - 446677K111162
Axle Code - OR, Month Built Code - 7
Options - (4 is Sonomatic Radio, 8 Power Steering)

LJ is the axle code, N is the month built code ? - . . . confused on the rest too !

. . . sorry I can't decode '67s, only have info for '68 vehicles, but hopefully this may help ? :TU:



:Do No: :Do No:

[staged67gspwr]

Are you sure the LJ code is the rear end code?that code turns up as a 3.36 non posi rear mine is a posi rear still has the tag on it too?:Do No:

[RG67BEAST]

Are you sure the LJ code is the rear end code?that code turns up as a 3.36 non posi rear mine is a posi rear still has the tag on it too?:Do No:
George my car has posi. also. A non. posi 3.36 rearend will have LJ code 44600 series.
A LN code is a posi. 2.78 for the Special and Skylarks series.
I found the codes N 35 and LX with another X in a circle on mine. LX is posi. 3.36 for the 4600 series.
Also the tranni#s match the POP as does the engine.
Ray

[wkillgs]

x in a circle I was told is a code for a posi.
The '66 4 speed car I bought from George had a 3.36 open rear.....and significantly less tread on the right rear tire.:pp

[staged67gspwr]

x in a circle I was told is a code for a posi.
The '66 4 speed car I bought from George had a 3.36 open rear.....and significantly less tread on the right rear tire.:pp



lololol

[Rivman]

Are you sure the LJ code is the rear end code?that code turns up as a 3.36 non posi rear mine is a posi rear still has the tag on it too?:Do No:

Info I have posted is from a '68 Service Policies and Procedures for Buick Dealers - page 119, issued December '67. (RO/AFA Form Features) They show a breakdown for P-O-P plate info '65 - '68. (They also indicate that axle code is '68 only ?)

. . . just trying to help you decipher your P-O-P ? :Do No: :TU:

[staged67gspwr]

Info I have posted is from a '68 Service Policies and Procedures for Buick Dealers - page 119, issued December '67. (RO/AFA Form Features)
They show a breakdown for P-O-P plate info '65 - '68.
(They also indicate that axle code is '68 only ?)

. . . just trying to help you decipher your P-O-P ? :Do No: :TU:


ok so that makes sense on the rear,i really appreciate the help.:TU:

[staged67gspwr]

Well here`s the latest info of what this all means,


B409 = Engine build date
B = Feb.
409 = 13th.
GM engines I was told were built on a 2 yr cycle.
B409 = Feb. 13, 1967

HEP7D20 = Muncie April 20, 1967

N = April


Now if we could find out what the "LJ"code means we`d be in business.


Thanks

[thepartsman]

LJ is in the position 4 on the P-O-P tag
Position 4 is the axle code.
LJ = Std. axle 3.36 on 4600 series.

N is in the 5 position on the tag.
position 5 is the Month Built Code.
1967 N = April.

[staged67gspwr]

Thats very weird because mine is a Posi?:Do No:

Thanks

[Rivman]

Right or wrong, at least the P-O-P info is decoded ! :Dou: :TU:

[staged67gspwr]

Right or wrong, at least the P-O-P info is decoded ! :Dou: :TU:

True!

[RG67BEAST]

Thats very weird because mine is a Posi?:Do No:

George does your rear axle housing have the LX code?
If it does it would be strange two 67GS 4 speeds have the 3.36 posi and have the LJ code in the POP.
Ray

[staged67gspwr]

George does your rear axle housing have the LX code?
If it does it would be strange two 67GS 4 speeds have the 3.36 posi and have the LJ code in the POP.
Ray



Ray,i havent checked but i will and let you know,i`d have to call my buddy to check for me because the car is at his place which is 3 1/2 hours from me.


Thanks

[staged67gspwr]

pic of the rear,yea i know its orange the original owner said he paint it years ago.