64 trim tag decoded ?

[64G-lark]

Can anyone here help decode or tell me where I might go to get a 64 Skylark trim tag decoded ? This is the tag from the fire wall. I am courious to know what Trim 158 is and ACC. W-2P-4FU

Is there anything on these cars or tags that identify interior color, seat styles, engine, and trans.?

Thanks for any help.

[flynbuick]

tr 158 = Black vinyl bucket seats

1W = soft ray tinted glass

2P =

4F = remote contol outside mirror

4U =

[64G-lark]

Thanks Jim.

Is there anyway to tell if the car was orginally 355 or 310 wildcat and the trans type?

The car still has the options you decoded although I thought the seats might not have been orginally black.

Anyone know the 2P and 4U ?

[flynbuick]

I am wondering if 2 P was a column shift 3 speed. Group 2 L is the 4 speed code and 2 B was a floor shift 3 speed. It is neither. 2X was a 2 speed auto. Any chance it has a 3 speed manual on the column?

What is the model code on the cowl tag?

[64G-lark]

Jim, The car is a 300ST 2spd. automatic. Nothing to indicate the car was ever a 3spd. Heres the rest of the tag.

11B Flint Michigan
Style 64-4337 FB2340 Body
Trim 158 CC Paint
ACC. W-2P-4FU

Thanks

[flynbuick]

Since generally Group 2 has something to do with the type of trans or console etc, my suspicion is that 2P for the 64 model year must have been the code for the ST300 2 speed trans.

The only reference I have to the 4 U code was for the 65 model year and it was a spare tire lock. Since 64 and 65 codes appear to have the potential to have been different it is just a consideration. Any chance your car has such an odd option?

I show your model could have been either a 310 or a 355. So I would check the 2 letter code. I KL was a 310 and a KP was a 355.

It could be the 2P code ws given in 64 because there was something different about the trans that year. I think 64 was a one year only trans for the 400 series. I do not know if there was also something unquie about a 64 300 series 2 speed.

[marxjunk]

2P is the radio option, like a deluxe am radio, in 64 there is a manual radio, and a push button "automatic", not a wonder bar just a push button AM

4U is a mirror option, like a day nite rear view mirror or an optional visor mirror

marxjunk

[flynbuick]

"2P is the radio option, like a deluxe am radio, in 64 there is a manual radio, and a push button "automatic", not a wonder bar just a push button AM"


That could be because I know 2T is a power antenna so it fits in with other Group 2 accessories.



"4U is a mirror option, like a day nite rear view mirror or an optional visor mirror"


I would be puzzled if you are correct about this one. Group 4 items generally relate to accessories on the outside of the vehicle like moldings and outside mirrors.

[marxjunk]

64 is strange, and things that work for 65 up dont always decode the same for 64, and you could be right on the outside option, at first i thought it was for deluxe rocker trim, but some paper work i have from GM it says mirror option, since its clear the car has a remote driver, it could be an optional passenger side mirror or the day nite or deluxe rearview...just an opinion.........i know the radio option is correct.
marxjunk

[64G-lark]

The car still has a AM pushbutton radio. It does not have a power antenna but it is spring loaded, retractable and the base part on the fender is a chrome enlongated looking base. It does have a drivers remote mirror and a matching mirror on the passenger side but not remote operated. I have had people ask me why I didnt have the cable and control for the passenger side.
Other options the car has are ironing board style console, under dash lighting, trunk light, padded dash and it orginally had WOM but a previous owner kept them. Try to find replacments.

It doesnt have any special mirrors on the inside that I can tell. No lock on the spare at least not anymore.
Where would I find the KL or KP codes?
Thanks to both of you for the help. Sounds like no one has collected alot of info on the 64 cars?

[marxjunk]

then thats it, 4u is a passenger mirror............and theres alot of info on 64s collected, some is just fuzzy....

[flynbuick]

I pretty sure they never made a passenger remote mirror. If it has a passenger side mirror that matches then I would suspect

4U= passenger side mirror.

[flynbuick]

Where would I find the KL or KP codes?



http://buicks.net/shop/reference/engine_ident_where.html


Many of the accessory codes for many year models are uncertain or totally unknown.

[64G-lark]

I cant see any letters right off. I will have to scrape some paint and grime and see if I can find anything. Outside of the stamping on the blocks, am I correct in saying there is nothing else on the trim tag or VIN that identifies the engine and trans like the later cars?

Marxjunk
Are there any websites or places you can direct me that would have info. on 64's?

[flynbuick]

Your model could have come with either engine. When you say "like later cars" even for example in 71 you cannot tell from the cowl tag whether a car was a GS 350 or a GS 455. The numbers were the same.

[Topless64-455]

Your mirror would only be a remote on the drivers side. I have not seen and do not believe mirrors were installed on the passenger side in 64 or 65. Some people would put the standard Buick mirror there because it fits. I am going to install just the standard mirror on my car because I dont want to ask that same question you get.

You can only tell if you car had a v8 or a v6 but not if it was the 4bbl 355 engine without checking the code on the engine.

You can check the steering column to see if it was a 3 on the tree because it will have 2 levers off the column instead of 1 for the auto. There was not floor shift auto in 64.

[marxjunk]

Acroos the 64 line passenger mirrors, non-remote, where available, it was an option and is very rare, look at his avatar,it shows it and he states it looks like his drivers mirror, but is manual. I went through some more info i have and it supports the 4U as a passenger mirror.
I looked at a 65 GS conv today, a really really rusty car,it shows the code as well, and the mirror is still on the car. it looks like a remote mirror, but its defintely manual.
The 65 i looked at today is a small badge car,(first run/early cr) and has a line of some of the most bizarre codes ive ever seen. Even the plant code is screwey....

[flynbuick]

There is a mirror with a part number for 61 - 67 models listed "as required".

Group 10.185

[Wildcat GS]

The 2P Fisher code is for back-up lights. The 4U Fisher code is for "exterior molding" (4647, 67, 69, 4337, 67, 69) Dont know which molding but probably bright beltline or window surround.
The remote mirror code is 4F. 4 speed trans is 2L and automatic is 2Z. There is no specific radio code because Fisher was not responsible for installing the radio. That was done by Buick (at least in `64). However, there is a code for the rear seat speaker, 2R, which was Fisher`s responsibility. Hope this helps,
Tom Mooney

[Wildcat GS]

Woops, almost forgot....the "W" code is for tinted windshield only. The rest of the glass should be clear.
Tom Mooney

[Topless64-455]

My 64 Skylark convertible has

06A build date June 1st week
Trim 164 should be White Bucket seat
Paint HH 1 Light Blue with White convertible top

W- Tinted Windshield

2P 3 speed column because: I believe this because my car was a 3 speed on the column car that somebody made into a floor shift car. It had a cheesy boxy generic floor shifter but the bucket seat brackets were in the old cut up floor. The steering column had the levers under the hood for a 3 speed column shift and different auto brake pedal installed.

4U- Belt molding/Window: I did not have a passenger mirror but does have the stainless on top of the doors and rear 1/4 window.

5Z ?

My car has the wheel moldings and the push button AM radio.

[marxjunk]

The 2P Fisher code is for back-up lights. The 4U Fisher code is for "exterior molding" (4647, 67, 69, 4337, 67, 69) Dont know which molding but probably bright beltline or window surround.
The remote mirror code is 4F. 4 speed trans is 2L and automatic is 2Z. There is no specific radio code because Fisher was not responsible for installing the radio. That was done by Buick (at least in `64). However, there is a code for the rear seat speaker, 2R, which was Fisher`s responsibility. Hope this helps,
Tom Mooney

Well, i dont know, there is always conflicting info, i've got some info that says there is radio code info on the fisher tag,in 64, cuz theres an antenna hole on the car, so its an assembly thing, no radio, no hole....and speakers must be installed either in the dash, or rear package tray, so line workers need the info for the wire harness, and attatchment hardware.
The 65 GS i looked at in Knoxville KY today had and the same code,and it had a mirror i've never seen it anyother time except on a 64 gto with a pass mirror....same code, and i had a PHS document that says it was a factory pass mirror car.
but hey, just an opinion...
NEEDS more investigation.....i'v been wrong more times than right....lol:Do No:

[64G-lark]

Is there a place or can a sticky be made to compile the different codes and what they are? It would be nice to have a go to place for each year so other members can tell what they have. Any member that has a car with known codes could add to the list. I know there is still some confusion but it sure is interesting info. Thanks to all of you.

[Wildcat GS]

Hi Ed,
Your 5Z code is a seat belt code.
Tom Mooney

[Topless64-455]

Hi Ed,
Your 5Z code is a seat belt code.
Tom Mooney

Thanks Tom! Does that mean it came with them as they were an option or that they were deluxe seat belts.

[64G-lark]

Forgot my car has seat belts as well. How did they decide what options were put on the tag versus which ones were not? Seems odd.

[flynbuick]

It depended on whether the option required a modification at the Fisher body plant.