V-8 Model Kit

[65electra401]

Has anyone ever seen this/ built this before? I've been thinking about purchasing it.

-Jason

[carsfeb]

Havent seen one in years put one together many years ago check hobby stores or swap meets:grin:

[65electra401]

HAHA! IM SO DUMB! I totally forgot to post the link to the item. :Dou: :Dou: :Dou:

I went ahead and bought it anyway. :)

-Jason

http://www.discoverthis.com/visible-v8.html

[carsfeb]

Thats cool the ones from my day were battery power but like kids say thats when dinosoars still roamed:Brow:

[65electra401]

they had a battery one but only in 4 cyl

[Electrajim]

I did a see-thru Wankle engine many years ago.

About that engine,
I'd buy one, and another for a youth, wanting to get into the auto hobby.

I wish there were Buick engines like that..

Have you seen what the modern "ant farm" looks like? LOL
http://www.discoverthis.com/ant-works.html

ElectraJim

[65electra401]

Have you seen what the modern "ant farm" looks like? LOL
http://www.discoverthis.com/ant-works.html

ElectraJim

WOW! Seems to be a little flashy for an ant farm... And i really wanted to try and find a motor that would actually run but i guess the closest thing to that would be like a little gas engine for a model car or plane.

Does anyone know if you can buy real running engines that come completely apart that you can assemble yourself?

-jason

[70sLark]

Would be neat if they could run. Dunno why they don't have any small scale running V8s.


You could start with a new $150 small 3.5 briggs.

It does help to take them apart yourself then reassemble and make it run.

Then get a OHV Vtwin riding mower and you got valve adjusting and electrical systems in a small package.

Then ya buy project Buick ;)

[70sLark]

To really spice it up once the 3.5 is mastered you go up to simple metal fab and bending by building a mini bike.

After the mower is done you build a go-kart with it, which is moderate bending and fab with the steering geometry.

A whole car to disassemble then put back is its own reward.

[Dale]

I built one of those as a kid, but it was battery powered, and the spark plugs would light up in the correct firing order.
I don't understand why they changed it to a hand crank?
That's kind of lame. :puzzled:

[cstanley-gs]

Here is a mini V8
http://www.conleyprecision.com/609.htm
http://www.conleyprecision.com/IMG_7546.JPG

Prices start at $5,295.00

videos on this page http://www.conleyprecision.com/online_videos.htm

[DaWildcat]

I remember seeing those in Hot Rod magazine back in the late '80's. Too cool!

Devon

[cstanley-gs]

Here is a mini V8
http://www.conleyprecision.com/609.htm
Prices start at $5,295.00

videos on this page http://www.conleyprecision.com/online_videos.htm

And just for some reading...here's the largest - no kit available :puzzled:
http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/
Total displacement - 1,556,002 cubic inches
108,920 hp at 102 rpm

[DaWildcat]

And just for some reading...here's the largest - no kit available :puzzled:
http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/
Total displacement - 1,556,002 cubic inches
108,920 hp at 102 rpm

I wanna see what the starter motor looks like!

Devon

[cstanley-gs]

I just saw that Conley also sells a 1/43 scale car!!
$13k

http://www.conleyprecision.com/cars.htm


They also had a Cobra thats not listed on the site any more.
Its a must watch video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fip-wLPsbE0

[65electra401]

Haha, i have about 5 of those briggs and strattons sitting around in my shed. I've had them apart before. :) And its funny you mention making a go kart out of a lawnmower.... my brother made a go cart out of a 1979 cub cadet lawn mower.

Here's a link to the beast!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2b-CI-8lVE

It's kind of funny...

-Jason

[70sLark]

Haha, i have about 5 of those briggs and strattons sitting around in my shed. I've had them apart before. :) And its funny you mention making a go kart out of a lawnmower.... my brother made a go cart out of a 1979 cub cadet lawn mower.

Here's a link to the beast!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2b-CI-8lVE

It's kind of funny...

-Jason

It is funny as I built one out of the same mower.
Though I have yet to really ride it.
Tried getting it going again this year but a broken flywheel key and random lose of spark ruined it.

I have a newer full sized cub Im going to take a shot at.

http://viragotech.com/racinmower/rm.html

[65electra401]

I didnt get a chance to check out that link yet, but i will for sure! yeah, our car is now in the back yard being overgrown. It has been a while since we've had it running and last time we went to start it, it needed a new float because the old float bowl got water in it and froze and crushed the float. Then the tranny siezed up. It was a 3 spd manual.

Notice our throttle... Its just a piece of wire attached to the throttle on the carb. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

It has no breaks either... Its a very dangerous cart. It has been up to, i believe, 47 mph. It is NOT stable at those speeds. haha.

-Jason

[65electra401]

btw... it has a 12.5 horse briggs and stratton on it. My brother rebuilt it himself.

-Jason

[70sLark]

I didnt get a chance to check out that link yet, but i will for sure!

-Jason

This was just a stock 5hp but on my first attempt the seat fell off and nearly ripped my arm off as I didn't want it ghosting riding at 30MPH.

His vid post mention of a sprocket change is probably the ticket as I went nuts and flipped the ratio to 1:3 every 1 turn of the crank, the trans turns 3 times. On the 2nd attempt I broke the stock 8 tooth sprocket in half.

If I had gotten it running I had planned to afix a gokart clutch with a bigger sprocket with a band brake for brakes. Then just put some straight bars with motobike like controls for gas n brake.

[buick64203]

Just a quick history lesson on the old Visible V-8-

The kit was originally made by a company called Renwal out of Mineola NY. It came out in the early 60's. Renwal also made a Visible Chassis that accepted the V-8. The Visible Chassis kit has working brakes that use water instead of brake fluid. The manual transmission and rear differential were clear as well and functioned just like the real thing. Even the steering box was visible. The chassis when built was over 3 feet long. Renwal sold their visible kits to Revell when they closed. Revell has re released all the visible kits except for the chassis.

I have a complete mint unbuilt Renwal chassis kit and the original Renwal V-8 kit if anyone is interested.

[73-462GS]

I did one when I was about 10 or 12 and I am 62 now. Mike D.

[Dale]

Just a quick history lesson on the old Visible V-8-

The kit was originally made by a company called Renwal out of Mineola NY. It came out in the early 60's. Renwal also made a Visible Chassis that accepted the V-8. The Visible Chassis kit has working brakes that use water instead of brake fluid. The manual transmission and rear differential were clear as well and functioned just like the real thing. Even the steering box was visible. The chassis when built was over 3 feet long. Renwal sold their visible kits to Revell when they closed. Revell has re released all the visible kits except for the chassis.

I have a complete mint unbuilt Renwal chassis kit and the original Renwal V-8 kit if anyone is interested.

:shock: Sweet!

That's right! There was a chassis that went along with it! I remember wanting it real badly as a kid to go along with the engine model! :pray:

:TU:

[buick64203]

I'll post a picture of the one I have

[Dale]

They could have taken it all the way and had a visible car body.
And then you could put the visible man and woman in it.

:laugh:

[cstanley-gs]

I have a complete mint unbuilt Renwal chassis kit and the original Renwal V-8 kit if anyone is interested.

I may know someone who could be interested....whats your price?

[buick64203]

Here is the original issue V-8 kit and the chassis kit. Check out dad with the pipe! I love the artwork on the older kits. I wonder how much second hand smoke junior inhaled? The chassis kits are very hard to find in unbuilt condition. Most of the time you find them either built or partially built. If anyone is seriously interested, I'll take $1000 for the pair. Ive had the chassis kit for a long time. Its one of the best ones Ive ever seen. Its complete and inventoried. Comes with all the original paperwork. I consider this kit the Holy Grail of model kits. I almost hate to let it go because I'll probalby never have another.


http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr188/mr-trishield/v8.jpg

http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr188/mr-trishield/chassis.jpg

[Dale]

Here is the original issue V-8 kit and the chassis kit. Check out dad with the pipe! I love the artwork on the older kits. I wonder how much second hand smoke junior inhaled? The chassis kits are very hard to find in unbuilt condition. Most of the time you find them either built or partially built. If anyone is seriously interested, I'll take $1000 for the pair. Ive had the chassis kit for a long time. Its one of the best ones Ive ever seen. Its complete and inventoried. Comes with all the original paperwork. I consider this kit the Holy Grail of model kits. I almost hate to let it go because I'll probalby never have another.

My 'ol man always had a pipe hanging out of his mouth. Maybe that's why I...oh, never mind, that was another thread.

That is just too cool.
I'm not so sure I would be able to part with them either. How can you resist not building them? I'd be torn.

:TU:

[cstanley-gs]

I'll take $1000 for the pair.

Wow...too much for me... but I think if you advertised you'd get it.

There are chassis kits alone on ebay for $750, and they are not mint. They have parts in zip lock bags. No V8 included either.

[buick64203]

Another visible kit you guys should check out is the "Visible Mustang". It was a visible P-51 fighter plane. It had working motorized landing gear and propeller. I have an original and two of the 50th anniversary kits. I put one together with my dad when I wa a kid.

The P-51 kit is readily available on Ebay. They always have several up at any given time.

[SportWagonGS]

Thats cool the ones from my day were battery power but like kids say thats when dinosoars still roamed:Brow:

And the spark plugs were little light bulbs that flashed in the correct firing order. I have the viable rotary engine, battery powered with flashing "spark Plugs"

[65electra401]

This was just a stock 5hp but on my first attempt the seat fell off and nearly ripped my arm off as I didn't want it ghosting riding at 30MPH.

His vid post mention of a sprocket change is probably the ticket as I went nuts and flipped the ratio to 1:3 every 1 turn of the crank, the trans turns 3 times. On the 2nd attempt I broke the stock 8 tooth sprocket in half.

If I had gotten it running I had planned to afix a gokart clutch with a bigger sprocket with a band brake for brakes. Then just put some straight bars with motobike like controls for gas n brake.

i thought my brother used a pulley on something... Maybe it was from the motor to trans. I think the motor has a belt connecting to the trans and the trans only has a chain from the output shaft to the rear axle. My brother stole the pulley off of my dads old table saw since it was extremely small and used that in place of the original. It made it fly! :3gears: although it ate through the belts really fast. :rolleyes:

-Jason

[65electra401]

but as for the visible v8...

I've been thinking. I have been pondering getting one of those small electric motors and hooking it up to the output shaft of the tranny where the hand crank is. Do you guys think it would turn that motor too fast though and hurt it? I dont want to get it together and end up having it break! haha.

But i just feel like it would be really cool to have it run "on its own". They had the 4 cyl version which comes standard running on batteries and it also lights up in the correct firing order, but i REALLY wanted the v8. And it is nice to see that the v8 is still carboureted rather than fuel injected! :laugh:

-Jason

[jamyers]

The original ones that were battery powered ran by a motor in the starter housing that turned the flywheel, iirc

Regarding the Brigg-Stratton 3hp approach, that's what I did with Dad's lawnmower. Unfortunately, I neglected to get prior approval for that particluar project - and even though it ran just fine once I got it back together, I still got in trouble. Dads can be just SO picky...

[65electra401]

The original ones that were battery powered ran by a motor in the starter housing that turned the flywheel, iirc

Regarding the Brigg-Stratton 3hp approach, that's what I did with Dad's lawnmower. Unfortunately, I neglected to get prior approval for that particluar project - and even though it ran just fine once I got it back together, I still got in trouble. Dads can be just SO picky...

HAHAHA!!! That is so hilarious! My dad is the exact same way! hahaha. Both my brothers and i are really into cars and stuff and my dad doesnt know the first thing about them. It's funny how that works out...

And i figured i wouldnt be able to make it work like the original thats why i figured id get one of those small electric motors. The only thing is that i feel like it might break if i try and run it that fast being as the parts are plastic. well im assuming they are all plastic anyway.

-Jason

[70sLark]

Plastic does friction weld easy ;)

[RAMKAT2]

If you recall, Hot Rod magazine (or maybe it was Car Craft) did an April fools article several years ago about a new top secret plastic V8 engine which turned out to be the visible V8. They made it look like it actually ran for awhile, at least in the photo's, but it ended when the combustion heat took over and burned it to the ground.
One of those "so stupid it's kinda funny" stories.

[65electra401]

This model is taking forever to come in the mail... I ordered it on monday and it still hasnt come in yet. I'm real excited to put it together. I will post pics of it when i am done, and while in the process of being built. It does stink though that it has to be manually turned... Its just not as fun if you have to do it yourself. Then you cant sit there for hours gazing at the moving parts. :laugh:

-Jason

They should make a real visible v8... made out of glass. :laugh:

[65electra401]

His vid post mention of a sprocket change is probably the ticket as I went nuts and flipped the ratio to 1:3 every 1 turn of the crank, the trans turns 3 times. On the 2nd attempt I broke the stock 8 tooth sprocket in half.


Scott (LDPOSSE on v8buick), my brother, said that is how he broke his original 8 tooth sprocket too, but his ratio was closer to 1:2.

I just showed him the article here and he said he'll have to post on this thread. And he's going to upload some pics of the current state of our cart too.

-Jason

[jamyers]

...It does stink though that it has to be manually turned... Its just not as fun if you have to do it yourself. Then you cant sit there for hours gazing at the moving parts. :laugh:
...

But you can run it forwards and backwards...looking on the bright side. :laugh:

[70sLark]

If it turned slow enough it should be ok.

[jeff0547]

I did one when I was about 10 or 12 and I am 62 now. Mike D.

I was 13 and I'm now 61. The kit is long gone.

(I wonder what happened to the last 48 years?):Do No: :laugh:

[jeff0547]

Jason, that pipe is not lit.

Anybody ever build the visible Man or Woman? You could even build the woman pregnant, and they even provided a baby!! :shock:

So, you could build a Visible Chassis with a Visible V-8 and a Visible Man with a Visible Woman and a Visible unborn child. :laugh: :Do No:

[buick64203]

You forgot the visible horse when the visible v8 throws a plastic rod through the clear bock.

[Turbo455]

I was thinking about getting one of these see threw engine kits for my 10 year old boy for his birthday. He is always asking questions about how this or that works on the engine. What do you guys think, is this a good learning tool or is it just another model?

[65electra401]

I (still :confused: ) didnt get mine in the mail and i ordered it last monday... I do think, however, without having built it yet, that it would be a great learning experience. My brother actually built one with my dad when he wasl like 8. The kit is over 300 pieces! So that should tell you its pretty detailed. And everything moves, down to the valves.

-Jason

[Dale]

I was thinking about getting one of these see threw engine kits for my 10 year old boy for his birthday. He is always asking questions about how this or that works on the engine. What do you guys think, is this a good learning tool or is it just another model?

It's absolutely a great learning tool! :Smarty:
I was 10 or 11 when I built mine.

[markwoo1969]

Do you still have the V8 and the chasis for sale?

-MarkW



Just a quick history lesson on the old Visible V-8-

The kit was originally made by a company called Renwal out of Mineola NY. It came out in the early 60's. Renwal also made a Visible Chassis that accepted the V-8. The Visible Chassis kit has working brakes that use water instead of brake fluid. The manual transmission and rear differential were clear as well and functioned just like the real thing. Even the steering box was visible. The chassis when built was over 3 feet long. Renwal sold their visible kits to Revell when they closed. Revell has re released all the visible kits except for the chassis.

I have a complete mint unbuilt Renwal chassis kit and the original Renwal V-8 kit if anyone is interested.

[buick64203]

Do you still have the V8 and the chasis for sale?

-MarkW

Yes I do.

[buick64203]

I have an adjustable DC power supply. It goes from 0-30 volts DC. It would be interesting to do a few "pulls" with the visible V-8. Keep increasing the rpm/ volts on each successive pull.

Maybe even do a high RPM durability test. Run it at high RPM till it fails! Then do a teardown to see what broke.

Do you guys think it would make it to 30 volts? :laugh:

[65electra401]

I have an adjustable DC power supply. It goes from 0-30 volts DC. It would be interesting to do a few "pulls" with the visible V-8. Keep increasing the rpm/ volts on each successive pull.

Maybe even do a high RPM durability test. Run it at high RPM till it fails! Then do a teardown to see what broke.

Do you guys think it would make it to 30 volts? :laugh:

I think that would be a fun experiment... If you had an extra 50 bucks and a few hours of time to build a separate visible v8 just to destroy. :laugh:

Jason

[65electra401]

The model finally came in today! I'm so excited to start putting it together!

[65electra401]

Does anyone know what type of lubrication to use on this engine?

Thanks
Jason

[Dale]

Does anyone know what type of lubrication to use on this engine?

Thanks
Jason

I think vaseline is what I used.
It may have come with something similar.

[65electra401]

I think vaseline is what I used.
It may have come with something similar.

The model didnt come with any sort of lubricant.

I thought of vaseline since i saw it posted earlier, but the only thing i was wondering is how does it work with the plastic parts? Since vaseline is petroleum based does it react weird to the plastic pieces?

I ask this because when i was into rubik's cubes, i know you werent supposed to lube them with vaseline because it would break down the insides of the cube. How well did it work for you?

Thanks,
Jason

[70sLark]

vaseline sounds a bitto sticky or goopy, crap would get in it easy and be a mess to clean.

use WD-40 just fish oil, bio friendly for all uses.
A secret tip for fishing, just spray on the lure or worm.
Don't use it on your chineese food.

[65electra401]

on your chinese food?? :puzzled: lol

Is the name of the stuff "WD-40 Just Fish Oil"?

Jason

[buick64203]

If you read the instructions, it says to use vegetable oil:Smarty:

[DaWildcat]

That makes sense, as any petroleum-based product or solvent (including petroleum jelly and WD-40) may have an adverse effect on the plastic.

Where in the world did this WD-40 = "fish oil" idea come from? Its MSDS says it's made up of aliphatic hydrocarbons, petroleum base oil and CO2 as a propellant. The only thing it has in common with sea life is the offshore oil rig sitting in the middle of it.

Devon

[Dale]

If you read the instructions, it says to use vegetable oil:Smarty:

:Dou:
I should know better than to post an answer based on something I did 38 years ago.

[70sLark]

pull the MSD on fish oil and get back to me on that.......

wd40 is the only bio friendly spray lub of the pop name brands.

[DaWildcat]

wd40 is the only bio friendly spray lub of the pop name brands.

Then try watering your "house plants" with it and get back to me on that.

Devon

[65electra401]

Oh, vegetable oil. I didnt read the instructions i guess... Im more of a-look at the pictures to figure it out- kinda guy. haha.

Thanks,
Jason