I need every member to read this ! ! ! !

[70 gsconvt]

Hi, I'm posting this because I'm asking for everyone's help. I have been on several mission trips, including New Orleans and Mexico and right around my home town.

I have an opportunity to go to Zimbabwe, Africa in 2010. It would be a 2 week trip to assist a missionary that my church is sponsoring establish a permanent church.

There are over 20,000 members here. If I could get a donation of just $1.00 per person, it would not only fully fund my trip, by buy a tractor for the village. That's about the same as one cup of coffee in the morning at a mini-mart.

We want to fill a shipping container with all the building materials, school supplies, and agricultural equipment we can. We're guessing that would cost approximately $100,000. It would be shipped a month ahead of time so that when we get there we would be all ready to go.

A lot of you here know me. It's not very often that I ask for help. But I have felt for a long time that this is my calling from God, to go to places like this as both a paramedic to assist with the medical clinics that seem to start up, and as a skilled builder/laborer to help these people. Taking care of kids during service is not my thing, this is.

Obviously anything you could donate would be appreciated. I'm taking donations through my paypal at sedlon1@yahoo.com.

Thank you very much for your time and God Bless all those who choose to help.

[Steve Craig]

I'm in for $10.00. Check your Paypal.

[ragtops]

Best Wishes. As Charles Stanley always says, "We reap what we sow, more than we sow and later than we sow", And so you shall, God Bless.
Mike

[Jeff Corey]

Hi I just paypal'd thru $10 to add to your worthwhile cause. God Bless and I know you'll make a difference.

[67fitz]

Another $10.00 coming your way Lets get a fleet of tractors

[69BUICKSTAGE1]

:rant: HELP SOMEONE IN AMERICA .THERE IS A LOT OF AMERICANS THAT NEED HELP RIGHT NOW!:rant:
I'm in for $10.00. Check your Paypal.

[ubushaus]

I just sent my donation, and I think the mods should make this a sticky.

[Joe65SkylarkGS]

He's kinda got a point. I'm a NY Teamster and been out of work for about a year or so. Not only us truck drivers but the laborers, engineers, formans and a whole freaking bunch of us middle class blue color workers sitting home without a job!

No ones helping me. But myself.


Don't mean to hijack but I had to post.

[1967GS340]

I do believe that charity begins at home and try to keep my focus that way, but I also don't see the need to go for the throat on a guy that is doing what he believes is the right thing to do.

[ubushaus]

He's kinda got a point. I'm a NY Teamster and been out of work for about a year or so. Not only us truck drivers but the laborers, engineers, formans and a whole freaking bunch of us middle class blue color workers sitting home without a job!

No ones helping me. But myself.

I understand your point too Joe. I am fortunate to still have my job. I truly hope the "end of the recession" brings work your way soon. But long after that happens, the people Phil is trying to help will still be left behind unless others help.

[Joe65SkylarkGS]

I understand your point too Joe. I am fortunate to still have my job. I truly hope the "end of the recession" brings work your way soon. But long after that happens, the people Phil is trying to help will still be left behind unless others help.


I get it Joe.

But I also understand his frustration.

And thanks for the well wishes.

[yacster]

I understand the opinions of those who feel we should be helping those here in the States and agree with them, but, if you were to read the original post Phil has helped here in the States, in New Orleans. I am assuming during the Katrina disaster. You are doing Gods work and should be commended for doing it.
I sent $10 for the cause. God Bless and be safe.

[pphil]

and everyone if you give it as a gift .....paypal wont hold any out of it ...:Brow:
scott

[69BUICKSTAGE1]

I Edited My Original Angry Man Post. Sorry About That.

[71skylark3504v]

I sent you $5, equivalent to 10 beers!:laugh:

[BUICKRAT]

:rolleyes:

Not to be rude, but you sound like sally fields, or whatever that chicks name was. For the price of a cup of coffee etc...

Support your local mom and pop, help them keep from going out of business. Unless you have money falling out your butt, I would say keep that money here where we need it. After we are a strong country again, we can help others. Until then, we need to help ourselves.

[70 gsconvt]

and everyone if you give it as a gift .....paypal wont hold any out of it ...:Brow:
scott

I didn't know that. Good info. Thanks. Every bit helps.

Thanks already to all those that have helped me in reaching my goal. A couple people asked about my church. It's Northside Christian Church in Wadsworth, OH. They've been all over the world doing mission trips, but this one to Africa is a first even for them.

And I do understand how some people here think that there is a lot to do here in the US, and they're right. I have helped down in New Orleans after the hurricane, I've done work here at a homeless women's shelter, and a place called The Village in Akron which is a halfway house for kids from rough homes. This is just something that I feel I want and need to do.

[Jeff Corey]

I noticed that in the postings here that @ this point there's about 30 vehicles listed that people own in their collections, Phil is trying to help some folks who don't own anything just get one tractor to grown crops to feed themselves and to help move products to build a better yet simple life for those folks over there.

When I sent my donation as a Canadian to an American to help African folks, it didn't matter to me which country it went to as long as the person on the recieving end got help.

We are spoiled to pieces here in North America with our possessions and lifestyles with the things we own and the things we take for granted and enjoy everyday like clean water to drink, schools, hospitals and health care. Shame on those who can only think of themselves, God would want you to share your last piece of bread or lend a helping hand to anyone who might be in need, and I'm certain that he will bless you for it.

Yes it's great to help local folks, and I've done so a few times this year with local folks who found themselves hard up against it, I'm not rich by any means but the richness I felt by helping someone else down on their luck was worth more than gold to me. If you can give some funds or time or whatever to anyone either across the street or across the world please do it, I guarantee that you'll feel better for doing so.

[Woodsters]

:gp:
I noticed that in the postings here that @ this point there's about 30 vehicles listed that people own in their collections, Phil is trying to help some folks who don't own anything just get one tractor to grown crops to feed themselves and to help move products to build a better yet simple life for those folks over there.

When I sent my donation as a Canadian to an American to help African folks, it didn't matter to me which country it went to as long as the person on the recieving end got help.

We are spoiled to pieces here in North America with our possessions and lifestyles with the things we own and the things we take for granted and enjoy everyday like clean water to drink, schools, hospitals and health care. Shame on those who can only think of themselves, God would want you to share your last piece of bread or lend a helping hand to anyone who might be in need, and I'm certain that he will bless you for it.

Yes it's great to help local folks, and I've done so a few times this year with local folks who found themselves hard up against it, I'm not rich by any means but the richness I felt by helping someone else down on their luck was worth more than gold to me. If you can give some funds or time or whatever to anyone either across the street or across the world please do it, I guarantee that you'll feel better for doing so.

[1967GS340]

He's kinda got a point. I'm a NY Teamster and been out of work for about a year or so. Not only us truck drivers but the laborers, engineers, formans and a whole freaking bunch of us middle class blue color workers sitting home without a job!

No ones helping me. But myself.


Don't mean to hijack but I had to post.

I feel for you Joe. I have friends that use to drive trucks, and I have friends that are owner operators right now. Thanks to helping some third world folks the owner operators lost their contract that they had for 18 years. They were hauling from Portland Oregon to somewhere in California with two trucks and back. The very weekend that they said it was OK for the mexican drivers to haul their loads over the boarder and up to anywhere the load was going, they got told they were no longer needed. They had payments on one of the trucks, one of the trailers, plus all the insurance and all.
The next gig that they got cost them every month, but they went in the whole slower than letting the trucks sit. Don't know how they are doing right now, but I know they paid off the truck, so it's got to be better.
The trucking industry was hit by more than just the recession. They got hammered by politics and helping out some third world drivers.

[70 gsconvt]

He's kinda got a point. I'm a NY Teamster and been out of work for about a year or so. Not only us truck drivers but the laborers, engineers, formans and a whole freaking bunch of us middle class blue color workers sitting home without a job!

No ones helping me. But myself.


Don't mean to hijack but I had to post.

I'm sorry about your situation. Do you have a church that you attend? If so, you may want to ask them for assistance. I know how tough it can be for people who have never had to ask for help. I deal with them all the time at work. I can only imagine how helpless people must feel today in this economy. But help is out there. If not from the government or work, then from your community. I think you'd be surprised how many people out there are willing to help out others.

That is one of the great things about the USA, we may squak amongst ourselves, but no one pulls together more in a crisis. 9-11 comes to mind.

[BrunoD]

Hi Phil,not all of us have PayPal,so your address will be helpful for the rest of us.BrunoD.

[Mr Big]

Great job Phil...keep leaning forward. :TU:

$ sent.:3gears:

[70 gsconvt]

Hi Phil,not all of us have PayPal,so your address will be helpful for the rest of us.BrunoD.


Hi, wow I never thought of that in this day and age.:laugh:

Of course, you can send a check to me. My address is:

Phillip Sedlon
2280 Thoroughbred Drive
Wadsworth, OH 44281

I read above about the way I'm going about this. I don't mean to come off sounding like Sally Fields from those commercials a few years back. I remember them. She's talking about kids starving over there. Meanwhile she's grown quite "robusque" and I'm sure their was a plate of baloney sandwiches for her just off camera. Sorry if it bothered some.

Thanks too all that have donated so far.

[Sergeant Major]

He's kinda got a point. I'm a NY Teamster and been out of work for about a year or so. Not only us truck drivers but the laborers, engineers, formans and a whole freaking bunch of us middle class blue color workers sitting home without a job!

No ones helping me. But myself.


Don't mean to hijack but I had to post.

I've got to agree with those who think that "Charity Begins at Home" The U.S. has millions out of work, whole families living in cars, shelters, Veterans in cardboard boxes...but we're supporting people from other countries?? Just doesn't make sense to me. I'd rather send $1,000.00 and a HUMONGOUS CALZONE to Joe.

**Kicks the soapdish (can't afford a *&^% soapbox) outta the way**

-nuff said

SGM

[Ken Mild]

I've got to agree with those who think that "Charity Begins at Home" The U.S. has millions out of work, whole families living in cars, shelters, Veterans in cardboard boxes...but we're supporting people from other countries?? Just doesn't make sense to me. I'd rather send $1,000.00 and a HUMONGOUS CALZONE to Joe.

**Kicks the soapdish (can't afford a *&^% soapbox) outta the way**

-nuff said

SGM

Respectfully,

We are ALREADY supporting people in other coutries through your tax dollars. In ways that you HAVE no choice. Illegal immigrants on welfare sending money home to their homeland comes to mind, not to mention free healthcare and tuition, just to scrape the surface. Why should this bother you when it is actually a "real" cause worth taking on? He's helping this community become self sufficient.

No offense, (and I mean that), but nothing is preventing you from sending Joe a Calzone and $1,000. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. He will eat the calzone and use the 1K as "he sees" fit.

God's work doesn't end at our borders though. We do our part firstly by paying taxes which are supposed to fund programs to help the needy. The only problem is, the government can (and does) screw it up by misapproriating funds.

So, you could always lead a fundraiser in your community or out of your church for all the Joe's out there who need help. Everybody's calling in life is not identical. If it were, it would screw everything up. :beers2:

We are called to serve in some way, not just serve US citizens (although that is STILL awesome). Humanity is humanity. Not speaking for Phil, but I think he is thinking outside the realm of "where" the problems are and more of how severe they are. Yes, there are people very much in need here. There's great programs to help the downtrodden in the U.S. You just need to search them out if you want to donate. Some charities are bogus and you can be ripped off though, so be careful.

Let's face it, even a homeless person in a refrigerator box can, if they so choose and are mentally and physically able, push a broom at the very least and move on from there. There are just some homeless people you could throw a million dollars at and 1 year later it would be gone and they'd be out on the street again crying for more. I saw them all the time in NYC and NJ and DC.

When you help some to help themselves though, the results are entirely different. It works better than just giving someone money, because no matter how good the intentions, money gets misused, but to give someone the resources to be self sufficient, this is an entirely different (and better in my opinion) approach. But it will only work if the people "want" to be helped. In Phil's case, I have a hard time believing the people he's going to help fall into that category.

$$ sent

[Joe65SkylarkGS]

I've got to agree with those who think that "Charity Begins at Home" The U.S. has millions out of work, whole families living in cars, shelters, Veterans in cardboard boxes...but we're supporting people from other countries?? Just doesn't make sense to me. I'd rather send $1,000.00 and a HUMONGOUS CALZONE to Joe.

**Kicks the soapdish (can't afford a *&^% soapbox) outta the way**

-nuff said

SGM



I was wrong. Bruce has my back. Thanks bud.

[RG67BEAST]

Good luck on your quest Phil.
Ray

[1967GS340]

I've got to agree with those who think that "Charity Begins at Home" The U.S. has millions out of work, whole families living in cars, shelters, Veterans in cardboard boxes...but we're supporting people from other countries?? Just doesn't make sense to me. I'd rather send $1,000.00 and a HUMONGOUS CALZONE to Joe.

**Kicks the soapdish (can't afford a *&^% soapbox) outta the way**

-nuff said

SGM


I agree nearly 100 percent. The part that I have a problem with is sending him the calzone. It just wouldn't be fresh when he got it, and well, you've seen me so you know that I could give that calzone a good home! MMMM........ Last good calzone I had was in Idaho.

Serious though, there are veterans and people in areas of this country that during good times need help. Lots of people who are just in a bad way, had some bad luck that turned their world upside down.
I also think that there are lots on here (myself included) who are starting to try and figure out how to make sure they have a good christmas for their kids this year.

[jimhirt]

Please submit to my PM... I will assist on helping, keep me updated. Others that need help please ask kindly it will happen for you as well.
Jim Hirt

[70 gsconvt]

Please submit to my PM... I will assist on helping, keep me updated. Others that need help please ask kindly it will happen for you as well.
Jim Hirt

You've been PM'd. Thanks.

[RACEBUICKS]

Phil , Good luck on your mission trip! Gods calling is something to be honored. Its certainly nothing to mock. For nothing is too big for my God. Psalm 56:4 is a verse to remember:

In God, whose Word I praise,
In God I have put my trust,
I shall not be afraid.
What can mere man do to me?

[Joe65SkylarkGS]

How bout some people sending me a "don't lose my house" donation?

All PM's welcome.

Didn't you have a thread looking for recommendations for a summer home? You can't fund your own trip?

[Sergeant Major]

Maybe this should go first. http://v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=188479 With all the money that is made from it, it should give you quite a head start on the amount of :dollar: that is required, then maybe the GS should be put up for auction as well. Should get quite a bit for that I'm sure. Gotta give til it hurts.....

[1967GS340]

Looking for a summer home, I didn't make that connection. Add that to an 11 second GS convertible in the signature line and it sounds pretty silly for a guy that has a car on jack stands waiting for some cash to bring it to life and who has to prioritize his bills to be giving money to his cause.

I have a buddy that went on a mission to Africa last year. I saw some pictures in a church, and a bunch of wild life pictures from a picture safari. I'm sure that he probably paid for the picture safari, but after you get the trip and place to stay paid for that's a pretty cheap high end vacation.
I would give about anything to make that trip, but for me a vacation is 400 - 500 miles away to Montana camping every three years or so.

[70 gsconvt]

I feel the need to respond to the last two posts.

If you must know, we own a rental property here in Ohio and were wanting to do an exchange/trade for something in a warmer climate. And as for my car, it's been sitting in pieces in my garage for over two months now and no new parts ordered.

I don't have the money tree that some seem to think I have. I apologize if I've projected that. But I am not going to apologize for my life, my choices, and my decision on how to do things. If you don't like it, fine. But please don't come on here where I'm trying to do something good and bash me because you don't like the way in which I'm going about it.

And you surely can't be serious that I'm doing this for no other reason than to go on a nice vacation. That is just totally absurd. I notice both post are from Washington. Must be a west coast kind of thing

[DaWildcat]

I notice both post are from Washington. Must be a west coast kind of thing

Phillip, I have restrained myself from commenting thus far, but as a Christian myself, that was not a kind comment, and while we all feel the need to defend our pursuits, you should not resort to this stuff. This is what made us fight each other...with bloodshed, years ago.

We must be beyond states or territories here...beyond race & religion, too.

Devon

[NeverL8]

$10.00 sent Phillip! God Bless and good luck

Your doing a good thing, and I could not imagine the diffuculties you will face next year!

just remember, one smile will make it ALL worth while

:beer

[1967GS340]

I notice both post are from Washington. Must be a west coast kind of thing

Yep, it's a Washington thing that it sounds odd that a guy who we know three primary things that he has advertised about himself being

1) I'm looking for a nice beach vacation home in a warmer climate to buy.
2) I have a nice 11 second collectible car.
3) Send me money to go to Africa.

It's a regional thing that it sounds odd that a guy who advertises how good things are for him is asking for money to go to Africa as a charity trip, our charity, your trip.
Well, things aren't as they seem, It's not actually a vacation home (now that the hand is out). Again, sounds like a less than honest response in one posting or the other.

More power to those that want to send money, but surely you can't be surprised that it gets a reaction that a guy who has just been asking where he should buy his beach house asking for money gets a reaction, or that people think that the millions in our country who are out of work are the more important target of charitable efforts.
Doesn't a charitable act require sacrifice on the part of the one doing the charity as opposed to asking others to pay their way?

Maybe both of the guys that you picked out have been to places in the military, domestic and foreign, to do projects for people in need. I liked the domestic projects more myself.
I'm only assuming on the part of the Sergeant Major based on the fact that I don't know how he could have spent all those years till he retired without being involved in the same types of projects that I was in.

[70 gsconvt]

As for sacrifice, isn't giving up two weeks vacation and going somewhere to work your butt off a bit of a sacrifice? And I never said that I wasn't putting in some of my own money to do this. I'm just giving others here an opportunity to help me do the most that I can to help these people, both spiritually and to hellp them better their way of life.

If it's not in someone's heart after reading this not to give, then don't give. But I don't think it fair to publicly rip on me for what I'm doing.

And I was in the military also. I served in the Army from 1983-1989. I was stationed in the US, Germany and Korea.

This is the last time I am going to respond to these type of posts criticizing and whining about what I've chosen to do. If some people spent half the time helping fix this world that they do complaining about it and others in it, it would be a better place.

[Floydsbuick]

Phil, PM your addy. I'm in for a few bucks.

Quite a subject here. Yeah, times are tough here to. I spent nearly a year and a half of my life in Central America. I think alot of youns have no idea how much being poor in the USA is better than being well off in 75% of the third world countries. But, we do have needs here too and Phils in-country mission trips addresses the character of the man who asks for donations.

Speaking of Phil...... I remember years ago buying an intake off of him. He had a trip nearby so he went out of his way to drop off the part to me wth no extra cost. Brought my kids little fire helmets too! He didn't know us, but he set an example of how to treat others. Like we want to be treated. Do unto others... hmm... reflects the teachings of great guy who walked the earth briefly.

The Prophet Malachi address's giving offerings with a unique passage, which the Lord says to test him. So if youns are in doubt, may I suggest you give a donation a try, and see blessing pour out.

[Ken Mild]

I think alot of youns have no idea how much being poor in the USA is better than being well off in 75% of the third world countries.

:beers2:

[Mike Sobotka]

Phil,
Don't know you personally but I will send you some $$ for your cause. As for the the members on here that don't like that you asked for a measly dollar, so what-you are doing something that you believe in your heart will do some good in this world so more power to you. It's nobodys business what you have, I am sure you earned it. I catch the same sh!t around here but I started with nothin and they can all pack sand if they don't like it.:moonu: May the Lord be with you on your mission.:pray:

[70 gsconvt]

Read only if you have time for God

Let me tell you, make sure you read all the way to the bottom.

I almost deleted this email but I was blessed when I got to the end


God,

when I received this e-mail, I thought... I don't have time for this... And, this is really inappropriate during work.

Then, I realized that this kind of thinking is.... Exactly, what has caused a lot of the problems in our world today.

We try to keep God in church on Sunday morning...Maybe, Sunday night...

And, the unlikely event of a midweek service.

And we do like to have Him around during sickness......

And, of course, at funerals.

However, we don't have time, or room, for Him during work or play...

Because.. That's the part of our lives we think... We can, and should, handle on our own.

May God forgive me for ever thinking...

That... There is a time or place where..

HE is not to be FIRST in my life.

We should always have time to remember all HE has done for us.

If, You aren't ashamed to do this...

Please follow the directions.

Jesus said, 'If you are ashamed of me, I will be ashamed of you before my Father.'

Not ashamed? Pass this on ONLY IF YOU MEAN IT!!

Yes, ..... I DO Love God.

HE is my source of existence and Savior.

He keeps me functioning each and every day. Without Him, I will be nothing.

But, with Christ, HE strengthens me. (Phillippians 4:13)

This is the simplest test. If You Love God...And, are not ashamed of all the marvelous things HE has done for you...

Send this to ten people and the person who sent it to you!

Now do you have the time to pass it on?

Make sure that you scroll through to the end.

Easy vs. Hard

Why is it so hard to tell the truth but Yet so easy to tell a lie?

Why are we so sleepy in church but Right when the sermon is over we suddenly wake up?

Why is it so easy to delete a Godly e-mail, but yet we forward all of the nasty ones?

Of all the free gifts we may receive, Prayer is the very best one.......

There are no costs, but wonderful rewards...GOD BLESS!


Notes: Isn't it funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell.

Isn't it funny how someone can say 'I believe in God' but still follow Satan (who, by the way, also 'believes' in God).

Isn't it funny how you can send a thousand jokes through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing?

Isn't it funny how when you go to forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it to them.

Isn't it funny how I can be more worried about what other people think of me than what God thinks of me.

I pray, for everyone who sends this to their entire address book, they will be blessed by God in a way special for them.

And send it back to the person who sent it, to let them know that indeed it was sent out to many more.

[Joe65SkylarkGS]

Dude now your some kinda preacher too??

I think you should delete this thread.

Enough allready.

[RACEBUICKS]

This thread is in the Help from above section. That is the place for this kind of thread. If you go to the thread tools box above and click "unsubscribe you wont see this anymore in your email.

[Joe65SkylarkGS]

This thread is in the Help from above section. That is the place for this kind of thread. If you go to the thread tools box above and click "unsubscribe you wont see this anymore in your email.

I'm sorry Mike if I'm being the bad guy here.

Just my feelings and opinions.

If I'm an ass, then please forgive me.

[Sergeant Major]

If someone did this with another religion.. i.e. Wiccian, or Islam this entire board would be all over it... (no I'm not either one of 'em...)

[Ken Mild]

This thread is in the Help from above section. That is the place for this kind of thread. If you go to the thread tools box above and click "unsubscribe you wont see this anymore in your email.

Exactly. I guess we are not even safe in this forum either. Oh well, I honestly can say I'm not surprised. Annoyed a little maybe, but not surprised.

If someone clicks "new posts", then look what forum the thread is in before you view it. If just reading "help from above" makes your skin crawl (although I don't know why it should), then don't click any further. Seems kind of simple. :Do No:

[Mr Big]

I'm sure he never intended to offend, so why insist on antagonizing this man?

Why don't we just let it go?:TU:

[BUICKRAT]

Not to undermine anyone here, but asking for a donation after looking for a vacation home seems kinda wrong to me. Seems like you are trying to prey on peoples emotions instead of funding the trip yourself. Sell your car if you feel they need a tractor that bad. Why should everone else pitch in when you wont sacrifice your own stuff. I understand we all have our own beliefs and passions, but asking from others when you have plenty to give just seems wrong. And yes, it seems to me you want us to fund a vacation for yourself. And possibly tooting your own horn. Which is not what the Lord would want.

[TuBBeD]

You guys crack me up!! Have you ever been or seen Zimbabwe??

I don't understand how you guys can see that as a vacation and expecting Phil to sacrifice all he worked for to help people in need. But, the worst and saddest thing I noticed on this thread is the manner of how people always see $$$ signs, whether it's in regards to people hurting in the U.S., overseas, or a beach house someone's looking to buy. It's no wonder this country is going to hell. I'm glad Phil has all those things, because I know he risked his life for other people to have them. He's a responsible American and it is totally uncalled for to disrespect him cause he's trying to help people. People need to stop being armchair critics and get off their asses if they feel help is needed somewhere else.

These past couple weeks I spent $4000 in parts for my truck, lost 2 weeks of work, and I believe I'm behind on every bill. And, if I had a couple dollars to spare, I would donate knowing that I could at least make someone's life better, while being in the rut I'm in. Believe me, what goes around, comes around and having that feeling of making someone's life better makes me feel I have a greater purpose in life, rather than just working and losing my tail as an owner operator.

There's no better feeling than helping someone in need, no matter where they are from. Phil, I hope you're successful in your mission.

[MooseBear]

:gp:

[pphil]

I'm sure he never intended to offend, so why insist on antagonizing this man?

Why don't we just let it go?:TU:

what he said
scott

[Annie Oakley]

I have an honest question that has been bothering me since I first read this thread. I'm not trying to be a smart-azz, just confused.

If you take a tractor to these people, and somehow teach them how to use it in 2 weeks when probably most of them have never seen anything mechanical ever, how are they going to keep fuel in the thing? Where will they get it? Is there even any infrastructure over there to support gas and oil needed to run it? :Do No:

[70 gsconvt]

I have an honest question that has been bothering me since I first read this thread. I'm not trying to be a smart-azz, just confused.

If you take a tractor to these people, and somehow teach them how to use it in 2 weeks when probably most of them have never seen anything mechanical ever, how are they going to keep fuel in the thing? Where will they get it? Is there even any infrastructure over there to support gas and oil needed to run it? :Do No:

I have to say that I do not have an answer for that one. We will be having meetings shortly to start the planning of the shipping container. And Derek, the missionary, will be having a lot of input obviously as to what exactly we would need to bring.

[RACEBUICKS]

I am almost certain that after they get the tractor there will be others to help out behind Phil. Most any of the missionary trips I have been a part of have always had others during and after different missionary trips from all over the US. For example my wife and kids went to New Orleans after the floods. They helped elderly people get the homes back in order. The weeks prior had others doing sheet rock and wiring. By the time my family was there they did sheet rock sanding and painting and also they did a lot of yard work.

So what Im saying here The entire deal is all up to GOD he will be the deliverer of the items needed. Its all about Faith.

[GSXMEN]

Haven't been on the board lately, but had a couple of posters in this thread report it to me. Why, I'm not entirely sure.

Phil isn't asking that everyone be 'required' to donate. He's posted here so that anyone that is willing & able to do so, gets the opportunity to be a blessing to people that are in need. In turn, God will bless those that give.

At the very least, we can pray for their mission and that God would get the glory.

Seems like a Win - Win situation to me. Not sure how anyone would view it otherwise.

[yacster]

I am utterly appalled at some of the comments I have read here on this thread by men I know and respect.
#1- This forum is for those who wish to speak of the lord with out the scrutiny of those who wish not to.
#2- Phil did not ask for anything but $1 from each member if they can give it. His good fortune in life to have such things as a vacation home, extra cars or what-have-you have no bearing on the "missionary trip" he and his church are embarking on.
#3- If you wish not to take part in the missonary efforts, choose not to, but do not slander a man who IS taking on the calling and going to a "God Forsaken" place and bringing God and his mercies to them.
#4- Several of you have stood and passed judgement on a man who IS trying to help those in need. His church chose these people because, I am sure, without this mission many will die from starvation, sickness, and or a myriad of many other things. I can tell you with out hesitation none of you casting stones here are starving or dying of "the common cold". If you are, get off the computer and walk into the 1000's of soup kitchens and clinics we in this country have, sell YOUR computer and feed yourself. Then sell YOUR CARS and so on and so on.
Really, how dare some of you tell this man he should sell his cars or his vacation home to fund this mission. His contribution is time and effort and I am sure monetary as well not to mention the sacrifice of his family time etc etc etc.
If you have charity in your heart to help then help, if not don't, but do not make this man feel guilty for asking for a measely dollar.

God Bless you and the mission Phil
We will all stand in front of God and be judged one day of how we lived while here. What have you done for your God or his children? Ask your self that, then pass judgment on a man who plans to go to Africa to help Gods Children!!!

[Heavy D]

Well said Anthony. I wanted to post something last night but thought better of it, it wouldnt have been as nice and I didnt want to stoop to that level.

Phil, you have no reason to defend yourself or your actions, God bless you and your mission!

[Ken Mild]

Well said Anthony. I wanted to post something last night but thought better of it, it wouldnt have been as nice and I didnt want to stoop to that level.



Ditto - Thanks Anthony.

[roboteq-1@hotma]

$10.00 sent. Post some pics when you return.
I have spent a bit of time in Guatemala- those who are angry really have no idea, they do not understand.What WE consider poverty is to them untold wealth. And I am sorry for the guys here who are hurting, I have had my health ripped away at 45 and will be weak the rest of my life and unable to do the work I used to love, and earning a good paycheck to support my family. For those of you out of work , this is temporary-i hope- for me, it is the rest of my life-which will not be full span.
Robert
Good luck.
Robert

[BUICKRAT]

I, for one, did not mean to stir up a hornets nest. Just voicing my opinion, as Phil is.

However...

I have personally given up many paychecks to help out people in MY community, people who have fallen on hard times and may have to go live under a bridge in a crappy tent when yesterday they had it all. These people have paid their dues also, worked 70 hrs a week, and did NOT overextend themselves as many crying poverty have( in the US). They were just the victims of unfortunate circumstances. Is this not just as bad as people in these underdeveloped nations? I don't know about you, but have you ever forfieted your paycheck? For 2 months in a row? And still scambled to make end meet? I have. Just to help out locals!

Its not their fault they were born into poverty and not one of them has the common sense to dig a well or plant a seed. I say teach them how to pray, how to believe in the Almighty, and all the details will take care of themselves. I have had to work hard for everything I have(and it aint all that much) But common sense taught me that if I want it, I gotta make it happen..."If its to be, It's up to me".

No disrepect, yacster, but you say this is not about money but in fact it is. Did you not get the "dollar from everyone"?

Too many people have forgotten what "Help from above" really means. It does not mean send me money. It means Lord, give me the strength and wisdom to help these people. You do not pray to win the lottery, you do not pray for financial help. God does not give money, he gives in so many other ways, and most are just too blind to see.

I am suprised that this is even under the help from above section. It should be on the vendors list. I was not aware that v8buick supported and advertised charities.

Help from above means prayers. Prayers that these unfortunate people will stop breeding like mad and learn how to fend for themselves.

I understand that these third world countries can be a living he!! for some.

And I also understand how folks can get drawn into the "we have to help them" mindset. But my mind also asks me...is it the right thing to do? Should we just hand them things? I don't believe it will help. In 4 years, that tractor will be sitting unused and broken in a field, with all the natives looking at it and scratching their heads. Who knows, it may become some sort of idol to them and they will chant at it to make it come alive again.

The only thing that will help them is divine intervention, and I'm afraid no-one here is qualified. We can pray for them, and ask the Lord to help them.

And I resent the "I need every member to read this" title. That smacks of manipulation and arrogance to me.

Flame away, guys!

ps I just remebered, it was Sally Struthers, not Sally Fields, and yes, she got as big as a house

[1967GS340]

Well said Steve. I was thinking some of those things, but wasn't going to post to this again, but I have to support you in what you just said.

It has been said that this is what the help from above section is for and that people can block it and don't need to read it, but there is a better and more common use of this section It is used by people who have an issue and want to put it out there because it helps them to deal with something. I have seen people who have suffered personal loss of a loved one among other things and this gives them a chance to speak of it, and gives us a chance to try and lend support to them, prayers or good thoughts, whatever is right for you.
I know that I don't want to block a section where people ask for support simply because I don't want someone to solicit money for a trip from me.

" I need every member to read this ! ! ! ! " when posted in a section where friends post and need support is going to get most members to read it, only to find that it's a pitch for money, and as you say then have someone say "it's not about money" when that is the only reason for the thread.

[racngrn]

No lack of opinions on this one. That's why America is a great place. That said, there are places on this earth that are worse than the worse day or situation any of us can imagine. Employed or not, they are worse and have little hope of ever getting better. No matter what we have or don;t have here, its a much better place to be. I spread dollars around all year both locally and abroad. Kids with cancer, Salvation Army, guy at the intersection that needs a buck for food or whatever. I bet most of us do what we can when we can. That's all you can ask for. Those few of us that get on a plane and go to these third world places truly deserve any help we can offer because they see, first hand, how bad it is and want to help in ways we won't understand. There is always room for opinions. What we actually chose to do should not be subject to scrutiny though.

A liitle help sent via Paypal. Be safe . Steve

[yacster]

All I can say is WOW? :eek2:

I guess when the people in that African village pray their prayers are on the bottom of the list cause they were born in a hellatious place. I see:Smarty: prayers from the US go first then Europe then Russia, where next???... then lastly, Africa. And God drops the money the tractor and all the other stuff from the sky. Not in the form of men, who through charity help them. I guess I have had it wrong all this time. Thanks for setting me and us other suckers who "just want to help" straight:TU:

[1967GS340]

All I can say is WOW? :eek2:

I guess when the people in that African village pray their prayers are on the bottom of the list cause they were born in a hellatious place. I see:Smarty: prayers from the US go first then Europe then Russia, where next???... then lastly, Africa. And God drops the money the tractor and all the other stuff from the sky. Not in the form of men, who through charity help them. I guess I have had it wrong all this time. Thanks for setting me and us other suckers who "just want to help" straight:TU:


I am not god.

I don't answer prayers. What their prayers are, and what god sees fit as a response is not something that I can say any more than you.

If you feel god like and that your actions are the will and work of god, more power to you.

As for the order of taking care of people, I strongly believe that you start with family and work out from there.

[yacster]

I am not god. Where did you read that in my post or for that matter what does anything you wrote have to do with my post? But to answer your questions . . .

I don't answer prayersYou obviously don't know it, but you do. Think about that one.. What their prayers are, and what god sees fit as a response is not something that I can say any more than you.Contrary to that statement. Phil and his church are the answer to their prayers for basic necessities-imagine that. I can't say for sure if one of the kids asked for a playstation or some thing, but I would say, the prayer for, say, water or food- they will be able to take care of that one. I am sure while starving, some one asked God for food. Kinda makes sense, no?

If you feel god like and that your actions are the will and work of god, more power to you. No one claimed to feel like God, but in so doing his work does give one a sense of fulfillment. If that is what you mean by feeling God like, well then yeah I feel good when I do charitable things. Most people do.

As for the order of taking care of people, I strongly believe that you start with family and work out from there. Ok, but I don't remember seeing anything in the original post like "let's discuss this" or "what do you do?" or anything to that effect. So I am happy for you. . . but:Do No:


I do believe that charity begins at home and try to keep my focus that way, but I also don't see the need to go for the throat on a guy that is doing what he believes is the right thing to do. So what made you change your tune???

At this point- Whatever! You guys just keep making it about you. We really want to know what you have done, and what you will do, and what we should do when it comes to charity -On someone elses thread. I really just don't get it, why are you guys ruining this mans thread with selfish rhetoric?:Do No: If he had broke any rules asking for a donation, the mods would/will take care of it.
But I am done trying to stop this thread from becoming a debate. Of course you will have to give me a piece of your mind regarding the above statements so have at it

Sorry Phil- Stick with it, you are doing the right thing, contrary to all of this other. . ., I don't know what to call it:Do No:

[RG67BEAST]

I do believe that charity begins at home and try to keep my focus that way, but I also don't see the need to go for the throat on a guy that is doing what he believes is the right thing to do. So what made you change your tune???
But I am done trying to stop this thread from becoming a debate. Of course you will have to give me a piece of your mind regarding the above statements so have at it

Sorry Phil- Stick with it, you are doing the right thing, contrary to all of this other. . ., I don't know what to call it:Do No:

Exactly. The man only asks for a dollar and gets scolded. On this sight it is uncalled for. This thread is already a debate. Sad but true.
Ray

[Ken Mild]

Too many people have forgotten what "Help from above" really means. It does not mean send me money. It means Lord, give me the strength and wisdom to help these people. You do not pray to win the lottery, you do not pray for financial help. God does not give money, he gives in so many other ways, and most are just too blind to see.

In all this, when did you forget that we were put here to help one another? Passive prayer without action can be useless. Phil is not "giving money" to anyone, as I understand his post.


I am suprised that this is even under the help from above section. It should be on the vendors list. I was not aware that v8buick supported and advertised charities.

Me either, I didn't see JW mandating any support for Phil's venture. :Do No:


Help from above means prayers. Prayers that these unfortunate people will stop breeding like mad and learn how to fend for themselves.

With no help whatsoever? Isn't that just passive prayer once again? That's like the case where a couple had a child with an implanted bowell and decided God would take care of it, so they let the kid die. God does not reward stupidity.


And I also understand how folks can get drawn into the "we have to help them" mindset. But my mind also asks me...is it the right thing to do?

Only you can answer that question. But don't try to answer it for everyone else too.


Should we just hand them things? I don't believe it will help. In 4 years, that tractor will be sitting unused and broken in a field, with all the natives looking at it and scratching their heads. Who knows, it may become some sort of idol to them and they will chant at it to make it come alive again.

THIS, is where your prayers WILL help. Taking the actions and leaving the REST up to God. This is true faith.


The only thing that will help them is divine intervention, and I'm afraid no-one here is qualified. We can pray for them, and ask the Lord to help them.

God works "through" people. See my point?


And I resent the "I need every member to read this" title. That smacks of manipulation and arrogance to me.

I have no comment on this other than he was probably a little over zealous with his desire. For everything else considered, IMHO, it's hardly a reason to "crucify" him.

[BUICKRAT]

I certainly am not out to crucify anyone, and none of MY posts can be deemed as such. I just feel that a classic muscle car forum/board/whatever you want to call it, should not be soliciting financial assistance for a religious organization/person/belief.

Phil, I respect your passion. You want to make a difference. We disagree on how it should be done. That's OK. Thats what makes us all who we are.

Ken, Yes he is giving money. That's what this thread was all about.

He is also giving of himself, as he has volounteered to go there himself to help out. That is an admirable task. I would never deny that to anyone.

But this is the wrong place to solicit financial support. Yes, we are a family here(me being the black sheep). A family supports itself and helps those members that are in need. Is Phil in need? I don't think so. His personal passion is in need. And it has Nothing to do with Buicks.

It's the same when a close friend comes to you and asks you to buy some boyscout popcorn cause his son is selling it. Even if he's 3000 miles away. All the more reason you are guilted into buying it.

And when the local boyscout comes knocking on your door you have to tell him you already bought some.

Since this is a Buick v8 forum, I would rather come here and help out people like Jim B. who gave all they had to help us 455 guys, stuck their neck out for us and got screwed in the end.

Yes Ken, I am all for helping out those in need, both in word and deed, the latter being most important. But does it make sense to make a futile attemt to try to help someone 6000 miles away when there are people next door that need their help? Just my not so humble opinion.


Originally Posted by BUICKRAT
And I also understand how folks can get drawn into the "we have to help them" mindset. But my mind also asks me...is it the right thing to do?

"Only you can answer that question. But don't try to answer it for everyone else too."

Ken, I never did try to answer it for anyone else. You are confusing my posts with some others. I was simply voicing my opinion.


RG67BEAST, he did not ask for a dollar, he asked for as many as he could get.


" No one claimed to feel like God, but in so doing his work does give one a sense of fulfillment. If that is what you mean by feeling God like, well then yeah I feel good when I do charitable things. Most people do"

Yacster, you are correct! Doing good things for people and giving of ourselves feels GREAT. It gives our simple minds a rush. I get that same feeling when I drop a benny in the soup kitchen box, Which, contrary to some peoples belief, is mostly empty, or fix a hard up single moms car and charge them zilch, etc. That is where I put all my charity money. Right here at home.

You want me to respect a belief and contribute towards it? Put the money towards birth control and sex ed, abstinence and hard labor, and maybe I would be on board.

I think this all boils bown to the feeling I got after I clicked on "new posts", saw the headliner, read it cause I thought a member was in serious need, only to find out billy mays somehow joined the v8 board from the dead.

[70 gsconvt]

I got two emails about my testimony, or story, regarding going on this mission trip.

Sooo, I was born a raised a Catholic. And we went to church like many, Christmas and Easter. I really never got much out of it. I knew right from wrong, but couldn't say that I always lived the life.

Then I got married and my wife insisted that we go to church. We went to several Catholic churches in our area and were even told by one priest that we couldn't come to his church because we weren't in it's area.

Then we went to Northside. It really grew on me. We now generally go there on Sunday for service, a bible study and participate in a monthly bible study at various people's houses.

I've always been good at remodeling. Watching toddlers during service is just not my thing. I've gone on mission trips to Mexico and New Orleans after the hurricane. I've also done work at a local homeless women's shelter (fixing stuff in the building) and worked with a kid's shelter called The Village near where I live.

Going to Africa is new to our church. That's why it's not on the map yet on our web site. I looked it up on Google. We're going to be near Masvingo, Zimbabwe.

[Ken Mild]

I certainly am not out to crucify anyone, and none of MY posts can be deemed as such. I just feel that a classic muscle car forum/board/whatever you want to call it, should not be soliciting financial assistance for a religious organization/person/belief.

Phil, I respect your passion. You want to make a difference. We disagree on how it should be done. That's OK. Thats what makes us all who we are.

Ken, Yes he is giving money. That's what this thread was all about.

He is also giving of himself, as he has volounteered to go there himself to help out. That is an admirable task. I would never deny that to anyone.

But this is the wrong place to solicit financial support. Yes, we are a family here(me being the black sheep). A family supports itself and helps those members that are in need. Is Phil in need? I don't think so. His personal passion is in need. And it has Nothing to do with Buicks.

It's the same when a close friend comes to you and asks you to buy some boyscout popcorn cause his son is selling it. Even if he's 3000 miles away. All the more reason you are guilted into buying it.

And when the local boyscout comes knocking on your door you have to tell him you already bought some.

Since this is a Buick v8 forum, I would rather come here and help out people like Jim B. who gave all they had to help us 455 guys, stuck their neck out for us and got screwed in the end.

Yes Ken, I am all for helping out those in need, both in word and deed, the latter being most important. But does it make sense to make a futile attemt to try to help someone 6000 miles away when there are people next door that need their help? Just my not so humble opinion.


Originally Posted by BUICKRAT
And I also understand how folks can get drawn into the "we have to help them" mindset. But my mind also asks me...is it the right thing to do?

"Only you can answer that question. But don't try to answer it for everyone else too."

Ken, I never did try to answer it for anyone else. You are confusing my posts with some others. I was simply voicing my opinion.


RG67BEAST, he did not ask for a dollar, he asked for as many as he could get.


" No one claimed to feel like God, but in so doing his work does give one a sense of fulfillment. If that is what you mean by feeling God like, well then yeah I feel good when I do charitable things. Most people do"

Yacster, you are correct! Doing good things for people and giving of ourselves feels GREAT. It gives our simple minds a rush. I get that same feeling when I drop a benny in the soup kitchen box, Which, contrary to some peoples belief, is mostly empty, or fix a hard up single moms car and charge them zilch, etc. That is where I put all my charity money. Right here at home.

You want me to respect a belief and contribute towards it? Put the money towards birth control and sex ed, abstinence and hard labor, and maybe I would be on board.

I think this all boils bown to the feeling I got after I clicked on "new posts", saw the headliner, read it cause I thought a member was in serious need, only to find out billy mays somehow joined the v8 board from the dead.

Steve, I guess I do respect your view, even though it may not seem like I did. I know what your initial objection to the whole post was. But getting past the solicitation, I think it's still a great cause. How successful it will be is beyond our (and possible even Phil's) capability. We do need charity here at home. It is needed throughout the world. Where we are charitable is not written in stone, thank God.

We do run food and clothing drives constantly all year long hear for local food shelters. Washington County Maine last I heard was one of the poorest counties in the USA. Right at our backdoor here, so I also do vividly understand the needs here at home. It is so easy to feel like food and warmth are "normal" when you have them, but take even the slightest luxury away and we would all be miserable.

[70 gsconvt]

I just wanted to thank all those that have mailed me their generous contributions and sponsorship.

[buicksstage1]

Come on guys:Dou: This is just another example of people on here needing to hit the back button, do you know where it is guys? Mine is at the top left of my screen in a blue circle with a white arrow in it. I'm not big on this religion stuff for my own reason's and ya I wish there was a spot where hunters could go on here but there isn't. I come in here to check up on board members and there family's to see if there safe and or healthy if that makes sence. A few months ago a fellow board members wife had a stroke, I have never met these poeple before and they live WAY over there so I picked up the phone got out my visa and tracked down the hospital she was in and had a basket of flowers sent up to her room. A while ago I sent some pistons and rods to another fellow, tools to another, slicks to another the list could go on. The point is what ever floats your boat guys, Its about helping out a fellow buick guy, the lady down the street or someone half way across the world. Phil has done plenty of work at "home" as you guys put it, cut the guy some slack. Thats like saying I should not be sending free parts, flowers etc across the border? I don't think so. I'm proud of people like Phil and the others that chimed in here that do give to others no matter where you live, it gives me hope for a better place. Please learn to use the back button if you don't agree with what you see. Phil, Thank you and have a safe trip. Chris Skaling

[69GS400s]

Im not around this part of the board often mostly because Im not Christian ... I dont think the intent was for this forum to only cater to those of Christian beliefs, but thats the way it tends to go. So rarely do you see me (or others who may believe in God) participate in this section of the board.

That said, I agree with those that feel charity should be spent close to home especially in these trying times. Interesting decision by Phil's church to reach so far away from home instead of looking around the corner ...

... but that is their decision to make - where to spend their charitable efforts, both financially and time-wise. I cant say I fault them for their efforts as certainly the people they are helping have suffered more than most can imagine.

Phil had the occasion to help me while I was on the side of the road broken down in BigRed at the time not knowing me in person - and that was a genuine gift from within ... from him to me. He didn't ask if I was Christian befor helping ...and I didn't ask .... I dont think that would have mattered a bit ... and it would have been the same if he had been the one broken and helpless.

I have also witnessed him helping the Buick community at large giving both his time money and effort.

He is a good man doing what he feels is right and for that I personally can not fault him.

They say it is better to give than receive ... to this I have always added it is even better to give back once you have received unexpectedly. Chew on that one for a moment

Thanks for being a caring individual Phil ... and thanks for giving me this opportunity to give back

[70 gsconvt]

Im not around this part of the board often mostly because Im not Christian ... I dont think the intent was for this forum to only cater to those of Christian beliefs, but thats the way it tends to go. So rarely do you see me (or others who may believe in God) participate in this section of the board.

That said, I agree with those that feel charity should be spent close to home especially in these trying times. Interesting decision by Phil's church to reach so far away from home instead of looking around the corner ...

... but that is their decision to make - where to spend their charitable efforts, both financially and time-wise. I cant say I fault them for their efforts as certainly the people they are helping have suffered more than most can imagine.

Phil had the occasion to help me while I was on the side of the road broken down in BigRed at the time not knowing me in person - and that was a genuine gift from within ... from him to me. He didn't ask if I was Christian befor helping ...and I didn't ask .... I dont think that would have mattered a bit ... and it would have been the same if he had been the one broken and helpless.

I have also witnessed him helping the Buick community at large giving both his time money and effort.

He is a good man doing what he feels is right and for that I personally can not fault him.

They say it is better to give than receive ... to this I have always added it is even better to give back once you have received unexpectedly. Chew on that one for a moment

Thanks for being a caring individual Phil ... and thanks for giving me this opportunity to give back

Thanks.

[70 gsconvt]

I just wanted to thank everyone who has read this post and chosen to help me with their sponsorship. Just to let you know, I've raised almost $500 so far. I've still got a long way to go, and I'll keep trying to reach my goal.

[Tothna]

Wow, it's scary how many people are bashing this guy for wanting to help other human beings. It's things like this that make me lose my faith in humanity....:(

[DaWildcat]

Wow, it's scary how many people are bashing this guy for wanting to help other human beings. It's things like this that make me lose my faith in humanity....:(

Phillip's desire to help people has not been questioned, from what I have read. Rather, he's been praised.

Don't lose your faith in us, or your own quite so quickly, please.

Devon

[70 gsconvt]

ttt

[DaWildcat]

ttt

Phillip, rather than just bumping the thread to the top, I think it would serve all of us well to know your progress so far, no?

Devon

[72riviGS]

God Bless!

[DaWildcat]

God Bless!

Welcome to V8Buick!

Devon

[70 gsconvt]

Phillip, rather than just bumping the thread to the top, I think it would serve all of us well to know your progress so far, no?

Devon

I did that on post #78 about a week ago. I'm up to just about $500. I've still got a long way to go and I'm looking at my life and some of the things I have to help me meet my goal.

Whenever I go on these mission trips, I always try and bring something for the kids. I have been in contact with Derek, the missionary there. He said that the kids have almost never seen a balloon and are fascinated by them. When I asked how many kids I could expect to see, he said about 3,500!!! So in addition to candy, I'm now on a mission to get 10,000 balloons to take with me to pass out to the children there.

[70 gsconvt]

Just wanted to take a moment and thank everyone here for their support. I've raised all my money between here and my friends at church and will be leaving for Zimbabwe on September 29th and return on October 13th.

I did get about 8,000 balloons for the kids. I'm also going to be the "medical authority" on this trip. So I was able to hook up with Medwish at the Cleveland Clinic and will be helping with the establishment and supplying of a clinic at one of the outlying villages. In addition, we'll be installing solar pumps to get wells up and running so the villages can have fresh water without walking for 4-5 miles to the river every day.

We'll of course be holding bible studies for kids and doing services with the adults and giving our testimonies. It should be a great trip.

[Floydsbuick]

How about leavin a V8 Buick sticker somewhere down there for us?

[mk333]

Hey Phillip, great idea. My Mom just went to Brikina Faso (spell check?)
Anyways send me your address and I'm in for $10. Good Luck.
Mike