Fram Oil Filters - A Must Read!

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Surprising News - Fram Oil Filters
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Hey everyone.. I hope you are all staying warm and getting ready for a new year.

I thought I'd share some surprising information about Fram oil filters that I read on another site,

Here is the body of that thread:

OK, some of you have heard me say to not use Fram oil filters. Some probably figure I'm being too anal and any filter that meets the car manufacturers warranty has to be good. Maybe you've seen pictures of new unused filters cut open and the cardboard ones look passable. Here's a picture comparing the Fram to the Napa Gold filter (and the Napa is a Wix filter). The Fram has 20 minutes on it, the Napa filter went to Dayton, Ohio and back home filtering the oil in my GTO.

1. Napa pleats are deeper
2. Napa has at least double the number of pleats
3. Napa pleats are a finer material
4. Napa has a steel top and bottom to the inside canister compared to cardboard on the Fram
5. Napa pleats are set in a poured epoxy base, Fram pleats are glued to the cardboard
6. Napa has a real spring to keep canister pushed up correctly to the bypass valve, Fram has a bent piece of spring steel
7. Napa body is much heavier steel. Note the smooth cut on the Napa and the ragged cut on the Fram - both cuts made with a filter rolling cutter.

Anyway seeing is believing so here's the picture. Note how the cardboard has already deformed at the top and the pleats have pushed apart on the Fram. Fram was just taken apart so the oil looks glossy in the picture.

At least now you know how O'Reily can offer a two for one sale on Fram oil filters and still make a healthy profit.

Chris

[Poppaluv]

YES FRAM SUCKS!!!!!!:moonu:

[mrad]

Excellent!! Always knew Fram was crap, and Wix/NAPA was one of the best. Now side by side very easy to tell.
Thanks

[Dylan]

My Dad was an automotive machinist and he would say, "Always use Wix, never use Fram." He never told me why, now I know why after seeing that picture. I can't say I've never used Fram before but you can bet I will never use them again. Thanks for the Post :TU:

[skierkaj]

I think this subject has been covered here on the board about a dozen times before, but it never hurts to remind people.

[r0ckstarr]

There's alot of info and testing over various oil filters here. This makes a good read:

http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy.html



Fram Extra Guard
Years ago Fram was a quality filter manufacturer. Now their standard filter (the radioactive-orange cans) is one of the worst out there. It features cardboard end caps for the filter element that are glued in place. The rubber anti-drainback valve seals against the cardboard and frequently leaks, causing dirty oil to drain back into the pan. The bypass valves are plastic and are sometimes not molded correctly, which allows them to leak all the time. The stamped-metal threaded end is weakly constructed and it has smaller and fewer oil inlet holes, which may restrict flow. I had one of these filters fail in my previous car. The filter element collapsed and bits of filter and glue were circuilating through my system. The oil passge to the head became blocked and the head got so hot from oil starvation that it actually melted the vacuum lines connected to it as well as the wires near it.

[Tricolor72]

Glad I sprung for a Wix filter from summit instead of the free STP filter I got when I bought 5 quarts of oil at autozone:grin:

[BadBrad]

Might as welll just run the oil through old jockey shorts in a tin can! :spank:

In other oil filter news: I just changed the filter and oil on my 2010 Lexus. Toyota has gone to a replaceable element inside a canister that screws onto the block. The dealer informs that this will become the norm in the near future for new cars in that the replaceable element is more friendly for the environment (alegedly).

[1drwgn]

Might as welll just run the oil through old jockey shorts in a tin can! :spank:

In other oil filter news: I just changed the filter and oil on my 2010 Lexus. Toyota has gone to a replaceable element inside a canister that screws onto the block. The dealer informs that this will become the norm in the near future for new cars in that the replaceable element is more friendly for the environment (alegedly).

Yeah but the burning of the vehicle down after getting pissed at the poorly designed filter housing and "wrench" they offer, will not help the environment

[JZRIV]

Nice to see the difference. Picture worth a 1000 words as the cliche goes.

Thanks for posting. Now if only we can get Walmart to start selling Wix!

[BadBrad]

Yeah but the burning of the vehicle down after getting pissed at the poorly designed filter housing and "wrench" they offer, will not help the environment

You got that right. It was a PITA; added four steps (at least).

[Ken Mild]

Nice to see the difference. Picture worth a 1000 words as the cliche goes.

Thanks for posting. Now if only we can get Walmart to start selling Wix!

You don't Walmart carrying ANYthing like this. I can guarantee you if they started to carry Wix that it would only be under the circumstances that Wix manufactured a whole different "Walmart grade" filter. It would NOT be the same quality as the ones in NAPA. Almost everything China mart sells is made to "their" negotiated price and to meet that price the manufacturers actually cut tons of corners to get the contract.

[hwprouty]

CarQuest's premium filters are also made by Wix! FYI!!
Good picture!

[Jim Weise]

I will only mention that your comparing a $4 filter to a $7 one.. prices will vary where and how you buy, but I though I should mention your comparing across price points. Kind of apples and oranges.

I am no fan of Fram anything, but if you go up to their higher line of filters, and cut that one apart, you will find it's very much like the wix.

The point really here is for a single use thing like a filter, always buy the more expensive one, or figure out how to get the more expensive one for the cheaper one's price.

Fleetfilter.com lists the wix 21258 (napa gold 1258) at $4.34 each, in a case quantity. But then of course there is shipping.. which will bring you back up near $6 each probably...

But you get the point, shop around, look for free shipping offers, and local outfits that will hook you up with a good product at the best price you can find.

But if you have to pay retail, don't even bat an eye. A couple extra bucks for an oil filter is nothing to even consider..

If you have more than on GS that is driven regularly, there is no reason on earth to not have a case or two of filters, bought at the right price, sitting on the shelf.

The biggest concern I have is that the BBB filter is starting to disappear from a lot of store shelves, even the chain auto parts guys. Used to be I could walk in and buy one of 3 or 4 different brands, with no real legwork involved, but that's not the case so much anymore.

Case in point, I send a customer home here with a motor recently from the dyno, and just stopped over at the local auto parts store near the dyno shop, to pick up a filter (ran my shop System 1 filter on the dyno). The only choice I had was the PF 25 fram... which works fine as a dust cover, if nothing else.


JW

[Jim Weise]

In other oil filter news: I just changed the filter and oil on my 2010 Lexus. Toyota has gone to a replaceable element inside a canister that screws onto the block. The dealer informs that this will become the norm in the near future for new cars in that the replaceable element is more friendly for the environment (alegedly).

Yup, nothing like the enviro nuts to drag us kicking and screaming back to the pain in the butt cannister oil filters of the first half of the 20th century.


What's next.. ox carts?

:rant:

[BQUICK]

Yeah, it's funny how filters started as canisters 60 some years ago and now alot of cars are going back to them.:Dou:

Looking at that pic it looks like the Fram paper was alot dirtier. Maybe because it filtered more. Years ago, I swore my oil stayed cleaner with a Fram. I talked to someone at the factory when they were in Rhode Island and he said they treat the paper with a neutralizer to combat acid formation He said that's why the oil stayed cleaner longer. Who knows.....

My point is the type and treatment of the media (paper) may make a difference.

[Dale]

Yup, nothing like the enviro nuts to drag us kicking and screaming back to the pain in the butt cannister oil filters of the first half of the 20th century.


What's next.. ox carts?

:rant:

The methane emitted from the Ox will be a problem though. :idea2:

[william.ali.kay]

Dont we have a sticky somewhere titled "FRAM SUCKS"?
If not, we should.

[Poppaluv]

You don't Walmart carrying ANYthing like this. I can guarantee you if they started to carry Wix that it would only be under the circumstances that Wix manufactured a whole different "Walmart grade" filter. It would NOT be the same quality as the ones in NAPA. Almost everything China mart sells is made to "their" negotiated price and to meet that price the manufacturers actually cut tons of corners to get the contract.


Ken is correct on this. I tried to warn my friend that the tv he bought at wally world was NOT the same tv offered at BestBuy for a few $$$ less, but he didn't believe me until it broke. The tech told him the boards are made "dinkyer" and with smaller capaciters that don't last....:Dou:

[bigz]

What cracks me up is reading the car mags and they always have pictures of high dollar engines and I've seen dozens over the years with a Fram filter. You would think somebody who is spending that kind of cash on an engine would pony up a couple of extra bucks for a little added protection.

[BadBrad]

The biggest concern I have is that the BBB filter is starting to disappear from a lot of store shelves, even the chain auto parts guys. Used to be I could walk in and buy one of 3 or 4 different brands, with no real legwork involved, but that's not the case so much anymore.

JW

I had that issue on my last change. Ended up using a Bosch filter as it was all that was available at Autozone other than a Fram. It was a bit pricey but probably very good quality. Next change I'll open it and take a picture. One thing about the Bosch; it is small capacity and looks a little silly on the front of a large engine - not that this matters. When I first saw it and brought it home I was skeptical regarding its likely fitment. But sure enough, it fits.

[JZRIV]

Ken is correct on this. I tried to warn my friend that the tv he bought at wally world was NOT the same tv offered at BestBuy for a few $$$ less, but he didn't believe me until it broke. The tech told him the boards are made "dinkyer" and with smaller capaciters that don't last....:Dou:

Hey I bought a TV at Wally World and it lasted only 4 years! :ball: I bought a computer a couple years later and it didn't work when I plugged it in. We love Walmart for many things but we are learning there are some items you just don't buy there and electronics is one of them. We have suspected its B-class items even if the supplier doesn't tell them it is. Walmart beats the supplier down on price so the supplier, having to still make money, cuts a corner somewhere in quality. At least that seems to be our experience.

[Lucy Fair]

What about AC delco PF 24 DuraGuard?Are they any good or is it another junk?:Do No:

[Ken Mild]

What about AC delco PF 24 DuraGuard?Are they any good or is it another junk?:Do No:

Well, as far as the states go, if it's an AC Delco unit and it comes from Walmart, I STILL wouldn't trust the quality. I agree with JW, why skimp and save $3 on a Failmart filter when you could buy a real filter at NAPA or a parts store or a dealer? It makes no sense. It's not like you're buying 50 of them. If you change your oil 4 times per year, that's $12. I would be willing to bet we piss away $12 a year on much less important things than an oil filter. :Smarty:

[Lucy Fair]

Well, as far as the states go, if it's an AC Delco unit and it comes from Walmart, I STILL wouldn't trust the quality. I agree with JW, why skimp and save $3 on a Failmart filter when you could buy a real filter at NAPA or a parts store or a dealer? It makes no sense. It's not like you're buying 50 of them. If you change your oil 4 times per year, that's $12. I would be willing to bet we piss away $12 a year on much less important things than an oil filter. :Smarty:


Well i have seen places like Wally only at movies... we dont have such stores in Poland.I bought that filter at Official Delco dealer here in Europe.

[Ken Mild]

Well i have seen places like Wally only at movies... we dont have such stores in Poland.I bought that filter at Official Delco dealer here in Europe.

That's what I would go with if I were you. :TU:

[Poppaluv]

Well, as far as the states go, if it's an AC Delco unit and it comes from Walmart, I STILL wouldn't trust the quality. I agree with JW, why skimp and save $3 on a Failmart filter when you could buy a real filter at NAPA or a parts store or a dealer? It makes no sense. It's not like you're buying 50 of them. If you change your oil 4 times per year, that's $12. I would be willing to bet we piss away $12 a year on much less important things than an oil filter. :Smarty:

:gp:


Well i have seen places like Wally only at movies... we dont have such stores in Poland.I bought that filter at Official Delco dealer here in Europe.

don't worry friend. Soon WallMart will annex all of Europe....:rant:

[Ivory67GS400]

Looking at that pic it looks like the Fram paper was alot dirtier. Maybe because it filtered more. Years ago, I swore my oil stayed cleaner with a Fram. I talked to someone at the factory when they were in Rhode Island and he said they treat the paper with a neutralizer to combat acid formation He said that's why the oil stayed cleaner longer. Who knows.....

My point is the type and treatment of the media (paper) may make a difference.

You watch/listen to Faux news don't you? :cool:


In other oil filter news: I just changed the filter and oil on my 2010 Lexus. Toyota has gone to a replaceable element inside a canister that screws onto the block. The dealer informs that this will become the norm in the near future for new cars in that the replaceable element is more friendly for the environment (alegedly).

BMW's have been like that for years

[Poppaluv]

Lotsa trucks have em as well..

[Darryl Roederer]

I posted this on another site I frequent. Read the whole story here:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=295635


A couple weeks ago I posted here about loosing oil pressure in my Dodge P/U 318. It turns out the Fram filter had come apart and a piece of the filter material had lodged in the lifter oil galley. Took me 4 days to get the SOB out of there.

Well, I'v got another Fram disaster on my hands. This tim it's a spin on fuel filter on my diesel truck.

I had some buildup on the inside of my tank, so I ran a couple bottles of diesel clean thru it to clean it out. After about 100 miles, the filter started clogging so I went to the parts store for another. They were out of my usual [WIX] brand, but they did have the fram. It was cheap, so I bought it thinking it would clog within 100 miles also... Spun it on and drove on down the road.

After ~200 miles, it was still going strong, but I was getting a little concerned, so I replaced it a few minutes ago................OMG!

I'm gonna open this thing up and share some pics with y'all. Looking down into it, I can see the metal tube in the center is crushed, and when I shake it, it rattles like a marbel in a mason jar.

I'v got a suspicion that it completely colapsed internally and I'v been sucking dirty un-filtered fuel into the engine.

Think about that. The stock fuel pump drew enough vacuum to implode the filter internally.

That's 2 fram filter failures I'v personally expirenced in a 2 week timespan.

Anybody else have any first hand expirences like mine?

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http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii234/pir8darryl/S7300753.jpg

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii234/pir8darryl/S7300754.jpg

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[Ken Mild]

Pretty scary, no doubt the extra cloggage didn't help but still.....It wasn't up to the task. No surprise. Fram = Sham

[New SBB]

there are lots of comparisons of filters at bobistheoilguy.com. I remember the ones that did well were AC Delco, Purolator, Wix, Motorcraft I think, and of all surprises, Tech 1 from the place we all love to hate, Wallyworld. Fram, however, was not highly thought of.

[TimR]

Problem is everyone wants cheap and buys cheap so now I have to drive clear across town to get decent filters, the only thing stocked by the major chain stores here are Fram (because of course, they are cheap).

Case at a time of WIX for me (only problem there is if you have an issue with a filter 2 years from now there is no warranty, store might not even be there any longer like the last time!)....

[mtdman]

I bought oil and a filter for my truck a couple months ago. The guy at the counter pointed out that the frams were half off or free or something if I bought the big jug of oil, blah blah blah. I told him I wouldn't put a fram on any of my vehicles and he freaked out. I told them they were crap and worse than nothing at all. These guys at the shops don't know, just do what they're told.

[HilbornNailhead]

Wix at cost where I am. Girl at the Napa counter thinks I'm cute :bla:

[Tricolor72]

I let those autoparts stores give me free stuff, I just go to another store and return it:grin::dollar:

[Ken Mild]

(only problem there is if you have an issue with a filter 2 years from now there is no warranty, store might not even be there any longer like the last time!)....

I can honestly say I'm 48 and I have never had an oil filter fail where I needed to utilize a warranty. Now that's not to say they don't fail, I'm sure you grease monkeys out there that change oil 6 times a week have seen failures, but in general with the amount of oil changes the average person makes, it's not likely you'll need to worry about a warranty on an oil filter.

[TimR]

I can honestly say I'm 48 and I have never had an oil filter fail where I needed to utilize a warranty. Now that's not to say they don't fail, I'm sure you grease monkeys out there that change oil 6 times a week have seen failures, but in general with the amount of oil changes the average person makes, it's not likely you'll need to worry about a warranty on an oil filter.

true enough but one time I looked in the filter like I always do before installing it and there was a piece of metal sticking out near the top ...couldn't pull it out, looked to be part of the perforated core that shifted somehow before it got stamp....long story short, store gone, it went in the trash, I'm out the $$. It happens. Not a big deal.

Whats a grease monkey? Nowadays most auto mechanics are more techies than anything else with all the electrical/electronic stuff going on...

[SteeveeDee]

OK, I'll cut apart the Fram filter I've had on my daily driver for 5,000 miles, (when it gets there). I'll bet it doesn't look like the poster boy at the top of the thread. There is no way in reality that that filter got that black in 50 miles on a well-maintained engine, and I'll further stick my finger in the wound and say that I think any other filter in a similar circumstance would look pretty much the same. Parts aren't that much different. I'm not defending Fram, per se, but I'll just take a look-see at the next oil change.

Those diesel fuel filters appear to come from a system contaminated with water. The paper soaks up the water, bloats, and restricts the flow, causing the collapse you see.

Ken Mild, back in the day, I've changed as many as 6 oil filters before lunch. But then, I was a "tech" as they say, NIASE (now it's called ASE) certified.

[paul c]

fram is junk, no surprise. 20 years ago at allied auto in weymouth, ma i saw a display with a fram, wix and an ac delco cut open. the fram looked like notebook paper and the wix + ac looked nice and beefy. they have been that way for a long time.

[Ricardo Booker]

I am 52 and have ran frams all my life, and my father before me. I still run them today, even in my bikes, never had any problems.
I remember my dad rarely changed oil, just added it, and motors ran up in the 6 digits, never blew one up.

[lateralfx]

I always wondered about what oil is the best to use but the oil filter never really crossed my mind..... Thanks for this post, it has really shined some light on a side I never paid attention to. Great post!

[TimR]

OK, I'll cut apart the Fram filter I've had on my daily driver for 5,000 miles, (when it gets there). I'll bet it doesn't look like the poster boy at the top of the thread. There is no way in reality that that filter got that black in 50 miles on a well-maintained engine, and I'll further stick my finger in the wound and say that I think any other filter in a similar circumstance would look pretty much the same. Parts aren't that much different. I'm not defending Fram, per se, but I'll just take a look-see at the next oil change.


I think everyone would like to see the pics, just for the info...:TU:

[Ivory67GS400]

OK, I'll cut apart the Fram filter I've had on my daily driver for 5,000 miles, (when it gets there). I'll bet it doesn't look like the poster boy at the top of the thread. There is no way in reality that that filter got that black in 50 miles on a well-maintained engine, and I'll further stick my finger in the wound and say that I think any other filter in a similar circumstance would look pretty much the same. Parts aren't that much different. I'm not defending Fram, per se, but I'll just take a look-see at the next oil change.


Getting close to 5k miles yet?

[Dylan]

Here's a good link for hard fact comparison on oil filters: http://mechdb.com/index.php/Oil_filter_analysis

Interesting read.

[skierkaj]

Here's a good link for hard fact comparison on oil filters: http://mechdb.com/index.php/Oil_filter_analysis

Interesting read.

Dylan, that is definitely a :gp: !

[Poppaluv]

Oxen will be OK. As long as they don't leave contrails.

James, you meant "chemtrails" right????:laugh:

[DaWildcat]

Here's a good link for hard fact comparison on oil filters: http://mechdb.com/index.php/Oil_filter_analysis

Interesting read.

That info was taken from Russ Knize's original page (http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy.html)which hasn't been updated since 1999. Lord only knows how much each filter's manufacturing methods have changed in the last twelve years, so enjoy the reading with that in mind.

Devon

[SteeveeDee]

Getting close to 5k miles yet?

At about 1000 a month, it's going to be awhile yet. I'll keep this thread in mind, though.

[DavidC77]

Many many years ago I bought a pack of cheapie fitlers at K-Mart. I didn't get much more then 50 or 100 miles on them and the oil light would come on because they were clogged up.

I've been using NAPA Golds for more then 40 years now with no problems. You can buy them in a case lot for cheaper, they just don't have the cardboard box, there wraped in plastic which keeps them cleaner till you use them.

Remember to use good oil also, junk oil with a good filter isn't going to do anything for you but give you a lot of headaches.

[70lark350]

What do u think of Hsatings? I've used them for 25 years with no problems in cars or boats.

[70lark350]

Sorry Hastings not Hsatings. :error:

[DavidC77]

Sorry Hastings not Hsatings. :error:


Either way you spell it :Brow: Hastings is a very good filter also.

[wheeliE-maxx]

Delco filters are now the same as walmart supertech, an "e-core" design. Plastic core and glued on cardboard end caps.. Fram extended guard however has alot of pleats, metal endcaps, and is the same design as a mobil 1 filter.

[TimR]

Delco filters are now the same as walmart supertech, an "e-core" design. Plastic core and glued on cardboard end caps.. Fram extended guard however has alot of pleats, metal endcaps, and is the same design as a mobil 1 filter.

Sources for info?

[Dylan]

I cut open a Fram Tough Guard and it's the same as the standard Fram filter except for the paint. The box advertises a screen on the end spring but it's not there. Big surprise. :rolleyes:

[Crusader101]

Interesting info on the Fram filters....car had one when I purchased it, changed to a Wix filter...knocked on start-up. Tried a NAPA filter, same result. Went back to the Fram and no knock. :Do No:

[DaWildcat]

Interesting info on the Fram filters....car had one when I purchased it, changed to a Wix filter...knocked on start-up. Tried a NAPA filter, same result. Went back to the Fram and no knock. :Do No:

Consider that a filter that allows bigger particulates to pass also flows more oil over a given amount of time as well. How do you know an engine with a worn and tired oiling system isn't made louder by a more restrictive, higher quality filter? Observations like this would have me looking a lot deeper than noting "knocking" between one filter or another. You may have other issues that a high quality filter is trying to show you.

Devon

[wheeliE-maxx]

Tough and extra guard are still crap, you want the extended guard
http : // ls1 . co m /forums/ showthread.php?t=150543&highlight=fram

[rjohns]

So in everyone's opinion what is the best filtering most durable oil filter for a Buick 455?

[greenmachine20]

advance auto parts always has deals that include the mobil filter so I always buy the better oil and filter, anytime im in there and its on sale i buy it. even if i dont need it why not keep em in stock if you can get em on sale...


Sean

[Tricolor72]

advance auto parts always has deals that include the mobil filter so I always buy the better oil and filter, anytime im in there and its on sale i buy it. even if i dont need it why not keep em in stock if you can get em on sale...


Sean

Every time I buy oil at autozone I end up with an stp filter and I never bother to use them. I can't really just return it as that is return fraud and I don't want to use it... I suppose I can call it my emergency filter

[gstewart]

I use wix oil filters and heve for many years.
Interesting note - I was at the local canadian tire store in windsor, and there was a letter posted/taped to the back of a display next to the computer in the parts area that stated, in so many words, that "the use of a fram oil filter does not void the warranty on your automobile". wonder why...

[BuickSmith]

As a maniger at a Napa store, Just to let you guys know that, Napa gold filters are all made by Wix filter Co. Infact
, they are the highest grade of filter that Wix makes. Hence the name gold. I have used lots of filters on lots of cars, including the Hastings, and Fram. Liked the Wix and ac the best for filtration, Hasings has a little better flow rate than the Gold, but about the same as the napa select line. I did use fram on my daily driver for almost a year because of the grippy end,"i don't care for filter wrenches". But saw that the oil would tend to get dirty faster than the wix. So started buying golds buy the case from work, and taping them off and spraying them with truck bed coating. All good again. Tom B. Killdeer ND

[BadEye71]

I always change the oil and filter at the end of the season. I have always used fram filters. When taking the '57 Belair out of the garage to cleanup, I noticed that I had low oil pressure at idle (30 psi) at startup. This has a high pressure, high volume oil pump on it (396 BBC). It typically has about 80 psi until the engine gets warmed up.

Anyway back to the low oil pressure. 30 at startup. When I would rev the engine it would fall off to 10. I checked everything, pulled the distributor, used a prime rod that I made for my drill that directly spins the input shaft on the oil pump. Plenty of pressure that way, but when the car was running, 30 and 10.

After 3 days of tinkering, my buddy suggested getting rid of the fram and putting a high quality filter on it (K & N). Oil pressure was back to normal.

Needless to say the GS got a new filter before startup as well.

Moral of the story..... I will never! never! never! never! never! purchase another Fram filter.

[73Stage1]

I personally use Purolator/Pure One on my daily driver and a K&N on my 455. One thing i noticed on the K&N vs Purolator, STP, and Frame is the K&N is darn near twice as long w/ extra capacity. I bought a box full last fall when Advance Auto Parts had my particular K&N filter on sale for $1.95 a filter :eek2:

[BQUICK]

What K&N number was that? The K&N I run is the same size as the others......

[RUBBERRODDER]

I have a 300 inch v8 in my 65. I am running the turbov6 oil pump spring in the pump body and get 70 psi cold ,30psi hot at idle with 10w30 oil. Iused a fram on it once. NEVER again! Fresh oil change and on fire up, the case seperated. Blew oil all over the driveway. I took it back to,yup, you guessed it, schmucks. Guy at the counter said,"must have been defective". YA THINK?????

[Tricolor72]

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/oilfiltercutter.php

Now I have seen everything

[TimR]

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/oilfiltercutter.php

Now I have seen everything

Do you mean how expensive it is?

[Tricolor72]

Yes, you would think a tool like that would be $20:Do No: I suppose it is a lot better than a hacksaw though

[TimR]

Yes, you would think a tool like that would be $20:Do No: I suppose it is a lot better than a hacksaw though

Well its aviation. In a world of $20,000.00 brakes, $250,000.00 black boxes, $1,000,000.00 blade sets and $55,000,000.00 aircraft 100.00 don't seem like much course we don't have pistons engines either. Hacksaw will fill the inner part with paint and metal filings and contaminate the very filter you are looking at for contamination.

You can buy oil filter cutters for 30.00 at JEGS though which is where I bought mine.:laugh:

[Ken Mild]

Consider that a filter that allows bigger particulates to pass also flows more oil over a given amount of time as well. How do you know an engine with a worn and tired oiling system isn't made louder by a more restrictive, higher quality filter? Observations like this would have me looking a lot deeper than noting "knocking" between one filter or another. You may have other issues that a high quality filter is trying to show you.

Devon

Exactly

[Tricolor72]

Well its aviation. In a world of $20,000.00 brakes, $250,000.00 black boxes, $1,000,000.00 blade sets and $55,000,000.00 aircraft 100.00 don't seem like much course we don't have pistons engines either. Hacksaw will fill the inner part with paint and metal filings and contaminate the very filter you are looking at for contamination.

You can buy oil filter cutters for 30.00 at JEGS though which is where I bought mine.:laugh:

I suppose that is what appeals to me so much about aviation, replacing parts that cost more than my total net worth yet not having to pay a dime of my own to do so. I would imagine high performance engine builders get the same rush:laugh:

I just think its funny that even the design of tools not related directly to the maintenance of an airworthy product or part have 3 times the premium of an automotive equivalent.

[Keith2k455]

I use the Delco for the 455. Everything else I get a purolator...seem to be a good filter and the price is pretty nice.