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John Eberly
11-04-2003, 12:02 PM
Put on your thinking caps guys -

What, if any, parts come to mind as the most rare and valuable in your experience? I'm talking about the stuff that HAS to be in place to authenticate a muscle car, the "bits and pieces" stuff that is harder to find than hen's teeth. The engine or trans or whatever that is SO rare it would start you on an IMMEDIATE cloning project if it were yours.

Lots of folks from different car tribes here - we might find out that those 'ol junk parts in the shed are valuable to somebody else.

So fire away - what would be the coolest thing you could imagine finding?

Casey Marks
11-04-2003, 12:19 PM
Back in the late '80's, I was on a junkyard scavenger hunt in northern Kentucky. Basically a Mopar only outfit. I ended up talking the owner out of a set of NOS Max-Wedge exhaust manifolds. These things had obviously never been bolted on an engine. He had no idea how he even ended up with them. I held onto them for 2 or 3 years, and then put them up for stupid money at Mopar Nationals. Sold real quick. Have never seen as nice of a set since then.

My uncle GAVE AWAY a COMPLETE NOS W-27 Olds aluminum rear end about 10 years ago to a buddy of his. This was a complete rear axle. 5.00 gear. :Dou:

Seems like any original 69 1/2 lift-off hood RR or Bee air cleaners go for some pretty good dough. Also, if you can find an ORIGINAL lift off hood, itself.

7040255 QJets for 70 W-31's have also gotten stupid lately. Anyone that has one, I'll buy it/them. :beer

427 Ford blocks that haven't been blown up seem to command some righteous bucks. Just ask Brian .... :cool:

1970 F85 door panels. If you have access to any of those, in any color, I'll buy those too !! Unique to an F85.

70 gsconvt
11-04-2003, 12:36 PM
I'd love to find the front nose, and rear wing for that matter, to a 1969 Dodge Daytona.

These were in 1970 called the Plymouth Superbird. '69 Daytonas are much rarer. Try and find one for sale. I'm sure somebody will here and post it just to rub my nose in it.

70 gsconvt
11-04-2003, 12:38 PM
Beat you to it. Here's one, for only $150K:

http://www.americandreamcars.com/1969daytona.htm

Mike Wowk
11-04-2003, 02:32 PM
We have a set of 413 LONG RAM manifolds from a Chrysler letter car in the basement. They are the ones that have the passenger side bank of cylinders fed from a carb that sites over the drivers side inner fender and vise-versa for the other side. Not sure what we'll do with them:Do No: Mabey a street rod in our "golden years" Would look real cool with an AFB stickin' out each side of the hood of a 32 Plymouth 5 window coupe:TU: Or perhaps a 500ci LONG RAM WEDGE with throttle body injectors in a D600 4 door ramp truck for hauling to the races:Brow:

12secbee
11-04-2003, 02:46 PM
I had a cast-iron intake for a 383ci 343hp Mopar about 35 years ago and sold it for $35.00. It was a factory inline 2-4bbls setup. about 3 years ago a complete shaker hood with bubble and base went for about $4,500, 2years ago it was between 5 and 6 thou, and I talked to a fellow and he said the real71 cuda hoods and bases are pushing $10,000. A pair of uncut Max-wedge heads complete are near $3,500. Dana Mopar rearends are near $1,500. I totally supply and demand. Thanks Jim

gd2227
11-04-2003, 02:49 PM
Hey Mike,

I just sold a set of those long rams to a guy out in Washington State. Came off a 1962 letter car. I found that if you have the rams, all of the linkage pieces, both Carter carbs, air cleaners, etc.. it'll go for big BIG bucks. The manifolds themselves are currently $500 in change.
Mine were going to go on a 413 wedge in a 1964 Fury Super Stock clone... Until we found a 426 max wedge stage III :Brow:

Good luck on your project!!!

Mike Wowk
11-04-2003, 03:16 PM
Years ago I had a 1966 Charger 383 4 speed that we foung a 383-2X4bbl cast iron intake and put it on with a couple AFB's later when we switched to a 440 we were able to trade a guy for a 413 2X4bbl inline intake and put that on. We couldn't find any air cleaners that would fit the smaller size of the AFB so we got some OVAL air cleaners from a Wisconsin V-4 industrial endine and they fit PERFECT and looked factory. We had guys asking to buy them all the time so I guess they looked like the original air cleaners:Do No:

1971gsx
11-04-2003, 04:07 PM
"D" BB Olds cylinder heads only came on 68-69 W30 and Hurst cars. Good luck trying to find a pair!

Jerseysky66
11-04-2003, 04:16 PM
What about some Buick Stuff????


1966 Buick Skylark NOS Steering Wheel. I can't even find a good condition used one.:Do No: .

Or any of the trim pieces NOS for the same car?
:Do No:

I know the car is not as rare but the parts are super hard to find and this is the Buick site.
Jerseysky66

1966 Skylark Wildcat 375

flynbuick
11-04-2003, 04:22 PM
70 GS passenger side tri shield engraved mirror. Took me several years to find one.

STAGE III
11-04-2003, 05:20 PM
Well,
I can definitely relate to many of these items from having so many different toys over the years.
Had a 413 dual quad car so I know about those cross rams,had the 69 Hurst for the "D" heads info,bought a complete 67 GTO 4:11 rear -end (drum to drum) for $50 bucks from the grass cutters who hauled it out of the original owners back yard who I bought the goat from.That one was rare too a FACTORY 3 on the tree 67 GTO.
My favorite one Jim mentiioned though.
It has been said over the years I am able to find about anything I put my mind to and one day I was faced with the passenger side tri-shield 70 model mirror for my Stage 1 4 speed car (and WHATTA car it was! nicest I've ever owned).
I finally tracked one of the mirrors down for $4oo bucks NOS and the guy (SERIOUSLY) had it "stored" in his underwear drawer:puzzled: Yep, I said underwear:rolleyes:

And Let that be a lesson to anyone trying to hide any parts I need ha ha:Brow:

12secbee
11-04-2003, 05:33 PM
Just talked to another buddy and he said that a Cuda Shaker hood and base and bubble jaut sold for $12,500!!!!:eek2: :eek2: Thanks Jim

Canuck
11-04-2003, 06:56 PM
:puzzled:

Chrysler long Ram intake manifolds can be found, the carbs and special exhaust manifolds are rare.

Olds w-31 and W-30 carbs are scarce and expensive. Ditto for distributors. Bought a wrecked 72 W-30 10 years ago just to get the 1112034 distributor.

Have to say though the rarest part I have ever seen were a pair of factory aluminum headers (manifolds)for a 421 Pontiac Superduty. Saw them at the Portland Oregon Swap Meet April 2002 for $2100. They were mint.

I have heard of people paying $250.00 for an NOS rad cap.

How about $1000 for an NOS Goodyear Polysteel for a 72 Hurst
Olds.

The tops might be $9000 for the manifold and carbs for a 66 Shelby GT350. Thats for the webbers.

LON
11-04-2003, 09:27 PM
I've got a TRI-POWER air cleaner for a Mr. Norm's '70 Demon GSS 340 6-Pack car. When he built these cars he got the intake from Mopar and the carbs from GM:eek2: as the carbs were cheaper from them:Dou: I'm uncertain where the air cleaners came from.

oem6pak
11-04-2003, 11:57 PM
JL-8 rearend, expensive and hard to find.

gd2227
11-05-2003, 05:23 AM
oem6pak: Nice Camaro reference... How about a NOS cross ram (for the DZ302) with carbs and cowl induction baseplate/ air cleaner assembly? I have seen the intake alone sell for a couple of grand... NEVER seen a complete set-up...
Complete Ram Air V (pontiac) engine?

fjr340gts
11-05-2003, 05:34 AM
How about a set of the 1969 Kelsey-Hayes "recall" rims? These were one piece cast aluminum with a pop-in outer trim ring. They were recalled because it was found that either (A) the wheel lugs kept loosening by themselves, or (B) the entire cast center would break out of the rim! A complete set including trim rings and special lug nuts trades in the $3500-$4000 range. They were replaced with similar appearing rims except the outer trim ring was replaced and they just polished the outer rim of the wheel instead. Personally, I think they are ugly rims.

Non-Mopar: 1965 Malibu SS396. I can't wait to see Scott Pennington's in person!

Another rarity would be any 1957 Pontiac with Rochester fuel injection. Saw a 1957 Safari 2 door wagon back in 1977 with this option. Amazing.

SmallHurst
11-05-2003, 05:50 AM
'D' heads for 68-69 H/O and W-30 cars can be found, just going for the paultry sum of about $1500 a pair, or about the same price as a set of Edelbrock Olds heads!:spank:

fjr340gts
11-05-2003, 06:52 AM
Recall rims:

Dave H
11-05-2003, 07:35 AM
This is the Holy Grail for Olds collectors. There were only 54 of these made in the factory (all serialized on the air cleaner) but you could get them over the counter at the dealer as a Trak Pak kit.

Still very rare as 1966 was the only recent year for tripower. Last one I heard of that was for sale (4 years ago), was going for $4500. Haven't seen or heard of one since. 67's look the same on top, but are for the 4 barrel and not quite as rare. Still big bucks, though (like $2k+)

Mike Wowk
11-05-2003, 07:42 AM
Sway bars for 1970 Road Runners can be hard to find.....(on my car:pp )

Donny Brass
11-05-2003, 08:20 AM
How about the prices on small block Chevy oil pans

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2439027750&category=34202&rd=1

leo455
11-05-2003, 05:12 PM
HOW ABOUT THE ALL ALUIMIN:Do No: FRONT ENDS FOR THE PONTIAC AND DODGES. THE ONLY ONE I HAVE EVER SEEN JOHN OSBORNE HAD IT IN THE MID 80'S.

flynbuick
11-05-2003, 05:17 PM
Dave H said:This is the Holy Grail for Olds collectors. There were only 54 of these made in the factory (all serialized on the air cleaner) but you could get them over the counter at the dealer as a Trak Pak kit.

Still very rare as 1966 was the only recent year for tripower. Last one I heard of that was for sale (4 years ago), was going for $4500. Haven't seen or heard of one since. 67's look the same on top, but are for the 4 barrel and not quite as rare. Still big bucks, though (like $2k+)


There are at least 4 1966 manta ray cleaners in NC.

Canuck
11-05-2003, 05:28 PM
Here are some e-bay prices I saw over the past year.

4 NOS trim rings for 14x7 GM wheels $610.00 (still available from GM for about $60.00 ea.)

Underdash 8 track for 70-72 Cutlass $650.00 (now selling for 200-250 range.)

7040255 W-31 Carb $1135.00

7041253 442 and W-30 4 speed carb 1971 $1050.00

NOS Daytona wing $4600.00.

Yenko or COPO XT wheels. $1000 set. Also came on most GM cars with disc brakes i.e 1969 Firebird. 1970 442 and 1971-1972 Cutlass with FE2 option. If hung up on date codes look at the firebirds. XT was not unique to Chev. (I can feel the heat on this one already)

Los of people will also pay over list value for parts they are TOLD are nos ,however are still avilable through GM Resto group or AC Delco. You need to do your homework

:rolleyes:

GTX Joel
11-05-2003, 09:22 PM
The steering wheel on my GTX is the "recall" wheel. They were recalled because ladies were getting their dainty little digits caught in the gaps between the spokes and breaking them or worse.
I have never seen another one on a car. The problem is that they have their own unique center cap, and mine has a Dodge emblem on it. :ball:
I would kill for center cap for a 67 Plymouth recall wheel!:blast:

SmallHurst
11-06-2003, 05:41 AM
Do we want to talk rare or expensive? Have you seen what the price of original Hurst Wheels are going for on evil-bay? Granted, they are cool, but they make the price of those outragious spinning wheels almost seem plausible!:Dou:

Dave H
11-06-2003, 06:53 AM
I think I know where a couple of those are. I've got a set of the original 1966 W30 bumper scoops if you find an aircleaner for the black car. I sure can't afford one.

Dave H
11-06-2003, 06:55 AM
SmallHurst said:Do we want to talk rare or expensive? Have you seen what the price of original Hurst Wheels are going for on evil-bay? Granted, they are cool, but they make the price of those outragious spinning wheels almost seem plausible!:Dou:

Do we need to be reminded of Jeff Sawruk's description of what's rare and what's desirable? :laugh: :laugh:

flynbuick
11-06-2003, 07:54 AM
Dave H said:I think I know where a couple of those are. I've got a set of the original 1966 W30 bumper scoops if you find an aircleaner for the black car. I sure can't afford one.

Did you see where a guy found one that had been on a V8 boat.

oPh
11-06-2003, 11:59 AM
In Pontiac circles, the rarest I've personally owned
-flawless '64 GTO 4 spd consoles
-nos vacuum guages
-nos '65 GTO fenders
-nos '65 Bonneville tailpanel
-nos vacuum tripower pieces (various)
-nos pwr antennae masts
-several sets of Hurst wheels, both 4.75 & 4.5 bolt pattern. nos trim rings for the same. Nice original Hurst wheel shipping "cans"
-near flawless ralley guage set-ups both TI & reg ignition
-'66 & 67 complete TI distributor setups
-'66 GTO AM-FM reverb (complete & worked)
-'67 GTO rocker & door stainless, nos
-'68-70 3.90 & 4.33 geared nodular case HD Safe-t-Track rears
-'68 RAII Firebird exhaust manifolds, D of '68 dates (could pass for nos)
-'68 RA1 stick Firebird Q-jet
-'68 Bird RA complete aircleaner set-up
-'69 RA4 intakes
-'69 RA4 Firebird exhaust manifolds... flawless.
-original '7029273 carbs
-'69 bird stack guages with complete no a/c dash bezel
-'69 Formula wheel with down swept wings emblem for late '69 T/A
-'69 bird AM-FM multiplex, worked fine
'69 GTO convert pass side 1/4 , nos
'70 GTO convert d/s 1/4, nos
-'70 RA4 distributors (originals only stamped one date)
-nos RA cleaner foam ('69-70 GTO's)
-one RA5 distributor
-original style plating, nos '70-71 GTO tailpipe tips
-nos '70-71 non a/c control A-body
-'71 T/A aircleaner, nos
-various sets of really nice date matching '69-71 Judge wheels & '69-72 T/A wheels. Always putting sets together.
-polyglas tires, nos E60-15's, G60-15's, G70-14's
-nos grille trim for my '71 1/2 GT-37, flawless original vinyl flooring for the same. Both of these took long time to find.
-nos untized distributor parts (coils, wiresets, modules)
-nos rear seat consoles, eschuteons, & ashtrays
-nos '77 gold dash bezel SE T/A

Have had some rare Olds & Buick pieces as well as chevy stuff, some examples...
'69 Hurst Olds wheels
'7029246 & '7040246 Stg q-jets
'7040255 & 7040256 "W" q-jets
'72 GS nos aircleaner
nos & perfect used sheetmetal
date matching '68 & '69 dated XT wheels (still have a few singles), '67 date mached DC coded chevy ralleys. Date matched sets of YA's & AO's.
"832" & "837" alternators, anyone need a "837" dated 9E23?

Don't want to even get into what I've run across & couldn't buy as owner would not get off of it.
Really frustrating sometimes. One example would be fellow who had complete '62 SD Pontiac engine in his chicken coop. Original AFB's were dissasembled & parts were in rusty coffee cans :rolleyes:

Roger

SmallHurst
11-06-2003, 12:50 PM
I failed to list some of the "special" items that belong only to the '69 H/O that can be rare to find!

'D' Heads of course were mentioned $1500/ set
The one model only intake, basically an iron version of what became the '70 W-30 aluminium intake $?
The racing mirrors that were only seen on the H/O and the SC/Rambler, about $2000 a set.
The Flapper door lid for the H/O air cleaner (the vacuum motor carries a F%$d part #) about $1500.
The correct 'OH' code Turbo 400 (the only true way to identify a '69 H/O) $?
The big weight distributor that was special to the H/O (can you believe I don't remember the part numbers to some of this stuff)
The above mentioned 15" chrome rim SS II wheels (only the '69 H/O had them) $700- 900 set of 5:sleep:

David Roth
11-06-2003, 03:02 PM
Check these out:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=34209&item=2439523243
:jd: :jd:

scatpacktom
11-06-2003, 04:49 PM
It seems only the 4 3/4 wheels are worth the big bucks.Ive got a set of 4 1/2 wheels I bought from the orig owners son.They are the nicest unrestored wheels I've seen.They came with brand new rings and caps still in the wax paper.I live in Glenside Pa which is where hurst started so its not uncommon to bump into people that worked for hurst.Now that I think about it two of my friends fathers worked for him as well as the guys father I got the wheels from.When my father was young he would hang out at Georges shop.I remember when I was a kid my dad bought a snowmobile off of George,it was his wife Lila's.I remember it was lettered with the big H on the hood with "Lila" on the sides.Years later my dad sold it to a guy at work who took it to his mountin house.A few years later it burned down.What would that be worth?When I was in high school I bought a South Bend lathe out of a rivet shop that used to supply rivets to hurst.Maybe my lathe made the rivets that are in my wheels :laugh:

Duane
11-06-2003, 06:47 PM
I had a complete set-up for a 66 W-30, including linkage, carbs, air cleaner, etc. I took it off a wrecked olds in a junkyard while I was looking for seat patterns. I tried to buy the whole car, but the guy refused to sell it to me. He did charge me $35.00 for it though. Sure would like to find another.
Same yard was using a 66 Mercury Cyclone fiberglass hood as a skid to haul parts around in the snow. I bought the skid too.
Duane

flynbuick
11-06-2003, 06:56 PM
I am ready to deal if you still have it!

David Gramlow
11-06-2003, 07:04 PM
NOS 68/69 Buick console lids are mighty rare, not worth a fortune, but you never see one for sale. And most original ones are cracked.

Duane
11-06-2003, 07:05 PM
Jim,
I sold that set-up for $1800 at Carlisle in 1985. I put it out on the table and it lasted a whole 20 minutes before it was sold. Sorry.
Duane

Dave H
11-07-2003, 07:32 AM
Tripower setup, complete, not detailed..........$2500
W30 Aircleaner........................................ .......$4000
Bumper scoops (originals).............................. $500

That'd be a nice profit on the $35 investment, Duane. I paid $1500 for my tripower about 5 years ago, and we bought the one on Jim Lore's car for $800 about 10 years ago. :TU:

Ever notice how Roger Doehring never leaves his car unattended at the Pure Stock meets? I swear that man never pees. :Brow: :Brow:

Duane
11-07-2003, 07:36 PM
Dave H,
Yeah, that money sure came in handy, I used it to buy parts for my cars.
Sure did hate to leave that car in the junkyard. I was sure it was a W-30, but when I went back for the heads a few weeks later, the car was gone, they said they crushed it. The whole back end was rotted away, they had it sitting in a stream. It's sad how some rare cars end their lives.
Duane

Dave H
11-08-2003, 07:39 AM
If one only knew what they were at the time. I've had the same problem finding very rare cars only to go back a day or two later and they're gone. I came across a 70 W30 in a yard here about 15 years ago that had just come in. Very restorable complete 4 speed car (black, white stripes) needing the usual, but no serious rust and no wreck damage.

We popped the trunk and found a bunch of NOS trim in the wrappers including wheel opening moldings, emblems, grille moldings, etc. still in the GM wrappers.

I got so excited finding that, I forgot about the car. Tore off the wrappings, schlopped the parts around in the greasy, grimy mud unique to boneyards, and bought them all for $5. All went on a car I had at the time.

Went back looking for that car 2 days later and the entire row had been crushed including it. Asked and they said it was there less than a week. :ball: :ball:

Duane
11-08-2003, 08:09 AM
Dave,
Same thing happened to a car a friend of mine had. It was a 67 Chevelle 427 COPO car, yellow with a black bucket seat interior. I wanted that car bad, but it was not for sale. He got into a bad wreck while I was away at a car show. When I got back and heard about the car, I ran to the yard where it was sent. His Dad had it crushed, I got to see a flat yellow car in the pile.
Duane

Mike Kamm
11-10-2003, 05:21 PM
Duane said:Dave,
Same thing happened to a car a friend of mine had. It was a 67 Chevelle 427 COPO car, yellow with a black bucket seat interior. I wanted that car bad, but it was not for sale. He got into a bad wreck while I was away at a car show. When I got back and heard about the car, I ran to the yard where it was sent. His Dad had it crushed, I got to see a flat yellow car in the pile.
Duane These are incredibly interesting accounts. Why do you think these people were in such a hurry to crush these cars? Don't they want to make any money selling parts off of them first? :confused:

Duane
11-10-2003, 06:10 PM
Mike,
There was a history with the COPO car. The kid's father didn't want him to buy it in the first place. After he almost got killed in the car accident the father made sure he "solved" the problem. This happened around 82-83, before muscle cars became big business. To most of the people in central Pa., where I was living at the time, they were just used cars with big engines that kids drove. They were all over the place, and didn't mean anything.

I graduated high school in 1976 in one of the suburbs of Philadelphia, if I could have the cars that we had in the student parking lot then, I could retire a rich man now. We bought these muscle cars for next to nothing. To everyone but us kids, they were used "Gas guzzlers" and nobody wanted them. (The gas crunch was in 73.) The kids in my high school destroyed cars that I don't want to think about today. A group of us went so far as to make a pact. One of the kids had a tow truck, and if you totaled your car we took it home and stripped it. If anyone could use the parts to keep their cars running they were free. That was the price you paid for being stupid enough to total your car. I had a 67 Mustang convertible, my first car. I got so many parts for it I didn't need to buy anything for years. Even changed the complete interior once.

Those were very different times for muscle cars, then they are now. Parts were cheap, and the cars were everywhere.
Duane

buicklawyer
11-10-2003, 07:04 PM
Looked for years and posted everywhere for a W-27 rear. Located some in bad shape but no one would give me a price. Took one in mint condition on trade a couple months ago. One in crate sold at the Olds Nats for $6500.00 . Figure I have 4k in mine . Still glad to have it in the shop.

Still looking for a set of original Hurst Wheels. Ordered repops but I am a sucker for the real things.

Casey , I have the distributor and door pads for the W-31 but they are still attached to the White car. You should see the pads. Gene had them made for the car and they are perfect. :grin: John

leo455
11-10-2003, 07:16 PM
How about Boss 429 heads or sohc motors. Last one I seen the guy wouldn't fire it up until someone gave him 100.00 bucks. Ford man.:rolleyes:

Mike Kamm
11-10-2003, 09:41 PM
leo455 said:How about Boss 429 heads or sohc motors. Last one I seen the guy wouldn't fire it up until someone gave him 100.00 bucks. Ford man.:rolleyes: That is hilarious. :grin: What is it with the Ford owners? Is Ford stuff so incredibly rare that everyone is afraid to race them? :Do No:

ardun53
11-10-2003, 11:25 PM
O.K. Not really muscle car but when was the last time you saw an original set of Ardun heads for sale with the intake? An ad in Hemings couple of months back, guy had three sets complete and only wanted $81,000 (no I'm not kidding) and I bet they sold. Heck repops are $13,000:shock:
and then try and find a hilborn set up to run w/these

Brian Stefina
11-11-2003, 06:42 AM
Mike Kamm said:That is hilarious. :grin: What is it with the Ford owners? Is Ford stuff so incredibly rare that everyone is afraid to race them? :Do No:


.....everyone?

Dave H
11-11-2003, 07:18 AM
Brian Stefina said:.....everyone?

There are those that march to a different drum................

Ardun:

I'll bet that makes a total of only 3 of us that have any idea what you're talking about. You, me, and the Old Guy in Flint. :laugh:

I left a steamer trunk full of old flathead speed goodies in my Dad's garage when I left home for college, but nothing as exotic as a set of Arduns or Hilborn. Mostly Edelbrock, Offenhauser, Sharp, etc. Lots of Stromberg 97's. One of my brothers gave them all away to a friend while I was gone. :ball:

Had converted my 41 convertible from a Merc flathead to an Olds 324 just before I left and other brother filled it up with water in the middle of the winter and fired it up outside. Said he liked the sound of it. Didn't drain it back out, though. End of that one. :ball: :ball:

Donny Brass
11-11-2003, 07:36 AM
Dave H said:There are those that march to a different drum................

Ardun:

I'll bet that makes a total of only 3 of us that have any idea what you're talking about. You, me, and the Old Guy in Flint. :laugh:



Hey, I know what an Ardun head is !!

leo455
11-11-2003, 08:08 AM
I'm not really what happen to the ford guy after I left ( shacking my head and laughing at the loser.). A freind said it was pushed in trailer after everyone left the show. I'm alittle behind on flat head stuff. Is aurbun heads the overhead valve conversion?:Do No:

Mike Kamm
11-11-2003, 08:37 AM
leo455 said:I'm not really what happen to the ford guy after I left ( shacking my head and laughing at the loser.). A freind said it was pushed in trailer after everyone left the show. I'm alittle behind on flat head stuff. Is aurbun heads the overhead valve conversion?:Do No: ...Yup. I was a nostalgia drag racer for many years, that's how I know about them. :pp

Dave H
11-11-2003, 09:48 AM
I can't believe how much that stuff is worth today. I was buying it up for $5, $10, etc. when everyone was converting their cars to small block chevies years ago.

Ardun was the OHV conversion for a flathead. Made them look like an early hemi. Some ran like them, too.

One of the neatest tricks I ever saw on a flathead was how to loosen a stuck cylinder head. Was extremely important for 1948 and older ones with studs rather than bolts like the 49-53. You loosen up all 24 nuts a few truns, then start it up. Pops that baby right up in the air. Lots of aluminum heads ruined by crowbars, BFH's, etc.

We put one back together on a 41 Merc coupe I had with no head gaskets. Spread thick aluminum paint on it like peanutbutter and fired it up. Had to push it to get it going and ran like hell for about 10 seconds. Don't know what let go, but it was exciting. :laugh:

Brian Stefina
11-11-2003, 11:32 AM
Dave H said:There are those that march to a different drum................

Ardun:

I'll bet that makes a total of only 3 of us that have any idea what you're talking about.

Don't bet on it Dave, With all the vintage speed equipment I have / have had I'm suprised you say that. :laugh:

I am definatly suprised you didn't have a story about how you helped Zora ARkus DUNtov design them.:laugh: :moonu:

Dave H
11-11-2003, 12:02 PM
Brian Stefina said: I am definatly suprised you didn't have a story about how you helped Zora ARkus DUNtov design them.:laugh: :moonu:

Good point. That young fart wouldn't listen to me. I told him "Flatheads forever". Damn commies.

:moonu:

LON
11-11-2003, 10:07 PM
about a year and a half ago a set sold somewhere around here for $16,000 at an auction.

Now what I'd really like is if a friend of mine would tell me where the complete fuel-injection set-up is off a 392 Hemi that he knows about and another friend that told me he knows where a 413 Maximum Performance long block is sitting in a garage still in the crate (course this same guy won't move off an injected 392 [complete with tennis balls in the injectors:eek2: ] that he got out of an 80yr guys' garage, but strangely he let the rail it had been in in there:Dou: )

GTX Joel
11-11-2003, 10:30 PM
Hey Lon, I know a guy in CA with a '58 300 that is looking for a fuelie setup. If I remember right, he said he has evidence that his car had the rare factory FI that was recalled and replaced with carbs. If it ever becomes available, please let me know.:TU:

LON
11-12-2003, 05:18 AM
every time I see him he brings it up, the fuelie set-up thing that is:laugh: Hoping to go over to his place this weekend so I'll see what I can pry