Spring 06 Bash Attendance / Trashtalk Thread

[jamyers]

Who all's coming, and how much braggin' you gonna do beforehand?

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I'll be there, and I'm gonna reclaim my title as the:

"World's Fastest 350-powered Big Buick". :Smarty:

(Try saying that with a mouthful of pebbles)

Any other real-sized cars coming, or is everybody bringing those itty-bitty Skylarks and GN's? :Brow:

[TXGS]

I have contacted a few guys I know and hopefully they will be in attendance with their cars:

65 Riv GS 425 dual quad
64 Lesabre
62 skylark

Maybe a few more. :TU:

If you know anymore invite them even if they don't race.... :TU:

[Nicholas Sloop]

As usual, I am in a mad thrash to get my "little" car there. Two 455s in garage, none under hood...
Once I get the motor in the car and running, I still have my transmission problem to deal with. But we are remaining optimistic!! :grin: :Brow: :3gears:

[TXGS]

Good luck on the car Nick! now get to wrenchen (looks like a german word :grin: ).....

[jcamp116]

I'll be there. Can't wait.

[PSmith]

Just dropped a 455 in the skylark today,gonna try and have it ready to go down the track on the 18th....ALL THE WAY down the track,hehe.

Anybody wanna give me some predictions on what this would run

.030 over 455,zero decked,mild bowl work on stage 1 converted heads,MT headers,Lunati 224/234 cam around 512 lift,performer intake,Holley 830 double pumper,I have no Idea what gears are in the rear yet.

Phil,BTW do you remember what series posi that is that you sold me,I want to find some gears for it and need to know if I will need a spacer.

Anybody got some 3 series gears for a 70 8.2?

[TXGS]

Phil,BTW do you remember what series posi that is that you sold me,I want to find some gears for it and need to know if I will need a spacer.

Patrick you will have to do a little looking I am not sure where to get the ring and pinion sets for these. You may need to talk to roger- (OPH) on this board and see if he has any ideas.

Look foward to seeing everyone there.

[Nicholas Sloop]

Just dropped a 455 in the skylark today,gonna try and have it ready to go down the track on the 18th....ALL THE WAY down the track,hehe.

Anybody wanna give me some predictions on what this would run

.030 over 455,zero decked,mild bowl work on stage 1 converted heads,MT headers,Lunati 224/234 cam around 512 lift,performer intake,Holley 830 double pumper,I have no Idea what gears are in the rear yet.

Phil,BTW do you remember what series posi that is that you sold me,I want to find some gears for it and need to know if I will need a spacer.

Anybody got some 3 series gears for a 70 8.2?

With a posi and good tires I'd guess high 12s out the box and mid 12s after some tuning

[PSmith]

With a posi and good tires I'd guess high 12s out the box and mid 12s after some tuning


Cool,thats what I was guessing.I hope it doesn't let me down.

[VKohanski]

James,

I'm planning to make it this time and bring the boat. I'm pretty sure it'll make it all the way down the track, so should be good to go here.

Sort of like my golf game, though, I figure the longer it takes you to get down the track (or the more strokes), the longer you get to enjoy the enjoyable.

Oh, wait... this is a trash-talk thread... hmmmm...

I'll boldly challenge any other blue, w/white interior, original motor, peg-leg, 150k miles, '72 Centurion convt.... that should buy me a little room.

[VKohanski]

I WILL be willing to sign up for team shifts to keep an eye on the cars in the hotel parking lot, if people want to do that. I don't want a single person to head back a couple tons lighter than when they came. I hadn't heard of an incident in Temple, but saw posts on a few others.

If James has any ammo left after Lightning huntin' - we can use that.

[TXGS]

Victor that sounds like a good idea. I will pull a shift. :beer

[e.j.howe]

Phil, are the olds guys coming this time? I think they had a good time at the last event.
EJ.

[VKohanski]

That will require plenty of cold beverages...

Oh, cool, Olds-people. Any big-iron in the bunch? An 88 convt?... then we'd just need a Bonneville convt...

[TXGS]

We will have a few olds guys there! :TU:

[napier]

I did not do a mass campaign to get the Olds folks together. I will save that for the fall/winter event.

I will be there with my car. There may be some other random people show up though.

Ben

[TXGS]

Ben, Please pass the word to the olds guys. You guys are like family "redheaded stepchild like" This is one case where child beating is tolerable :spank:

[napier]

I will put a note on the Austin Olds listserve. However, I am pretty sure that Patton and I are the only ones on that list that are into the racing side of things.

As far as any beatings go, I am certain that you will not be doing any as it takes a running car to do that :Do No:. I will also predict, that if I line up against Dee, and her car stalls, then I will spank the hell out of a Buick :laugh:.

Ben

[TXGS]

Thats just like an olds guy go after the easy pickings, the guy running the event that is bringing a friends car and dee the lady with car issues. Why don't you pick on the guy who's street car ran 9.74 that would be a good starting point for you to dream.... :laugh:

And now back to your crack smoking channel! :eek2:

[TXGS]

FYI ben- There will be a Chevy powered Olds there for you. You should race him for olds bragging rights. :TU:

[napier]

All right, I just took a hit off the crack pipe (below), and am only dreaming of breaking into the 12s. Must need a bigger pipe.

Your turn for a hit.

[Regal1]

:rant: I beat ya bad just give me half track and I'll show ya! :3gears:

[TXGS]

Must need a bigger pipe.

No Ben I think you got it covered it looks like the cheech and chong of crack pipes for you :laugh:

[austingta]

That will require plenty of cold beverages...

Oh, cool, Olds-people. Any big-iron in the bunch? An 88 convt?... then we'd just need a Bonneville convt...

Cold beverages? Did I hear cold beverages?

Now yer talkin'!

:beer :beer :beer

[70 Skylark Conv]

I will put a note on the Austin Olds listserve. However, I am pretty sure that Patton and I are the only ones on that list that are into the racing side of things.

As far as any beatings go, I am certain that you will not be doing any as it takes a running car to do that :Do No:. I will also predict, that if I line up against Dee, and her car stalls, then I will spank the hell out of a Buick :laugh:.

Ben

I'm not saying nothing.....but....I did take a little test run in the GS last night and I think I need some new tires on the back (hint, hint). Think I might buy me some slicks! :Brow:

Going to the 1/8th mile tonight with my friend's tuning equipment hooked up to it. So far the numbers look good.

[70 Skylark Conv]

:rant: I beat ya bad just give me half track and I'll show ya! :3gears:

Did I hear half track???? :Dou: :laugh:

[TXGS]

Dee, Let us know how everything turns out. :3gears:

[70 Skylark Conv]

Dee, Let us know how everything turns out. :3gears:

You'll find out soon enough!!!! So will David, Ben, and especially Carl Brimer (see attached list of participants that Carl started - he purposely misspelled my last name). :moonu: :moonu: :moonu: :3gears: :3gears: :3gears:

Add your name
if you have been missed.

Dee Horshack - with car
David Newton - with car
Rick Kinworthy - with car
Ron Britton - with car
Carl Brimer - with car
Mitch Smith - ?
Greg Kring - ?
John Martin - ?
Rob Downey - ?

Carl Brimer
LSPBC News

[jamyers]

...Sort of like my golf game, though, I figure the longer it takes you to get down the track (or the more strokes), the longer you get to enjoy the enjoyable...
ABSOLUTELY!!! :laugh:

So everybody's up for cold beverages halfway down the track? :Brow: Or am I mis-reading things? :Brow:

[70 Skylark Conv]

ABSOLUTELY!!! :laugh:

So everybody's up for cold beverages halfway down the track? :Brow: Or am I mis-reading things? :Brow:

I'm not sure, but the main words I see in this post are strokes and enjoy/able. :shock: Does anyone see the same thing? :Do No:

Don't see beverage anywhere in it! :Dou: :laugh: :laugh:

Originally Posted by VKohanski
...Sort of like my golf game, though, I figure the longer it takes you to get down the track (or the more strokes), the longer you get to enjoy the enjoyable...

[70 Skylark Conv]

Dee, Let us know how everything turns out. :3gears:

I had one good tire boiling session :3gears: on a deserted city street with no problems except for almost getting busted by the cops.

Did the drive down, turn around thing, no cops in sight. After boiling off the tires really good, and a good clean run with no problems, I was excited and slowed the car down pronto. But guess who was waiting for me on the other side of the hill? :eek2: :ball:

It was a dead give-away that something was going on because we had the wire for the computer running from the exhaust up the door and through the window. :Dou:

He followed me for a good long way (probably running my plate). All of a sudden he sped up and flew past me. Nothing like a great heart in throat moment! :shock:

Went to the Denton track Friday and it was closed due to vandalism. Tried my own 1/4 mi. run down the service road and had the same problem happen. Got on it 2 more times with no problem. :Do No: :Do No: :Do No:

So the GS might not be going to Temple this time since gas prices are high and I don't want to spend all that money on gas if the car is going to crap out on me.

That's the update! :ball:

[napier]

Mixed results, but a failure nonetheless :Dou:. Sorry to hear the ignition upgrade did not do the trick. At least you did not get a ticket to really get you mad.

If it makes you feel any better, I am still having fuel issues with mine, even with the electric pump :rolleyes:. Fortunately, mine works well for short periods, but longevity is an issue for longer drives. So, I will be crossing my fingers that it makes the 1+ hr drive to Temple.

Ben

[carguy455]

Not glad to hear that you two are having troubles , but we are chasing the same issues up here in the north with my Cutlass and a friends Special , ignition, and fuel issues.....We feel totally STUPID not being able to cure these issues on almost FORTY year old cars with FORTY year old technology but alas, we are perplexed......one falls flat on its face just after launch, other breaks up on launch....and we have tried EVERYTHING and ANYTHING.......it makes it more frustrating when you are trying to get it solved soon before a race....so my sympathy goes out to both of you, thats frustrating stuff !!!!! :Dou:

Last week I solved a computer issue on an 05 Chevy truck...but I cannot get my Cutlass to stop gagging...........Arrgh ! :spank:

[70 Skylark Conv]

Mixed results, but a failure nonetheless :Dou:. Sorry to hear the ignition upgrade did not do the trick. At least you did not get a ticket to really get you mad.

If it makes you feel any better, I am still having fuel issues with mine, even with the electric pump :rolleyes:. Fortunately, mine works well for short periods, but longevity is an issue for longer drives. So, I will be crossing my fingers that it makes the 1+ hr drive to Temple.

Ben

That sucks!!!!!! :af: :af: :af: After all of that and you still have a problem? :af: :af: :af: :af: :af:

The ignition upgrades did a world of good. Just didn't fix the problem. It was money well spent. :beer

The good run is where I met Mr. Johnny Law and the car wasn't completely up to temp. yet. Just a short drive from home.

Do any of your fuel lines come close to hot areas like the radiator hose, intake, water pump, etc.?

I covered mine with rubber fuel line and stuck an extra piece inbetween the really hot areas. Haven't took it out for a run yet since I have to drive about 20 miles up the road and preferrably after dark to try to find a safe spot. I drive a vehicle for work, so I can't get a bad ticket like exhibition of acceleration. Might loose my job. :ball:

[70 Skylark Conv]

Not glad to hear that you two are having troubles , but we are chasing the same issues up here in the north with my Cutlass and a friends Special , ignition, and fuel issues.....We feel totally STUPID not being able to cure these issues on almost FORTY year old cars with FORTY year old technology but alas, we are perplexed......one falls flat on its face just after launch, other breaks up on launch....and we have tried EVERYTHING and ANYTHING.......it makes it more frustrating when you are trying to get it solved soon before a race....so my sympathy goes out to both of you, thats frustrating stuff !!!!! :Dou:

Last week I solved a computer issue on an 05 Chevy truck...but I cannot get my Cutlass to stop gagging...........Arrgh ! :spank:

My friend made a special trip from Austin just to help me tune my car with his Innovate LM-1 Wideband O2 meter. Car was tuned perfectly (dang thought I could get some gas mileage out of it) but came up with some interesting readings while the car was "gagging" AND not "gagging" up.

It's got to be a vaporlock issue since it seems to do it the most when the car is warm, like before the coolant gets hot or the thermostat opens and lets water through the upper radiator hose and heater hose where the fuel line touches these areas.

I don't want to go Ben's way of installing electric pump yet now that I know he is still having problems! :Dou: Sorry Ben! :ball:

Someone has got to be able to help us!!!! :ball: :beer :ball:

[70 Skylark Conv]

:rant: I beat ya bad just give me half track and I'll show ya! :3gears:

Here's some inside info. on David. Don't repeat this now.

It's been said that I don't go "all the way". :Brow: I heard recently that David doesn't go "all the way" either and falls on his face 1/2 way through. :laugh:

Half track huh David???? :Brow: :Brow: That's about all you need!!!!! :shock: :laugh:

[carguy455]

My friend made a special trip from Austin just to help me tune my car with his Innovate LM-1 Wideband O2 meter. Car was tuned perfectly (dang thought I could get some gas mileage out of it) but came up with some interesting readings while the car was "gagging" AND not "gagging" up.

It's got to be a vaporlock issue since it seems to do it the most when the car is warm, like before the coolant gets hot or the thermostat opens and lets water through the upper radiator hose and heater hose where the fuel line touches these areas.

I don't want to go Ben's way of installing electric pump yet now that I know he is still having problems! :Dou: Sorry Ben! :ball:

Someone has got to be able to help us!!!! :ball: :beer :ball:

Well on my Olds we first thought fuel supply, dropped the tank and found the curve on the fuel line "Might" have been drawing a little air, maybe enough to cause a problem on hard acceleration, so fixed that AND new sock in the tank, all checked out etc......no go...THEN, checked fuel pressure, seemed fine, BUT decided to go with LARGER fuel line from tank...that made a difference, but problem still present....SO then replaced 3 different fuel pumps [mechanical ] not any real difference......checked out carb[3 different ones]...tried several combinations, timming, ignition, etc etc etc.... :Dou:

Now thinking MAAYYYYYBBEE its the fuel pump excentric...so planning on ripping the friggin engine out since I didnt build that one, go right back through all of it...good excuse to put an even more ignorant cam in it and replace my Hayes street/strip Borg and Beck "kneecap breaker" with a Centerforce Dual friction and upgrade the motor mounts....I too am avoiding the electric pump for some reason, maybe try one temp and try fuel pressure gauge where you can read it to see if it makes any difference ????? :Do No:

Luckily up here in "da woods" I have plenty of places for clandestine test drives ....just have no extra $$$$ due to low incomes in the area....its always some'tin isnt it ??? :pp

Do YOU have any more ideas ??? :confused:

[TXGS]

Dee what was the outcome when you tested Nicks Carb? What size carb are you running now? and What type.

Phil

[jamyers]

Man, Dee - you're getting vapor lock while at wot? Man that sounds odd...Hmm...I'll pass this along to my brother-in-law the maintenance guru...

If that's the case, at least you've narrowed it down to some point between the pump and the carb...wonder if you've got a restriction in the inlet line? I forget - have you swapped fuel pumps? I'll bring my Stage 1 fuel pump to Temple just for fun.

[70 Skylark Conv]

Well on my Olds we first thought fuel supply, dropped the tank and found the curve on the fuel line "Might" have been drawing a little air, maybe enough to cause a problem on hard acceleration, so fixed that AND new sock in the tank, all checked out etc......no go...THEN, checked fuel pressure, seemed fine, BUT decided to go with LARGER fuel line from tank...that made a difference, but problem still present....SO then replaced 3 different fuel pumps [mechanical ] not any real difference......checked out carb[3 different ones]...tried several combinations, timming, ignition, etc etc etc.... :Dou:

Now thinking MAAYYYYYBBEE its the fuel pump excentric...so planning on ripping the friggin engine out since I didnt build that one, go right back through all of it...good excuse to put an even more ignorant cam in it and replace my Hayes street/strip Borg and Beck "kneecap breaker" with a Centerforce Dual friction and upgrade the motor mounts....I too am avoiding the electric pump for some reason, maybe try one temp and try fuel pressure gauge where you can read it to see if it makes any difference ????? :Do No:

Luckily up here in "da woods" I have plenty of places for clandestine test drives ....just have no extra $$$$ due to low incomes in the area....its always some'tin isnt it ??? :pp

Do YOU have any more ideas ??? :confused:

Okay, dumb girl question: What is the fuel pump excentric? I probably know what you are talking about but don't know the name.

My idea is vapor lock. I'll just give up if that's not the problem.

I also need to find one of those plates you put under the carb to keep it cooler. What's that called? :Do No: :Dou:

[70 Skylark Conv]

Dee what was the outcome when you tested Nicks Carb? What size carb are you running now? and What type.

Phil

Same carb. Mark Metdker was running on it. Can't remember if it's a 750 or 800 Edelbrock. I'll have to look again when I get home.

Had the same problem with Nick's carb on it. Had great throttle response (it would really hop when you kicked the gas). Still tried to die.

Gets worse the warmer the car gets.

[TXGS]

The first two things that pop in my head when tempature increases is one Vapor lock the other is the ignition coil overheating. You said you worked on the ignition what did you work on?

[70 Skylark Conv]

Man, Dee - you're getting vapor lock while at wot? Man that sounds odd...Hmm...I'll pass this along to my brother-in-law the maintenance guru...

If that's the case, at least you've narrowed it down to some point between the pump and the carb...wonder if you've got a restriction in the inlet line? I forget - have you swapped fuel pumps? I'll bring my Stage 1 fuel pump to Temple just for fun.

At WOT from a stop or near stop with a full tank of gas and no sock and no dented gas tank. New fuel pump, filter, carb is showing to have correct fuel/air ratio. It does it after it shifts to 2nd and is around 2-2.5k rpm.

Before I did the MSD distributor upgrade, the car seemed to shift short from 1st to 2nd like at 3-4k rpm. Now it shifts correctly at about 5k rpm. What gives? Not complaining, it is working great now. Great response compared to what I had before. Car was dead before.

I'll have a graph from my friend's testing if your guru needs it. Let me know.

[70 Skylark Conv]

The first two things that pop in my head when tempature increases is one Vapor lock the other is the ignition coil overheating. You said you worked on the ignition what did you work on?

Yep, got rid of the external coil and got everything under the cap. New module, rotor, cap, etc. Runs a lot better now.

I pulled the deck thing (what is it called?) down out of the attic. It's a Year One I bought back in '88. I has the speaker holes under the mesh and is still in it's plastic wrapper and box. It's in perfect brand new condition. If I can't fit it in the car in the box, do you mind if it's out of the box?

[TXGS]

However it makes it there is fine Dee, as long as it is not in pieces.

Did you replace the External coil?

[70 Skylark Conv]

However it makes it there is fine Dee, as long as it is not in pieces.

Did you replace the External coil?

We'll negotiate price when I get it there and you see how beautiful it is!!!! :Dou: :laugh:

Got rid of the external coil. There is plenty of room between the distributor and everything else, so the coil in the cap shouldn't be getting hot.

Mark was running the car with the external coil sitting on the intake!!!! Supposed it was running (from what I could see in an old pic. from Temple) 13.3 dial-in with it sitting there!!!!

[jamyers]

The GM in-cap coils do tend to get hot, all bundled up inside the cap like they are...might be yours is a weak one. If you want, we can swap my HEI coil for yours and see what happens.

Sure, if you could email me the chart, I'll pass it along. jblkmyers at sbcglobal.net

[carguy455]

Okay, dumb girl question: What is the fuel pump excentric? I probably know what you are talking about but don't know the name.

My idea is vapor lock. I'll just give up if that's not the problem.

I also need to find one of those plates you put under the carb to keep it cooler. What's that called? :Do No: :Dou:

The fuel pump "eccentric" [ I misspelled it ] is basically a lop sided wheel on the end of the camshaft between the timing chain upper gear and the distributor drive gear on the 350/455 Buick engines [ Olds engines have the eccentric in front of the upper gear without anything else in front of it, since Olds distributors are in the rear of the engine]. Age and miles eventually will wear a groove in this wheel so the fuel pump does not get enough "throw" which will cause a loss of fuel pressure. Years ago when I rebuilt my 403 Olds the eccentric on that engine had a HUGE groove worn in it, yet it ran strong with no problems, of course once I rebuilt it and replaced everything it ran MUCH better.. I had a Buick 350 wear an eccentric too , but only discovered it due to ruining the stock timming chain's "nylon" upper gear, never noticed a lack of fuel pressure....every stock Buick engine I got when I was younger usually lost the nylon teeth on the timming gear within a matter of weeks/months! I learned to just replace then with steel before I even tried to drive them every day. So it "might" have a groove worn in it, or it may not. If you replace the fuel pump again, look inside the engine and hand turn the engine over and see if the surface of the "wheel" that the fuel pump arm rides on is smooth or has a groove worn in it.

What you were thinking of for your carb is a "spacer" , generally used to keep the carb further away from the intake to keep the fuel cooler and/or to make the length of the intake "runner" longer. Are you running a vented gas cap?? If it really IS vapor lock that can help.

[carguy455]

At WOT from a stop or near stop with a full tank of gas and no sock and no dented gas tank. New fuel pump, filter, carb is showing to have correct fuel/air ratio. It does it after it shifts to 2nd and is around 2-2.5k rpm.

Before I did the MSD distributor upgrade, the car seemed to shift short from 1st to 2nd like at 3-4k rpm. Now it shifts correctly at about 5k rpm. What gives? Not complaining, it is working great now. Great response compared to what I had before. Car was dead before.

I'll have a graph from my friend's testing if your guru needs it. Let me know.

Maybe vacuum advance was screwed up before and causing different vacuum pressure on the transmission modulator [ an auto right? ]

[carguy455]

I just thought of another one....You said it shifts different now, and its a turbo 400/....I had a shift modulator go bad on a TH400 in a Pontiac I had, It would shift good cold , then as it got warmer the engine ran crappy and the shifts sucked, eventually the worse it got it was sucking transmission fluid THROUGH it and up into the intake manifold [ shift modulator on a TH400 runs on vacuum from the engine ]....I didnt figure it out until the smoke started pouring out of the engine from the Trans fluid getting into my intake !!!!

Get under the car and pull the little rubber vacuum hose off the round modulator on the side of your transmission, if transmission fluid drips out, replace it !!!!! :TU:

[70 Skylark Conv]

I just thought of another one....You said it shifts different now, and its a turbo 400/....I had a shift modulator go bad on a TH400 in a Pontiac I had, It would shift good cold , then as it got warmer the engine ran crappy and the shifts sucked, eventually the worse it got it was sucking transmission fluid THROUGH it and up into the intake manifold [ shift modulator on a TH400 runs on vacuum from the engine ]....I didnt figure it out until the smoke started pouring out of the engine from the Trans fluid getting into my intake !!!!

Get under the car and pull the little rubber vacuum hose off the round modulator on the side of your transmission, if transmission fluid drips out, replace it !!!!! :TU:

After I did the MSD distributor kit (in cap coil, module, cap, rotor, no new vacuum advance), it seemed like the car didn't short-shift anymore. It use to shift-short from 1st to second like at about 4-4.5 rpm. Now it'll keep going up to about 5-5.5 rpm where I need it. It's a T350. I'm happy with the shifting now.

The engine was rebuilt I think in '01-02 and doesn't have that many miles on it as far as I know. Previous owner did race it.

When I pulled the pump last time, I looked up in the hole and saw nothing that caught my eye like a groove, etc. The pump arm was hitting the timing bolts, so had to shave it down a little.

[carguy455]

"The pump arm was hitting the timing bolts, so had to shave it down a little."


I never ran into that one, hmmm a new one on me..... :Do No:

TH350 behind a 455...very nice !! Lighter, and crisper shifts I think....

Guess everyone will have to keep thinking....like you said ..SOMEBODY out here must be able to help ?? :confused:

-G- :rolleyes:

[Nicholas Sloop]

"The pump arm was hitting the timing bolts, so had to shave it down a little."


I never ran into that one, hmmm a new one on me..... :Do No:


Very common when going to a double roller timing chain.

Dee--I will have spare everything with me. We WILL get it sorted out. Don't you dare wimp out and show up without a Buick!!!!!

[napier]

Dee -- I have an Edelbrock heat isolator gasket that I am not using. Its a real thick gasket for between the carb and intake. I will try to remember to bring it as I have no use for it.

Ben

[TXGS]

Way to go guys! Thats what I like to hear friends helping one another! :beer

[1970GS455]

Everybody have fun, and hope everybody runs well. I will be in Daytona Beach :bglasses: for the week,(leaving in about 3 hours) but will be thinking about our Texas pride Buicks.

Have a BLAST! :beer

[carguy455]

Y'all make sure to post plenty of PICTURES for all of us stuck up north in the rainy snowy cold that are MONTHS away from getting to take our cars out and play !!! We ARE jealous but happy for ya ! :TU:

[jamyers]

Woo Hoo!!! 4 more days!!!

:Brow: :3gears:

[70 Skylark Conv]

Very common when going to a double roller timing chain.

Dee--I will have spare everything with me. We WILL get it sorted out. Don't you dare wimp out and show up without a Buick!!!!!

The car is a mess. The whole car is dirty, it's not running good, gas is up to $2.60 a gallon, I don't have a hotel room, I don't want to drive 60 mph or less the whole way, I'm tired of working on the car every night and not getting any sleep, yada, yada, yada. :ball:

Anyone want to trailer it for me? :Brow:

Think I'll just wimp out and jump in the econo-box or the TA. :Dou:

Not sure if I have a double roller chain. Looked and felt around, but couldn't tell.

[jamyers]

...Think I'll just wimp out and jump in the econo-box or the TA. :Dou: ...
Dee, don't MAKE me get like this guy: :rant: !!!

:laugh:

[70 Skylark Conv]

Dee, don't MAKE me get like this guy: :rant: !!!

:laugh:

I feel like this guy: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

$70 for a motel room, $100 (edit) for gas, $30 to race....that's a lot of $$$$ just to go out there a 4th time to do this.... :3gears: :3gears: :moonu:

[carguy455]

I feel like this guy: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

$70 for a motel room, $100 (edit) for gas, $30 to race....that's a lot of $$$$ just to go out there a 4th time to do this.... :3gears: :3gears: :moonu:

When we goto Conneticut its $140 for a room ! about $160 for gas [ at least ] and I think its about $30 to race, $10 to watch....

I need to move !

[stage2man]

Dee, I hope you bring the car. I'd like to take a crack at this problem.

Our plans as of today is to bring the Regal, Leaver and a 65 chevy for sunday. I know, chevy! but it runs mid 9s and has been track camp at temple. The car thinks its a buick.

We find ourselves on trailer short again this year. Hopefully we can bring Leaver again (blue 70' stage1 car with stage2 power).

I know alot of you have heard about the 'X' but we are not bringing it. Not a show event.

So, if we can get the trailer we have:

BBB 85' regal
"Leaver" stage2 car
65 malibu "Touch of Class"

David Atkinson
David Doty
Jeff Hika
Ed Mensville "bubba" - Last years champ, 2002 Nat's regal champ, Navasota street car champ.

[TXGS]

Awesome David see ya on saturday!

[jamyers]

I feel like this guy: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

$70 for a motel room, $100 (edit) for gas, $30 to race....that's a lot of $$$$ just to go out there a 4th time to do this.... :3gears: :3gears: :moonu:
Hmm...that's $170. Cheaper than taking your car to a shop, and where else you gonna get such a motivated bunch of competent wrenches to help solve it? :Smarty: :Brow: :bglasses:

And be able to stand back and watch the fun? :laugh:

[jcamp116]

Check out what I got today.... :Brow:

Should be fun. :beer

[Regal1]

I feel like this guy: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

$70 for a motel room, $100 (edit) for gas, $30 to race....that's a lot of $$$$ just to go out there a 4th time to do this.... :3gears: :3gears: :moonu:

Dee, if you have problems there I can always trailer your car back. You would have to drive my 72 back though.

[Regal1]

Check out what I got today.... :Brow:

Should be fun. :beer


Very nice!

I will be bringing two sets of drag tires for my car. I have a pair of 26in ET Drags and a set of 28in MT Drag Radials.

Was going to try out both someone is welcome to use the set that I don't.

[gsman66]

Check out what I got today.... :Brow:

Should be fun. :beer

Bet those would fit on the '66 real well...

Too bad we'll be coming in the truck, or I'd help you break 'em in on Friday. :3gears:

[carguy455]

Dont forget to take plenty of PICTURES folks !!!!!!!!!!

:TU: :TU: :TU:

[70 Skylark Conv]

IN REALLY SCREWING UP THE CAR NOW! :af: :af: :af:

Here's what's been done:

1) New fuel pump.
2) Several new fuel filters
3) Tried different carb.
4) Dropped tank, cleaned it out, took sock off pick up.
5) Removed external coil and did a distributor kit with new coil, module, cap, rotor, etc. on it.
6) Wrapped metal fuel lines in rubber fuel lines and put "spacer" pieces of fuel line between all heat sources. Haven't tested car
since I did this.

Car seems to run better and better times when cool. I had no
problem running the 1/8 mi. when it was around freezing outside
early December. Friday night did a test run up the service road
after the car had been driven, sitting running, and hot. Started
to surge at 6 seconds. Right after that, going normal speed I got on
it getting on the highway, no problem. A few miles down the road, I
pulled off on the shoulder, came to almost a complete stop and
then got on it again like I was racing, and NO problem.

This is what happened last night:

It's worse now that I wrapped the fuel lines in rubber line. I also replaced the rubber fuel line between the metal line and the fuel pump last night.

I took it all the way to Sanger to TNT on the service roads (20 miles from home). First run in the same place it started surging last week proved NO surging (whoopie). Couldn't get it to surge after several attempts but I could barely feel a little miss (maybe my imagination?). I checked the ignition wire on the distributor and it looked okay and still plugged in. Started maybe feeling a little cutting out but not bad.

Pulled over and stuck a "spacer" piece of fuel line between the radiator hose and the distributor. This seemed to make the car very mad. It cut out all the way home. It would idle okay (maybe a little miss) and seemed to still have power when I would give it gas, but regular driving, it cut out (seems a little different than the surge). The car shows to be running cool, but the temp. gauge (mechanical) starts to mess up whenever the ignition wire gets too close to it or something. We (GS and I) limped all the way home.

So Buick doctors, please give me some more advice. The car does not go to the shop and I do all the work myself with no help, so I'm begging for help now. Looks like I'm not going to make it to Temple with a car this time. :ball:

3 times to our Buick Bash in Temple and every time bad runs. Car has not made a 1/4 mi. run in the 3 years I have owned it. I would hate to have to become a soccer mom because I can't run with the big Buick boys (BBB). :ball:

[70 Skylark Conv]

Dee, if you have problems there I can always trailer your car back. You would have to drive my 72 back though.

If I had the chance to drive your car, I'd show you how it should be driven!!!! :3gears: :3gears: :3gears: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I'd love to drive a car that doesn't die on me! :Dou: :laugh:

PS From my other post, bet you can guess the GS won't even make it to Temple now. Thank you for the offer of your trailer though! You take such good care of me! :TU: :beer

[Nicholas Sloop]

Dee-- sounds like you may have unseated the distributor cap when you added the spacer. No other reason why a piece of hose next to the distributor would make a difference.
Like James said, there is no better opportunity to get the car right, with the best Buick (and Olds) minds in Texas there to trouble shoot, and spare parts galore.
Put things back to where it runs right for driving, and get it down to Temple. I will have spare fuel pump (non-Stage), James should have a Stage pump, I will have a spare Q-jet and probably several spare distributor/ignition set-ups (HEI and points.)

Like James said, don't make me :rant:

[Nicholas Sloop]

Update on the Burgundy GS

New motor is in and runs well. Oils pressure is great! It is running a little hot, but only heats up at stoplights, so even if I don't get that sorted out by Saturdday, it shouldn't be an issue in the highway drive to Temple.
On the trans issues I checked the modulator with the vacuum pump and it checked out fine. (As expected; part-throtle shifts have never been a problem.) Pulled a governor out of a 70 Electra trans and just need to stab that in. Hope that solves the problem...
Hoping to FINALLY run a 13 at Temple!

[70 Skylark Conv]

Dee-- sounds like you may have unseated the distributor cap when you added the spacer. No other reason why a piece of hose next to the distributor would make a difference.
Like James said, there is no better opportunity to get the car right, with the best Buick (and Olds) minds in Texas there to trouble shoot, and spare parts galore.
Put things back to where it runs right for driving, and get it down to Temple. I will have spare fuel pump (non-Stage), James should have a Stage pump, I will have a spare Q-jet and probably several spare distributor/ignition set-ups (HEI and points.)

Like James said, don't make me :rant:

Cap is fine and tight. I just pissed the car off for some reason. :af:

When I put the distributor kit in it, I checked the shaft for play and it seemed fine.

How easy should it be to move the advance weights? Thought maybe the springs were a little "soft" when I moved the weights and maybe getting too much advance? Just grasping at things now.....

I do need a stock plug in for the ignition wire to the distributor (the little black plastic piece with the connector inside). I just have a spade connection on it right now, so that might be part of the problem (but not likely since it runs better like that than before).

I have no problem if someone wants to come to my house tonight, tomorrow night or Friday night to look at it with me. You know I have finally given up if I'm asking someone to actually come over and help. :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

I do not trust the car to make it to Temple now. At least before it was reliable. :af:

[70 Skylark Conv]

Update on the Burgundy GS

New motor is in and runs well. Oils pressure is great! It is running a little hot, but only heats up at stoplights, so even if I don't get that sorted out by Saturdday, it shouldn't be an issue in the highway drive to Temple.
On the trans issues I checked the modulator with the vacuum pump and it checked out fine. (As expected; part-throtle shifts have never been a problem.) Pulled a governor out of a 70 Electra trans and just need to stab that in. Hope that solves the problem...
Hoping to FINALLY run a 13 at Temple!

New motor??? Cool! :TU:

[TXGS]

Dee please trailor the car to temple. We have a great group of guys ready to throw parts spare parts at the GS (your Mechanics will be at temple)and your only a trailor away from bringing it. To heck with the race lets have a tuning session.... Ben Bring your too maybe we can wargame the olds also.....

Dee, bring the car and we will make you the first recipent of the Broken spoke award ( it is not a bad thing Dee trust me). :beer

[70 Skylark Conv]

Dee please trailor the car to temple. We have a great group of guys ready to throw parts spare parts at the GS (your Mechanics will be at temple)and your only a trailor away from bringing it. To heck with the race lets have a tuning session.... Ben Bring your too maybe we can wargame the olds also.....

Dee, bring the car and we will make you the first recipent of the Broken spoke award ( it is not a bad thing Dee trust me). :beer

I don't know who wants to trailer my car there. David offered to trailer it back if I need. I shouldn't have to trailer it anywhere and it should drive fine!

Do you think they would make an exception for me to get on the track super early for some TNT after parts swapping? I hate to go out there during time trials just for TNT.

Do you have any extra little plastic plug in pieces for the ignition wire? That might be part of my cutting out problem I'm having now.

After everything I've been through, I should have already proved myself enough to win the Broken Spoke award. Heck, I can't even get the car back home after a TNT session!!! Now THAT'S a "broken spoke"! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[TXGS]

Dee, my thoughts are this: You have a perfect opportunity to have a group(think tank if you wish) to try to find out what the problem is. There are only three things that make a motor run that is Fuel, Spark and Air we can basically take away air so what is left is fuel and spark. James offered to bring a stage 1 pump. Nick offered some ignition stuff and a carb. Not only this but you have guys that are certified mechanics. I can name a few right off the bat that will be coming from Austin,Houston and DFW heck even Puddin from Tennessee. I honestly think there will be enough people there to help diagnose the problem. Now get it in gear girl.... :3gears:

[TXGS]

Dee you think you have problems click below.

click here (http://home.austin.rr.com/austinbuicks//Phil's%2070%20Project.htm)

[70 Skylark Conv]

Dee you think you have problems click below.

click here (http://home.austin.rr.com/austinbuicks//Phil's%2070%20Project.htm)

Doesn't that car have paint on it now? :TU: My car might as well be in that condition. :rant: :rant: :rant:

I think it's even worse when you have a car that feels so healthy and strong but can't make it down the track! What a tease!!!!!! Dang GS. Stupid thing gets me all excited then won't even go all the way with me!!! Gets me half way there and lets me down. :blast: Thought the car was a girl, but must be a guy!!!! :moonu:

If I can find someone to trailer it, I'll bring it. With the way it's acting, I'm not even going to try to drive it.

Yep, fuel, air, and spark. Oh so simple!!!????? RIGHT!!!! You haven't lived under the little Dee gloom cloud, have you???? :shock: :laugh:

Puddin' is coming to help me? Oh so cool! :TU:

Where/how is the ignition wire suppose to plug into the fuse box?

[TXGS]

dee dumb question are you still using the resistor wire /Braided ignition wire to the firewall?

As for the car posted by me I bought that on saturday. The black car is a 72 :Dou:

[70 Skylark Conv]

dee dumb question are you still using the resistor wire /Braided ignition wire to the firewall?

As for the car posted by me I bought that on saturday. The black car is a 72 :Dou:

Bad me! That's a '70 rear bumper. Factory standard! Cool. Haven't you been looking at that car for a while now? Oh, it would help if I read what you had above the pictures! I see pictures and that's what I look at first! Blond here. :Dou:

Braided ignition wire? What the heck is that? I've got a black wire from the distributor to the fuse box???!!!!?? It looks like it's spliced together and electrical taped right outside of the firewall. :Do No: :Dou: I messed with it while it was idling and couldn't get it to cut out or miss.

[austingta]

Dee you think you have problems click below.

click here (http://home.austin.rr.com/austinbuicks//Phil's%2070%20Project.htm)

Phil, all it needs is a little Armor-all and maybe some Turtle wax on the paint!

:beer :bglasses: :Dou:

[TXGS]

Phil, all it needs is a little Armor-all and maybe some Turtle wax on the paint!

Maybe an orbital buffer and Walla, good as new....(In 2010) :laugh:

[70 Skylark Conv]

Maybe an orbital buffer and Walla, good as new....(In 2010) :laugh:

We are getting off The Subject.... :Dou:

Back to the ignition wire!!!!! :Smarty:

[TXGS]

Resistor Wire - The original wire that runs from the firewall to a points distributor. This wire was used to reduce the overall current from 12 volts to about 9 Volts. By reducing the voltage the original points would not burn themselves up as fast but still provided enough spark to ignite the sparkplugs

Then the upgrade to HEI (High Energy ignition) with requires 12 volts to operate. if the resistor wire was on there the coil would only have 9volts to charge the HEI coil and the overall spark would not be as strong. as compaired to 12 volts.

[austingta]

Dee, the resistor wire is a girly color-- pink. Is the wire feeding the + side of your coil pink? If so, you need to run a switched hot lead to the coil! All HEI's need 13.8 VDC, maybe a little more, to run any kinda right...

Frank

[70 Skylark Conv]

Black thick wire runs to the ignition side of the distributor to firewall.

Resistor wire ? (kind of red color with a clear kind of clip) is coming from the fire wall is sitting on the intake not plugged into anything.

[70 Skylark Conv]

Okay, here's where I have gotten so far and where I'm heading.... :ball:

[TXGS]

This is one of those cases where you want to dig a deeper hole. :laugh:

[austingta]

phil-- address and directions sent..

[70 Skylark Conv]

This is one of those cases where you want to dig a deeper hole. :laugh:

I've dug pretty darn deep this time and still coming up with "outhouse waste". :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: That's putting it lightly!!!! :ball:

Come on guys, I only have less than 2 hours before I have to go home and not have access to the internet. I need more help quick!!!! :rant: :rant: :rant:

If I don't get it fixed tonight, at the latest tomorrow night, I'm going to pay David to take the car away. Yep, pay him to haul the heap off for good. No more GS, might even get rid of the Skylark. Maybe the Z28 too. What the heck, get rid of the WS6 while I'm at it and keep the German engineering. :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

I'm going to start to really squall soon. :ball: :ball: :ball: :ball:

[TXGS]

Thanks Frank!

Dee All I can say is that we need to see the car, It is all speculation till we see the results from a voltmeter or ohmmeter. This will help us narrow down the culprit to which it is either electrical or fuel. We can test the electrical system such as power output from the firewall to the coil and resistance of the sparkplug wires and so on. I hope you can understand. Call david or one of the LSPBC guys see if they can help you out to get it to temple. Then we will have a few hours to work on it before test and tune.

[70 Skylark Conv]

Thanks Frank!

Dee All I can say is that we need to see the car, It is all speculation till we see the results from a voltmeter or ohmmeter. This will help us narrow down the culprit to which it is either electrical or fuel. We can test the electrical system such as power output from the firewall to the coil and resistance of the sparkplug wires and so on. I hope you can understand. Call david or one of the LSPBC guys see if they can help you out to get it to temple. Then we will have a few hours to work on it before test and tune.

Here's a question on the electrical system testing and speculation on what will happen when it's tested. If we test everything while it's not under a load, I have a feeling we aren't going to find anything. How can we tell if things are "breaking down" while the car is on the track. Typically (before last night), you could get on it all over town and not have a problem until I drove it under race conditions. Speculation..... :Do No:

I just hate to put anyone out by trailering the car down there, and imposing on everyone to look at it, and then not find anything wrong. Not complaining, but that is the story of my life. No joke! :shock:

So how do you get rid of a vapor lock issue the correct way and not my red-neck way?

[70 Skylark Conv]

Sorry this has turned into an off-topic thread but I have another question.

This might sound completely stupid, but I really don't care at this point. :Dou:

When you remove the fuel line off the carb., should there be any pressure in the line? Such as fuel spraying out of the end of the line when you pull it off or should it just pour out? :Do No:

The answer to this question might have some significance, I promise! :Smarty:

[jeff bullock]

Dee,if the fuel pump does not have a return line going back to the tank,which yours doesn't , you will have some pressure left in the line after you turn the motor off.After it sits for awhile the pressure usually will bleed off.Hope that helped answer your question. :Do No:

[70 Skylark Conv]

....since everyone is so amused by my daily disasters, thought everyone might enjoy this.... :Brow:

I just got asked out to dinner by a FUNERAL DIRECTOR. :shock: Would any of you say yes to dinner with a FUNERAL DIRECTOR? :Do No:

Bet you can guess what I said! :Smarty:

Okay, everyone laugh now... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Denise

[70 Skylark Conv]

Okay, here's one reason I asked about the pressure in the fuel line. It's off another discussion.

Ron
The guy that rebuilt my carb retired from a local Pontiac dealership, everyone that knows him say he is the best Pontiac man in the area. The car runs Great except when it vapor locks or whatever it is doing. The glass filter bowl will not have any gas in it when it is acting up also I have found that if I take a fuel line loose it has a lot of pressure built up and after the pressure is gone it will start and run fine. I have heard that the gas with ethanol can cause problems I have looked for a station that has pure gas but all I can find is blended. Thanks for the help

Also:
Try checking your gas cap then if you have a lot of pressure built up in the tank. You need to make sure that it is vented. If it's not, then pressure builds up, & car will act like you describe. Next time this happens, try taking off the gas cap. If car starts immediately, chances are that's the problem.

Done both. I don't have a problem with the car starting though.

Should I take the screw out of the cut off return line on the gas tank so the tank vents or can someone tell me where to find a vented gas cap that fits a Buick? Haven't been able to find one and thought since mine was old and the rubber is hard that it would be somewhat vented because of it. I can smell gas around the cap = venting?

Only 10 more minutes until I don't have internet access until in the morning. Eagerly awaiting everyone's responses! :TU:

[jamyers]

Dee, that red wire on the intake, it's not where it could move around and ground something out is it?

When you disconnect a fuel line, you may or may not get a lot of fuel under pressure, it depends on where the fuel pump is in its stroke, and how long it's been sitting.

Plugging the return line to the tank shouldn't affect the tank's venting, it should have a separate vent line (big cars have 3 that go to a big goofy flat canister behind the rear seatback). When you dropped the tank you should have dealt with a vent line. Your car "should" have a non-vented gas cap which may or may not still seal. Venting the system won't hurt anything, you might try a run with the gas cap not completely cinched down and see what happens. As long as the end return line to the tank is high enough so it won't start siphoning gas out, you can unplug it and use it as a vent - I'd just be sure to route it away from possible ignition sources.

Heck, get your car to Temple, you're NOT imposing on me at all - this has become a "Mission from God" (cue Blues Brothers music).

Oh, and Funeral Directors are often the most wealthy people in town, and that's one business that'll never run out of customers... :Brow:

[carguy455]

"Should I take the screw out of the cut off return line on the gas tank "

That cannot be helping.....

Like the "boys" said, get it to the track and let the boys have a crack at it..

This is an intriguing problem that I think EVERYBODY wants to hear the solution to.

Get a beater computer and use $8.95 a month dial up at home, then you could bounce stuff like this off everyone "as you go"..hell, set up the computer in your garage like I have [laptop, I move it back and forth]

I dated a FEMALE funeral director [ figured I better CLARIFY that before y'all skewer me! ] a few years back..very nice lady, had PLENTY of money , very polite, kind..unfortunately VERY quiet ....Too quiet...I talk alot, but, also need at least SOME talk in return :boring: .....had to goto a wake last night, bumped into her, still the same , polite, kind, sweet....QUIET. :puzzled:

You think YOUR day sucked ? I was in the freekin HOSPITAL from 8 am till about 4 hours ago [now 12 am] half dead....massive inner ear infection, sick, etc, etc. be a while before I get to do any racing , living vicariously through your misadventure...so try , try again kiddo , wouldnt want to let an ill Buick fan down now would ya? :laugh:

Keep making lists of what you have tried, what happens, and what doesnt happen..also we all are assuming the timing and such are dead on, valves are all operating properly [ no "lazy springs" or other such oddities ]..its a process of elimination , and not the kind of "elimination" under the outhouse !

You don't want to sell yer cars, you know that german stuff can get booring after a while [ try workin on THAT car in depth like I am mine...THAT will sure make you run screaming and crying back to your good ol' GS !! :pp ]..you LOVE your Buicks , even when they are being a pain, you still love em !

We're ALL pulling for ya Dee :TU: Keep the faith 'cause in BUICK you can trust ! :TU: :TU: :TU:

Best of luck , take deep breaths and imagine the JOY you will feel once you find the solution to this problem !!!!!! :3gears:

[70 Skylark Conv]

Dee, that red wire on the intake, it's not where it could move around and ground something out is it?

When you disconnect a fuel line, you may or may not get a lot of fuel under pressure, it depends on where the fuel pump is in its stroke, and how long it's been sitting.

Plugging the return line to the tank shouldn't affect the tank's venting, it should have a separate vent line (big cars have 3 that go to a big goofy flat canister behind the rear seatback). When you dropped the tank you should have dealt with a vent line. Your car "should" have a non-vented gas cap which may or may not still seal. Venting the system won't hurt anything, you might try a run with the gas cap not completely cinched down and see what happens. As long as the end return line to the tank is high enough so it won't start siphoning gas out, you can unplug it and use it as a vent - I'd just be sure to route it away from possible ignition sources.

Heck, get your car to Temple, you're NOT imposing on me at all - this has become a "Mission from God" (cue Blues Brothers music).

Oh, and Funeral Directors are often the most wealthy people in town, and that's one business that'll never run out of customers... :Brow:

Red wire is fine. Still has the plug on the end. If I remember correctly one of the three lines on the tank was plugged with a screw and the other 2 were attached to the return and the line to the pump. The return line is plugged at the fuel pump since there's not a place to plug it into the pump. Wondered if I should unplug that vent line on the tank?

Tried running the car with the gas cap loose. No difference. Ordered a new cap and will look at it when it comes in tonight. They couldn't tell me if it was vented or not.

As for the funeral director. The girls here at work and the funeral director said the same about always having a job/money. I said YUCK, NO WAY JOSE', GROSS, DISGUSTING, YICKY, ETC. :rolleyes:

[70 Skylark Conv]

"Should I take the screw out of the cut off return line on the gas tank "

That cannot be helping.....

Like the "boys" said, get it to the track and let the boys have a crack at it..

This is an intriguing problem that I think EVERYBODY wants to hear the solution to.

Get a beater computer and use $8.95 a month dial up at home, then you could bounce stuff like this off everyone "as you go"..hell, set up the computer in your garage like I have [laptop, I move it back and forth]

I dated a FEMALE funeral director [ figured I better CLARIFY that before y'all skewer me! ] a few years back..very nice lady, had PLENTY of money , very polite, kind..unfortunately VERY quiet ....Too quiet...I talk alot, but, also need at least SOME talk in return :boring: .....had to goto a wake last night, bumped into her, still the same , polite, kind, sweet....QUIET. :puzzled:

You think YOUR day sucked ? I was in the freekin HOSPITAL from 8 am till about 4 hours ago [now 12 am] half dead....massive inner ear infection, sick, etc, etc. be a while before I get to do any racing , living vicariously through your misadventure...so try , try again kiddo , wouldnt want to let an ill Buick fan down now would ya? :laugh:

Keep making lists of what you have tried, what happens, and what doesnt happen..also we all are assuming the timing and such are dead on, valves are all operating properly [ no "lazy springs" or other such oddities ]..its a process of elimination , and not the kind of "elimination" under the outhouse !

You don't want to sell yer cars, you know that german stuff can get booring after a while [ try workin on THAT car in depth like I am mine...THAT will sure make you run screaming and crying back to your good ol' GS !! :pp ]..you LOVE your Buicks , even when they are being a pain, you still love em !

We're ALL pulling for ya Dee :TU: Keep the faith 'cause in BUICK you can trust ! :TU: :TU: :TU:

Best of luck , take deep breaths and imagine the JOY you will feel once you find the solution to this problem !!!!!! :3gears:

My cousin promised me one of her many extra computers 6 months ago. She never came through. Was even willing to start internet service just to use it. Don't want to buy a new one because I WILL have problems with it. So to ward off another possible problem, I'm not buying a new one just to have to pay Geeks on Wheels to come to my house to fix it. I'm not computer (only software) savy.

I use to be able to believe in "In Buick I Trust", but the only thing my Buicks have done lately is get me in trouble in more ways than one.

Since I don't have a man around to hender me by my thinking, "Oh I'll just let him work on it", most all of my knowledge has come back. I use to tear these cars down by the dozens and put several together to sell back in the '80's and early '90's to make money. So if I can't solve the problem on the GS myself, I don't think anyone else is going to figure it out.

The previous owner had problems with it too, just not sure what time frame he had problems, before or after I saw him run on a 13.3 dial-in.

Engine is strong. No problems there.

I took up my car hobby again after figuring I'd never get married and have kids since I was already in my mid-thirties. Now that I'm almost 40, think I'm going to give up on the cars, find a husband, and start popping out babies like all "good women" should. :shock: :shock: :shock: If find a husband and having kids goes like my attempt to revive my car hobby, I'll never get married and have kids or I'll end up with a young, pudgy funeral director. :eek2:

So after working on the car for another 4 hours last night and another at least $30 in gas for running it up and down the freeway, and no one calling to lend a hand to at least get it where it will run to Temple, it's not going to the races this weekend or probably ever. After 3 years and bad runs everytime it goes to the track, you get the idea.

Yep, BIG pity party going on today. I have been under the hood, the car, the dash for 6 months now doing all sorts of maintenance stuff to the car and it's only gotten worse. Got to be smart and admit when it's time to give up.

Thought I had joy last Thursday night when I actually got a tire boiling run out of it (first and only time I've ever actually "got-on-it" on the street - against my better judgement). Joy came to an end fast when Johnny Law was sitting on the other side of the hill waiting on me. I even made a drive-by to make sure no one was around. I think God is telling me to take the hint and get out while the getting is still good (or I can at least maybe get my money back out of the car).

So I can't play with the Big Buick Boys even though I've been into Buicks over 20 years. That sucks! :af:

Thanks for the advice everyone. I really appreciate it! :TU:

[napier]

Dee -- This is crazy talk I am hearing. Marriage, kids, sell the car??? Man, you have hit rock bottom :laugh:.

Is there no one on this board that lives in the DFW metroplex that can help her out??? I find that very hard to believe.

[carguy455]

Sorry to hear it all Dee, wished I could have helped you out...gheesh it ran 13.3 dial..and now this.....bummer.

My attempt at family and parenthood sent me running back INTO my car hobby from the late 80's and early 90's...just reverse huh ? lol .

If I ever do think of another cause of that kind of problem I'll send the thought to you anyway, take a break from it and do something for you this weekend then....we all have times where we have to walk away once in a while, its not a pitty party, its life on earth.....it sucks :( ..but its life....dont get too down over it......


And we KNOW you can do better than any ol' pudgy funeral director.. :grin:

Like maybe one of the many many pudgy Buick guys ! :pp

Smile anyway...... it pisses off the gremlins! :laugh:

[carguy455]

Dee -- This is crazy talk I am hearing. Marriage, kids, sell the car??? Man, you have hit rock bottom :laugh:.

Is there no one on this board that lives in the DFW metroplex that can help her out??? I find that very hard to believe.


Hey Napier, grab a flight to DFW and give the lady a hand !!..lol

[Nicholas Sloop]

How easy should it be to move the advance weights? Thought maybe the springs were a little "soft" when I moved the weights and maybe getting too much advance? Just grasping at things now.....

I do need a stock plug in for the ignition wire to the distributor (the little black plastic piece with the connector inside). I just have a spade connection on it right now, so that might be part of the problem (but not likely since it runs better like that than before).


Advance weights should move pertty easy, if you have lighter springs installed. Not stiff by any means even with stock springs. Yes, you are grasping at straws...
Spade terminal on the HEI connection is just fine. (That's what I have.) No need for the factory black plastic connector; it only makes it easier to line the plug up right on installation.

[70 Skylark Conv]

I have all the data from the runs we recorded last week if anyone wants me to e-mail them so maybe someone can come up with some ideas.

But as of this moment, I have given up on it. I have had enough.

I got back into cars because my relationships sucked. Got into a relationship because of a car and it sucked. Alone with the cars and it sucks. Alone with none of the bother or disappointment of working on the cars and not getting anywhere seems like a good alternative to everything sucking.

My dream of having the big 2 car enclosed trailer and toting 2 Buicks around to different Buick events, like the Garrisons :Brow: , isn't going to happen. So have to pursue some other dream now.

Don't think I'm going to find anyone worthy of my brains and beauty :Dou: to have children with much less a decent relationship, so I'll die childless, familyless, and car-less because I'm not going to settle for anything but the best. Someone sorta like me! :puzzled: :eek2: :laugh:

Going to finish up the Buick stuff this year by going to the races and then retire what once was my passion for cars. Too much headache and no reward. All I get are strange looks when I drive the beater GS around town or when I'm laying under it in some sort of puddle of the day. Guess it was okay in my teen and twenties when I had close friends to share the fun and we all lived close to each other and hung out in each other's garage. They're all gone, married and have children (but no cars).

Just an old woman trying to re-live her past. Not just a pity party, but reality really setting in. :Smarty:

[Nicholas Sloop]

Another Burgundy GS update...

Finally got around to pulling the governor. I'm happy to report, it was quite smurfed up. There is a swagged joint where the stamped steel head that holds the weights is attached to the machined steel valve. This joint was loose, keeping the weights from moving the piston, even at full extension.
Should be good to go!!! :3gears:

[TXGS]

Nick, That trans has been haunting you for a while now Correct? Or maybe everytime I see you you are getting the trans fixed. :3gears:

[carguy455]

Dee, email me that data please......


Gary

[Nicholas Sloop]

Nick, That trans has been haunting you for a while now Correct? Or maybe everytime I see you you are getting the trans fixed. :3gears:

It does seem to be one thing or the other, doesn't it? Two Bashes ago I went to do a simple fluid change, found debris in the pan, and took it to Mike Kurtz's, where the intermediate sprag was changed. (By the way, not the source of the debris, which remains a mystery...)
Last Bash it was hunting gears at WOT, which, I think, I have solved with this governor change.
(Interstingly, during the motor swap I found debris very similar to the "mystery" transmission debris, in the engine oil pan....) Oh the mysteries....
Keeping my fingers crossed. Dewey was adamant--no more heavy labor before Temple!!!

[napier]

Hey Napier, grab a flight to DFW and give the lady a hand !!..lol


If I did not already have my own family, I think I probably would. Seems like a golden opportunity to help out a beautiful woman (thus scoring brownie points that could lead to a relationship down the road) and work on a car at the same time.

Like I said, I cant believe that no one on this board is leaping at this :Do No:. A classic damsel in distress situation.

Ben

[carguy455]

If I did not already have my own family, I think I probably would. Seems like a golden opportunity to help out a beautiful woman (thus scoring brownie points that could lead to a relationship down the road) and work on a car at the same time.

Like I said, I cant believe that no one on this board is leaping at this :Do No:. A classic damsel in distress situation.

Ben

Lol ! Well I would but I live half a country away AND I think she could do better than ol ' yours truly ! :Brow:

I'd just like to hear/see her get her car running right [ that and go CRUSH a few guys driving other brands at the drags :TU: ] Nothing the Mopar/Chevy/Ford boys hate worse than being beat by a Buick than to be beat by a Buick owned/operated by a hot lady that wont give em the time of day ! :TU: :TU: :TU: :laugh:

A videotape of THOSE facial exspressions would be PRICELESS !!!!!!

[70 Skylark Conv]

Lol ! Well I would but I live half a country away AND I think she could do better than ol ' yours truly ! :Brow:

I'd just like to hear/see her get her car running right [ that and go CRUSH a few guys driving other brands at the drags :TU: ] Nothing the Mopar/Chevy/Ford boys hate worse than being beat by a Buick than to be beat by a Buick owned/operated by a hot lady that wont give em the time of day ! :TU: :TU: :TU: :laugh:

A videotape of THOSE facial expressions would be PRICELESS !!!!!!

Here's a priceless facial expression for: "Did you really think my GS was going to make it down the track this time? Ha, FAT CHANCE!!!!" :af:

This is from the last Bash in December after making successful passes on the 1/8th track in Denton. Thought I had the problem licked, but NOT!!!!! :af:

[70 Skylark Conv]

And here is a card I received after my tuning guru friend from Austin left after hooking up his tuning equipment to my car.

I feel like it's a condolences card after his encounter with the car. :ball: What do you think? :shock:

[Nicholas Sloop]

And here is a card I received after my tuning guru friend from Austin left after hooking up his tuning equipment to my car.

I feel like it's a condolences card after his encounter with the car. :ball: What do you think? :shock:


Hey, that is just meant for encouragement!!!

I'm still gonna be :af: and open a can of whoop ass on you next time I see you if you don't show up tomorrow :blast: :spank:

[70 Skylark Conv]

Hey, that is just meant for encouragement!!!

I'm still gonna be :af: and open a can of whoop ass on you next time I see you if you don't show up tomorrow :blast: :spank:

Yeah, sure, encouragement!!!! THAT (pushing it) is the only way my car will make it down the track or down the street!

Or I can just pop my feet through the rusted floor pan and pedal like Fred Flintstone. It will go lots faster that way!

I think I've pissed off most of the LSPBC guys with my ranting and ravings, so I think I might just stay at home and hide. :ball:

I am quite depressed about giving up the car hobby. I've had enough. All it has gotten me is trouble and less $$$. I'm going to BG and Salem and then that's it.

I'm going into gardening, I'm going to start buying clothes, make-up, having my nails done, and having my hair done at the salon like most women do. I'm going to try to be normal for once in my life and maybe end up better off than I am now! :shock:

[carguy455]

Yeah, sure, encouragement!!!! THAT (pushing it) is the only way my car will make it down the track or down the street!

Or I can just pop my feet through the rusted floor pan and pedal like Fred Flintstone. It will go lots faster that way!

I think I've pissed off most of the LSPBC guys with my ranting and ravings, so I think I might just stay at home and hide. :ball:

I am quite depressed about giving up the car hobby. I've had enough. All it has gotten me is trouble and less $$$. I'm going to BG and Salem and then that's it.

I'm going into gardening, I'm going to start buying clothes, make-up, having my nails done, and having my hair done at the salon like most women do. I'm going to try to be normal for once in my life and maybe end up better off than I am now! :shock:

I think your quite normal NOW, and dam cool to boot ! :cool:

I can put my feet through the floors in MY 70GS455 conv...lol :(

According to the data you sent, it sure looks like it is running LEAN to me, will do more investigation this weekend.. :puzzled:

Gardening ? OK, you can redo all the neglected flowerbeds here at my farm if I solve the GS mystery.... :laugh:

[VKohanski]

Now, Dee, how can you turn away Nick's plea? If there isn't someone who can fix your car there in Temple, then it's possessed and we should probably bury it. No, I guess it couldn't be possessed, unless it's a really stupid demon. Anyway, let's say you ARE considering getting rid of it... cars that don't run well, don't sell well. So, at least if you get it there and it gets fixed (which I'm sure it would)... then you have a much more sell-able car and you'll only wind up getting more for it, which would more than pay for your expenses to attend. Sold yet?

Oh come on... please? and I don't even know you... it just sounds like such a fabulous cause... and a cool story for the event.

[Stage1 Jeff]

I'd help you if I was closer

[Nicholas Sloop]

For the rest of the world who may be following this thread, we were rained out. Not that it was raining; based on the "threat" of rain the track owners cancelled the 3:00pm event sometime before 11:30am.
Dee did show up, but didn't bring the car...

[70 Skylark Conv]

Look what I won!!! The Broken Spoke award!!!!!!! :beer :beer :beer

Thought I'd post a picture of the award before Phil posted the picture of me with my award where I'm wearing BAD HAIR. :shock:

I just want to thank all of my loyal Buick friends for this award. After all of my whinning, bitching, complaining, moaning and groaning, not to mention all of the hard work I put into really messing up the car all by myself, and all of my unsuccessful runs at Temple for the last 3 Bashes, I guess I really earned this award! :beer :beer :beer :laugh:

Thanks Phil and all of my great friends for your support!!!! :TU:

Next time I'll be running like this: :3gears: :3gears: :3gears:

Instead of like this; :3gears: :3gears: :moonu: :af:

[TXGS]

That's a heck of a mantel piece Dee!

[napier]

For the rest of the world who may be following this thread, we were rained out. Not that it was raining; based on the "threat" of rain the track owners cancelled the 3:00pm event sometime before 11:30am.
Dee did show up, but didn't bring the car...


Glad I did not miss any action. I went back and forth Saturday afternoon about heading out. Ultimately decided not to.

So, when is the next date :laugh:?

Ben

[jamyers]

Dee, just so you'll know...that's a '73 Chebby ring gear, the open 8.5" carrier out of the 2NABOT (295K miles, thank you), and the driveshaft yoke/end and 2 Holley model 1909 1-bbls are courtesy a '62 Ranchero. And the top off an old Boy Scout Rally trophy.

Thanks for the pic, my nephew had a blast helping put it together, and says HI!

And why isn't it up on your mantle? Afraid something will break??? :laugh:

[carguy455]

Nice job on the trophy dude, that Rocks !!!! :TU:

[70 Skylark Conv]

Dee, just so you'll know...that's a '73 Chebby ring gear, the open 8.5" carrier out of the 2NABOT (295K miles, thank you), and the driveshaft yoke/end and 2 Holley model 1909 1-bbls are courtesy a '62 Ranchero. And the top off an old Boy Scout Rally trophy.

Thanks for the pic, my nephew had a blast helping put it together, and says HI!

And why isn't it up on your mantle? Afraid something will break??? :laugh:

Wow 295k!!! I feel very honored to have a piece of the 2NABOT in my home! :TU:

I don't have an actual mantle, just a little brick ledge, so it has to sit there. Yep, if I don't keep it low, it's so heavy it might just break something!

Tell your nephew thank you! I don't think I'm going to ever want to part with it when it's time to pass it on. :ball:

[Stage1 Jeff]

295k??? amazing!!
my mother's '92 roadmaster has 262k, still going

[jamyers]

(If I time it right, I'll be able to swap in the new 455 right after it rolls over 300K. At each 100K miles, I've taken it up to 100mph while the odometer rolls over, and I oughta have the 350 do it one last time...)