Weld Over or Grind Out?

Discussion in 'Color is everything!' started by snowman4839, Sep 21, 2010.

  1. snowman4839

    snowman4839 69 Turbo Buick

    Well I just figured I had enough extra filler to go ahead and try any ideas I had but my first idea worked swimmingly :). I just reapplied filler today and started standing with a different block of wood (a cube rather than a 2x4) and it's actually going pretty well. I might just leave it be and work on the channel and top of the filler panel now.

    Overview
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    Top of the patch panel
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    Middle of the patch panel
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    Bottom of the patch panel
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    Looking inward into the channel
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    Different angle
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    It's my birthday today!!! I just turned 16 finally :)
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    This is my present :)))))). Offenhauser intake and Holley 390 4 barrel. Should be getting it in 1-3 weeks. Just the first step toward my Turbo 250 build :))))))))))))))))))))))
    http://augusta.craigslist.org/pts/1950580052.html
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  2. snowman4839

    snowman4839 69 Turbo Buick

    Hey guys. When I get around to primering it, how long should I let it sit to cure? I'm probably going to have to put it in the garage with a kerosene heater to get it hot enough to cure and it's not very humid outside so that shouldn't be a problem. The can only says flash time iirc
     
  3. 197064buickspec

    197064buickspec 1964 Special Post-455

    The primer will cure pretty much at any temp due it's a chemical reaction.
    It will dry faster in heat but remember kerosene is oil based and will do funny stuff too paint. On top of that the primer is flamable and lets out fumes when drying. I would prime it and walk away for a few days.

    For the welding............I would turn up the heat and turn down the wire speed. It may save you quite a bit of money on grinding wheels and will save you time. With gas for welding it will lay down smoother and look nicer.

    If your actually interested in learning the trade, I would get a part time job at a body shop sweeping floors and watch the techs. Just an idea for ya.

    Keep going it takes doing it to learn!!!!!

    Brian
     
  4. snowman4839

    snowman4839 69 Turbo Buick

    Good tip about kerosene being oil based. I didn't think about that.

    As for tuning up the head, I have min and max current. If I use max current, it melts through the body panels. Believe me I know. I've accidentally switched it on max before and even if I just hardly tacked a small hole I needed to fill, it would just melt it into a bigger hole 5x bigger. I've messed with wire speed but I guess I just like the comfort of having extra weld on there for the structural support.

    Thanks for the idea but I plan on being a Computer Engineer or Computer Scientist but I just like doing car stuff on the side for fun. The two biggest things I love the most are cars and computers and I do both for fun but I just see more money in a computer related career.

    I definitely plan on keeping on workin and doin this stuff myself!
     
  5. carmantx

    carmantx Never Surrender

    Looking good. Keep at it. I am about to try some body work for the first time on my convertible.
     
  6. snowman4839

    snowman4839 69 Turbo Buick

    Alright guys, just did primer on this fine friday afternoon after school. This might not be the most exciting post showing how everything is one color but it's sure as hell exciting for me!!!

    The ugliness right before priming
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    More ugliness
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    Non-primered patch that I welded in
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    My buddy that helped me clean the front channel and with a few other little things
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    Paper'd up and cleaned with lacquer thinner
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    Gotta tape off the chrome!!
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    Different angle
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    Another different angle
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    FIRST COAT

    Right side & my buddy
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    Left side
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    Patch panel
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    Top of patch panel
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    Bottom of patch panel
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    Overview of the front
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    Left side of the front channel
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    Lower part behind the passenger side fender
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    Right side of the front channel
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    Lower right side of the front channel
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    Closeup of the little crevice in between the filler panel and the quarterpanel on the driver's side
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    SECOND COAT​


    Overview of the back
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    Wouldn't you know it? I missed a FREAKIN PINHOLE... I'm just going to wait til the primer is catalyzed tomorrow and fill it with some all-metal body filler
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    Patch panel overview
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    Top of patch panel
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    Top of back channel
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    The bottom channel
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  7. snowman4839

    snowman4839 69 Turbo Buick

    Top-left of front channel
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    Bottom left of front channel now better covered after second coat
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    Bottom of the front channel
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    Overview
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    bottom right of the front channel now better covered after second coat
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    Indescribably placed picture of my friend again in a thread about window channel repair
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    I did a third coat but I didn't take any pictures right after


    AFTER A FEW HOURS OF DRYING

    Bottom right of the front channel (in front of the VIN number)
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    Right side of the front channel
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    Bottom of the front channel
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    Drivers side bottom corner of the back channel
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    That STUPID FREAKIN PINHOLE again...
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    Patch panel. It could've turnout better with a little more even sanding on the filler but it's passable and pretty good for a first timer in my opinion
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    Bottom part of the patch panel. You can still see some scratches from the sanding of the primer but I could probably filler that with high-build primer
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    Overview of the patch panel
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    Overview of the back channel
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  8. snowman4839

    snowman4839 69 Turbo Buick

    Putting in the windshields tomorrow. Any tips?
    My idea is...
    1) Clean windshield
    2) Clean channel
    3) Place butyl in channel
    4) Stick windshield on butyl

    How long should I wait before it is drivable?
     
  9. RG67BEAST

    RG67BEAST Platinum Level Contributor

    First check to see where you want the windsheild with it bare to square it where you want it. Get a freind to help. Then use rubber spacers on each end at the bottom for each side so it stays stable when installalled. Then install the butyl on the glass to it's outside not in the channel. If there is a low spot on the channel use the butyl where is needed where two sections conjoin. Make sure where the butyl will adhere it is clean.
    Ray
     
  10. snowman4839

    snowman4839 69 Turbo Buick

    I'm sure you guys are getting tired of me posting about this so I'll finish up everything in the next two posts.

    Just got done with everything today! Got some cleaned up the windshield and put it in. I had to get some flat black enamel to cover up the primer because my dad's friend who does auto body stuff told me how primer doesn't create a seal between the metal and the air so some enamel went and sealed it right up. Sorry if some of these pictures look odd. The way the light was, it makes the black look white in some pictures.

    Just a quick question, do the little captions telling you where you're looking at help you or is that just wasted typing?

    BACK CHANNEL
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    The patch panel I welded in
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    Now it blends much better with the stuff that was already black
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  11. snowman4839

    snowman4839 69 Turbo Buick

    Then I waited a few days for it to cure and then...

    We used duct tape rapped around some wooden sticks for handles instead of suction cups. The guy on the right is my dad's friend and the guy on the left barely in the picture is my dad.
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    I looked inside and saw some light and realized the patch panel was a bent a little low so I just shoved some butyl under there. No big deal.
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    Layin down the butyl on the front windshield
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    Carefully laid in on the bottom to get it positioned and then laid it back.
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  12. snowman4839

    snowman4839 69 Turbo Buick

    ALL FINISHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    I filled the problem areas with extra butyl. (Along the top of the front windshield and the bottom corners and bottom of the back windshield)
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    Had to put a little extra rubber piece between the windshield holders because it was a little low when adjusted all the way up.
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    Top corner of the front with extra butyl
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    Extra butyl all along the top
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    Extra butyl all along the corner because I don't want water sitting in there and having it rust out again :)
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    Patch panel final. It could've looked better but not bad for a first time. I just need a better sanding technique and to smooth out the filler more with a finer grit before primer
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    Bottom of the back channel filled with extra butyl
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    Bottom corner of back windshield filled with extra butyl
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    Last edited: Oct 16, 2010
  13. GSX4me

    GSX4me Well-Known Member

    EXCELLENT writeup!

    I just picked up a '70 GS Stage 1 that also needs front & rear window channels replaced, so I will use this for reference, as I also attempt my own resto-mod on it!

    Thanks for sharing! The detailed pics & references do help!:TU:
     
  14. snowman4839

    snowman4839 69 Turbo Buick

    Thanks man. You should do a writeup yourself!
     
  15. Tricolor72

    Tricolor72 Well-Known Member

    Pretty sweet job, I did a little bit of bondo work in that area on my car. I used urethane instead of butyl tape for the rear window and it was a nightmare for me. My back window still has spots of urethane I haven't cleaned yet. I also didn't put the clips in:Dou: So I used the urethane to hold the trim on. I guess it is true what they say about flux core welders, best to use a Mig for body work but you made the flux core work so more power to you!
     

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