TheSilverBuick's 1977 Skylark

Discussion in 'The "X" bodies' started by TheSilverBuick, Jul 5, 2010.

  1. TheSilverBuick

    TheSilverBuick In the Middle of No Where

    I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but what I lack in know how I make up for in persistence.
     
  2. bammax

    bammax Well-Known Member

    Your "bangshift" box uses a monitor cable, while your wiring project uses a printer cable :puzzled: I have a stereo that you can throw in the car with a usb hookup if you'd like. Of course then you'll need the bluetooth equipment or the onstar package to have your wireless connectivity. I wonder what bandwidth your car runs on :confused: Is it 4G compatible or are you stuck with an AT&T contract which limits you to a handful of miles per hour? It's nice to know if you ever want to make your car faster you can just change from dial up to fios.



    :laugh: I just had to go there. I spend alot of time around computer parts and couldn't help it when I saw them being used in your application.


    On a side note throw a grommet on the hole in that bangshift box before the blue signal wire gets chewed up and shorts out.
     
  3. TheSilverBuick

    TheSilverBuick In the Middle of No Where

    Ha! I've been using a serial to USB converter, and my radio has Blue Tooth and USB capabilities :laugh:

    As for the Blue wire, that was my failed knock sensor project. Never got it working and was removed when I pulled the box out.
     
  4. dascme

    dascme Member

    You must have tons of patience. I'd have lost my mind dealing with all those wires. I love the digital dash idea. Although just about anything is better than my current set up.
     
  5. TheSilverBuick

    TheSilverBuick In the Middle of No Where

    Well the dang T-bird started leaking fuel back by the gas tank when I was filling it up :mad: I've only been putting ten gallons in at a time for the last four or so years, and I guess I found a new weak link, or leak? So I'm now 500 miles from home via the Skylark. 1,000 more miles to go :TU:

    And bammax, I was thinking about your post and the drive down, I'm on the Verizon Unlimited Mileage plan :laugh:
     
  6. TheSilverBuick

    TheSilverBuick In the Middle of No Where

    Ran a shade under 1,600 miles since Thursday. Purred like a kitten the whole time.


    At Wilwood brakes.
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    At a stop along the way.
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    Another stop along the way.
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    The ocean is on the horizon there.
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  7. Ardeshir

    Ardeshir Well-Known Member

    Those are great photos...!
    Well done!:TU:
     
  8. TheSilverBuick

    TheSilverBuick In the Middle of No Where

  9. TheSilverBuick

    TheSilverBuick In the Middle of No Where

    I got the car running in sequential mode a few days ago but apparently I was running in Semi-Sequential mode, which I'm not entirely sure what that means, but it wasn't reading the cam sensor as I thought it was. The solution was simple enough. I popped the case off and saw jumper JP7 was installed, which it shouldn't be for my installation. Removed the jumper and BAM, had a cam signal. It was a pretty clean cam signal at idle, but got a some false triggers at higher rpm (but no sync errors, it was recognized noise). This can be due to noise issues, but I've got the electrical noise stuff pretty quiet on my car, so I attribute it to picking up some of the ground off teeth of the pickup coil. The good news is there is an adjustment on the MS3X board! So I revved the engine up until I saw the extra green spikes (pictures below), got the screw driver out and adjusted the hysteric pot for the VR cam sensor input until the false signals disappeared. Then did some quick free rev's and all was good and clean. I may have my cam sensor reading on the wrong side of the missing tooth. Yet to be determined. Fortunately I have infinite adjustability with my pickup coil sensor, just pop the distributor cap and move it.


    Here are some composite logs showing the cam sensor trigger in green and the crank teeth in blue.
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    Here is showing three rotations of the cam. You can see where the missing tooth goes by the crank sensor without an associated cam sensor spike. The cam sensor spike obviously means cylinder one is coming up on the intake stroke.
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    Here is a log showing the whole cam tooth signal. The first picture just shows the point in which the megasquirt considers it the signal. Aka the rising edge.
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    Soon as I read up on if this chart is read left to right or right to left I'll make the Skylark match. Again, it just takes a couple minutes to set it.

    Here is a video of it idling in semi-sequential mode.
    [video=youtube;4TrtvS18X_8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TrtvS18X_8[/video]
     
  10. pocket5s

    pocket5s Well-Known Member

    You should just take that laptop screen and integrate it into your dash. Instant digital gauges :)
     
  11. TheSilverBuick

    TheSilverBuick In the Middle of No Where

    Have you not seen this, my summer project? :grin:

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    Might eventually go full on if the half works.
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  12. pocket5s

    pocket5s Well-Known Member

    Just found it earlier in the thread :)

    I've seen something similar that a company offers, but each 7" screen setup was like 2k. A guy was putting it in an early nova. Oh, and it only worked with an OBDII port if I recall (he was swapping in a LQ9 engine and associated computer)

    EDIT: So I went back and read the whole thread. I didn't see where you mentioned what software you were using to run that display. Is that part of the megasquirt package or something else?

    also, I saw your drag week stuff. I missed it last year and hope to run this year with my truck. I missed the registration, but I'm the waiting list. They said they are trying to get an additional 50 cars in (out of 78 on the list), so I hope I'm in there. I live in Tulsa, so having it start and end here will be really cool.
     
  13. TheSilverBuick

    TheSilverBuick In the Middle of No Where

    $168 for the screen (http://store.mp3car.com/DoubleSight_7_LCD_Monitor_p/mon-145.htm). I will have to build/buy a car computer to run it though as it's just a screen and the MegaSquirt doesn't run the tuning software, just interacts with it. The tuning software is free to use,as is the log viewer (http://tunerstudio.com/). I ran the free versions for a couple years but the advantage of registering the softwares ($50 & $30) is more customization and more powerful tuning tools. Namely the registered version of TunerStudio let me customize the guages and run auto-tuning, and the registered version of the log viewer makes scatter plots, which are hugely powerful at seeing where your tune is lean, rich or just right, as well as plotting up other interesting things. But to get running and tuning, the software is free.


    I saw postings on other boards about how fast registration was going, which forced me to pull some $$$ out of savings to pre-register. I think the huge part of the quick fill up was the fact it is taking place in roughly the same part of the country as last year, plus it being fairly centrally located. I think come August the people on the waiting list will get a good chance of getting in. I don't know the stats on registered versus showed up, but my gut feeling guess is probably 20% of the pre-registered people didn't show up. There were a ton of folk that showed up (over 1/3?) to sign up on the first day. Hot Rod was way surprised by the turn out last year. Ran out of numbers and sponsor decals, etc.
     
  14. pocket5s

    pocket5s Well-Known Member

    I've briefly looked at tunerstudio as I recognized the user interface and was intrigued (same programming language that I use). I've also scanned through some of the MS stuff, but nothing in detail yet. It would almost be worth converting over just for that, to me anyway :)

    I just happened to hit HR's blog and saw they filled up in a day for registration, and actually a few extras got in before they shut it down. Then monday or so they said they were talking to track officials about having another 50 cars and they would do it if the tracks could support it. Something about staging lane capacity and such. I sure hope so, I was really bummed that I missed it. My dad was going to come up and we were going to make the trip together, so it would have been a really good time. He used to race chevelle's back in the late 60's so I was hoping to show him my 2 ton small block truck could hang with his old iron :) If they come back to tulsa or stay in the region next year I'll try to have the skylark ready instead of the truck.

    Regardless I was going to go out and see the event on at least the first and last day. If I find you out there I'll come by and say hi.
     
  15. TheSilverBuick

    TheSilverBuick In the Middle of No Where

    Barring blowing up the Skylark on the dyno this summer, I'll be in the Skylark (with paint!). They filled up in three or four days, but it was still super quick. Bunch of people are PO'd of course, but given that last year only ~123 pre-register and only 177 showed up, what indication could they of used that would happen? That's approaching 50% more people pre-registering, and almost 16% more pre-registered this year than actually showed up to run last year.
     
  16. pocket5s

    pocket5s Well-Known Member

    I'll be disappointed if I can't participate, but it's my fault for not paying attention to the registration dates. I'll probably still show up with the truck just in case some bozo decided to not show up to race and doesn't tell them before hand. If a lot of people did that I could see some upset folks over it.

    I think the only thing that would bother me otherwise would be if a bunch of people show up in vehicles that really shouldn't be there. 20+ second minivans, volvo wagons, etc. THere are a few of those that run in the midnight drags here and while it is cool they bring them out and should run whatever they want, it isn't exactly the spirit of drag week. I'm sure the vast majority of the entrants are in the daily driver class which is great, but IMO if you can't average a 15 second quarter, maybe this isn't the right event for you. That would let in all the performance cars of the last 20 years (camaros, mustangs, stock grand nationals, etc) and even most the stock muscle cars of the 60's and early 70's make it. Then again, maybe I'm just getting old :mad:
     
  17. TheSilverBuick

    TheSilverBuick In the Middle of No Where

    People like you are in the prime location to pick up spots of the no-shows, so that is definitely working in your favor. Personally I've hmm and haww'd over the daily driver class. The reality is though that every year the DD class makes up greater than 50% of the event. There are cars that enter that make guys like us think "What the heck, that's sooo lame", however we are simply observing the vehicle as it sits, there could be some entirely interesting back story to it too, or not, just don't know. Like the car that ran 18's all week and had a top speed of like 60mph. Or who knows how many people saw my late-70's car running 13's-14's all week and thinking "How lame", though I pre-registered for DD, I switched to big block N/A. I wasn't dead last! The big issue every year it seems (I've only been last year..) is support cars signed up in the DD class purely to help other class cars. Some of them are pretty obvious. That's why the new impound rule. That way the obvious cars aren't getting help from support cars if suspected of happening. But that realistically should only be a small handful out of 200 cars and not be a significant impact on over all numbers.

    And near as I can tell, all the cars looked like they belonged there, but the stock mustangs, stock camaros, stock chrysler magnums, etc, that were there are the ones to me that seem like, "what's the point?" as where is the challenge? You know the car will make the drive, you know the car won't break on the track (highly improbable anyways) and you know you won't win a class? Though I know the draw is that it is fun running down the drag strip, particularly five days in a row (six if you count the test n tune day). Most cars, like mine, are street cars pretending to be race cars and have a good chance breaking on drag strip, and others are race cars pretending to be street cars and have a good chance breaking on the street (and strip =P ), and the fun is survival of the week, the passes and the chance to win. Three cars in my class broke on the first day! Just needed 8 more to do so! I think in 2010 there were only six cars in BB/NA, so I was banking on a low number again. One year a 15 second car won Unlimited simply for being the last car standing.
     
  18. pocket5s

    pocket5s Well-Known Member

    To me, your car says sleeper, not lame. A 5 speed big block with fuel injection, come on that is just cool. It is also in the spirit of the street car wanting to be a race car which you mention.

    My truck is in that category to an extent. I drive mine 35 miles a day to work and back so it is definitely a daily driver. on paper it should run mid to high 12's and I hope to get it to do that, but I'd be happy with a low 13 or so. Most people wouldn't want to drive it daily as it is loud, has no AC at the moment and only gets about 11mpg, but that is part of the fun for me. except the AC thing... If I still lived in Vegas I wouldn't mind, but the humidity here is horrendous.

    I also agree about that challenge aspect, which is certainly the original intent.

    Sorry to derail your thread :)
     
  19. TheSilverBuick

    TheSilverBuick In the Middle of No Where


    No worries :beers2:
     
  20. TheSilverBuick

    TheSilverBuick In the Middle of No Where

    Just a picture of me with the Skylark at one of the check spots on Drag Week.

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