vin and body tag where is the line in the sand ?

Brian,
do you just make stuff up as you go along? If I wanted to deceive anyone, I wouldn't be asking about it on a pubic forum.
I hope your not the type to insult someone with accusations of intent to commit fraud when you have already been
informed of state law.
you have insulted me a number of times in this thread. why?
Are you so shallow, you feel the need to belittle someones integrity to feel better
about yourself?
Or, Are you always right and anyone that may challenge your opinion is a fool.
My view is it's all of the above based on all comments made by you on this thread.
there's is an old saying Brian and it fits right in line here.
"Just because your popular, doesn't mean everybody likes you".
think about that next time you walk into a crowd of your peers.

I am expecting a pubic apology for the rude comments you've made about me.

 

Yip disappointing .

Fyi folks Secret Vins are for Auto Theft Detectives and should not be disclosed to the general public.. Specially on an Internet forum for obvious reasons. Same as Duane won't disclose powertrain codes ...

DL

 

Hidden VINS are well known on the F-bodies, that Pandora's box was opened many years ago. However, as was noted in this thread there are many other ways to get to the truth.

FWIW, my Ram Air II "clone" is quite obvious to anyone with knowledge of them...all you need to do is look at the date code on the body tag(03C).

 

They really aren't secret; there have been thousands of guys and gals on assembly lines applying them in the past decades. I worked for GM back in the '70s at a couple of dealers and the assembly division in Van Nuys, CA (long since razed and turned into a mall). Anyone who wanted to look could observe the stamping. Nobody was sworn to secrecy.

Joe, I'm not sure if the VIN will be there, '67 Buicks are outside my experience range.

 

There were a few articles on this subject in a few collector magazines lately about this issue and the lawsuits starting to happen and being won. High end cars or even a measly Buick GSX/GS should not be rebodied. There are now lawyers out there ready to fight for a customer that was decieved and the consequences can be disastrous for the seller and restorer. The MCACN show rules also plainly state no rebodied re-tagged cars allowed to be judged. Only the real deal. I am pretty sure most Concours/shows expect the same.
Buyer Beware.

 

My GS frame is clean & powder coated. the stamped numbers on the frame MATCH EXACTLY the last 8 digits of the vin Tag and my pink slip.
This must be the alternate vin.
you can find every other secret vin online. and they are not so secret anymore.

There are members that INSIST there are vin #s on the shell.
yet NOBODY can produce a location.
this has to be the best kept secret since JFK.
Prove me wrong. I will check my shell and post a new thread titled "I was wrong"
even further. I will call CHP again. and ask them too.
Honestly, I would like to know what they would do about that myself.
The OP "how much is to much"? doesn't the law supersede personal opinion?

 

Perhaps I am wrong on that. It is, after all, a 40+ year old memory. What a can of worms! I wish you luck on the resolution.

 

Hey Jason,
Consider this.......the frame VIN is stamped. You can't remove it. The shell VIN tag is riveted on. Does that mean the frame is the "car"?

 

That Is exactly what the officer said. the frame is the car.

steeveedee...my new local friend..you were right on the vin behind the heaterbox but not
on the buick skylark. I found this on the camaro. uni-body.

buick 64203...Smoke'n' hot button. but so glad I asked. I feel I'm getting a free hi speed education in vin #s.

 

Hmmm. That's a good thing to consider too, that scenario could happen with a Buick too. BUT- the VIN tag is the only place the complete VIN is at. So, I guess it'd be the shell. But it's riveted on. So it can be replaced.......:laugh:

 

http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/paint-body/hppp-0701-pontiac-bodywork-rust-repair/

1st caption should sum it up

 

I don't believe the law can have just one base rule do to the variety of makes x models x sub models. that's impossible.
the office I spoke with said there is a lot of training they are required to take. if it was as simple as saying NOPE!.
hell, I could do that.

 

Author: Don Keefe :Smarty: is not an officer of the law or trained for this purpose. and thats a gto. not a skylark
wheres my apology ?

 

Apology NOT GONNA happen dude. Sorry :laugh:

 

I read it. Yep. It also says this:

This rusted-but-genuine '69 GTO will require a substantial cash outlay to restore. Using a rust-free LeMans body could cut resto costs by 60 percent or more, but changing the VIN on the LeMans body to that of the GTO is not legal.

One point that remains clear is that swapping VIN tags around is a Federal crime.

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