Correct Spring/Pinch Clamps - Early Build 1970 GS

Discussion in 'Color is everything!' started by Brett Slater, Feb 21, 2018.

  1. Doo Wop

    Doo Wop Where were you in '62?

    Dripping inside the car? Time for a new heater core I would say.
     
  2. BYoung

    BYoung Stage me

    It wouldn’t be fun if it was easy. Was it leaking in the car because of something you did or is the core leaking?
     
  3. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Definitely.

    Can these be redone by a radiator shop?
     
  4. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    I'm assuming it's time for a new one. I mean, it's almost 50 years old, so....
     
  5. BYoung

    BYoung Stage me

    That’s a job I don’t wish on anyone. Good news is you have a non-ac car.
     
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  6. mrolds69

    mrolds69 "The Cure"

    I would agree it should not be leaking in the car, you probably need a new core. But a couple observations...the clams are too close to the end of the hose/firewall. They should be at lease maybe 1/4" from the end (look back at the pic you posted before). Second thing is you may have the clamps crossed, because your clamp color (s) are different than the pic you posted. Finally...Buicks don't leak, they mark their territory to keep the other brands at a safe distance!
     
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  7. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    I see that now, Frank.

    This was an epic fail all around! Haha I don't know why I thought the red one was the top one....

    Either way, I'll be in need of a heater core. Any recommendations?
     
  8. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Thank Christ!!
     
  9. Doo Wop

    Doo Wop Where were you in '62?

    Brett, no need to remove your fender to change heater core. I have used the method below and it works fine. Remove passenger bucket seat for easier access.

    The Old Guy said:Here we go again!! The manual says to remove the fender, but if you look at the plastic cover over the assembly on the inside of the car, you will see in the bottom right hand corner, a round emboss. If you drill a 5/16 hole through the middle of the emboss, you will take out the stud that requires the fender removal. Then follow the directions in the manual and you can pull the core. When reassembling the unit, a little dum-dum in the hole will disguise what you did, and the three remaining bolts hold the assembly just fine.
     
  10. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Thanks for the tip!

    The last thing I wanna do is start removing sheet metal.

    All I wanted was to put the correct clamps on. Jeesh!
     
  11. mrolds69

    mrolds69 "The Cure"

    Maybe not, the smaller clamp will seal both hoses, while the larger won't seal the small hose. You can see the tangs are closer on one clamp than the other (they should appear about even). If the hose is leaking, it could leak into the car and appear to be the core. That's a crap job you don't want to do if you don't have to. Take a real good look at the clamps first, maybe even try worm clamps to be positive it's the core.
     
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  12. Doo Wop

    Doo Wop Where were you in '62?

    I'd say the seller knew it was leaking, hence the caps he used.
     
  13. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    I wanna say I put the worm clamp back on the top hose and ran it for a while - and that's when I noticed the leak inside the car.

    Could be residual from earlier? I mean, how do you test it?

    @Doo Wop - that may or may not be the case but the gentleman was forthcoming when he told me about it. Either way, it's obviously not a deal breaker. :D
     
  14. mrolds69

    mrolds69 "The Cure"

    I didn't see the post where you said it was "capped". If the heater core was capped, I'd bet A LOT of $ it leaks. A LOT of $$$!!!!!!!!! There's absolutely no other reason to cap it. In fact...heat in the car, or not, the heater is a great way to get rid of heat in 99 degree weather in the dead of summer if you get stuck in traffic on the expressway or something. It's nice to have it working for cold days, too. It actually increases your cooling capacity, too.
    When I bought my car off ebay, the seller said everything worked. When it arrived, the drivers door wouldn't open, the moron said you just need to hit the door and it would work. The directionals didn't work, he said you just need to jiggle the handle like every few seconds while you are turning. The washers didn't work, he says you will only be driving the car in good weather, so you won't need them. And on... and on... and on...
    Anyways, the only way to really test it is out of the car. But...if you believe the seller, or want to believe the seller, you can try what I said.
     
  15. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Buy an old musclecar, they said. It will be fun, they said.

    Leaking could very well be the case and I'm gonna grab a new core. The guy most likely had no intention of selling whenever he decided to cap it, so I don't fault him.

    Now I'll just have to replace it and finally have heat should the need arise. I will say that after it had run for a while today, I felt heat down below.

    I'll also say that the heater control is stuck all the way to the right, on "deice".
     
  16. Deogi2

    Deogi2 GSX - #380

    Brett, be careful where you get a core from as I changed mine last year and the cheap ones they sell today at most auto parts stores didn’t fit properly. I actually found a really good quality core from Heartbeatcity. Even though they focus on Camaro's they sell a nice copper/ brass unit for $89.00 for 70 Chevelle that fits perfectly. Most ones you find today are all aluminum. Here’s the link.

    http://www.heartbeatcitycamaro.com/...ssembly-OE-Quality-Copper-&-Brass-Without-AC/
     
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  17. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Thank you!
     
  18. mrolds69

    mrolds69 "The Cure"

    Yeah...that looks like a nice piece. Nice because it's not aluminum, and also because it has a brace for the tubes, You don't always see that.
     
  19. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    The aluminum Spectra Premium heater cores are "ok". They fit and function but aren't really correct. Thry were good enough for my convertible I had. Yep, disconnected heater cores are a red flag! lol. Does 4 Seasons still make brass/ copper cores? Somewhere on here I listed the 4 Seasons part numbers for heater cores.

    Doing the core on a non AC car isn't really that bad to do. You take the 4 speed nuts off on the engine side, glove box liner comes out, heater cables (two right? red and blue?) on box, the screw that connects the "Y" shaped defroster duct and the box should come out fairly easy. If it were an AC car, you's be taking off the right side fender or drilling an access hole in the fenderwell. The only bitch is getting the bent pipe in and out through the firewall. I think I had to tweak/ bend the lower one a little to get it to fit. IIRC, I think I stuck a 3/8" extension in the lower pipe and gave it a tug or two while bracing the base . You know your doing it right when you make that face and say, "ooooh, that moved a lot!" LOL. Doesn't hurt to have a friend on the engine side guiding the pipes though.

    I did the core on my convertible in my driveway after work. Be sure and blow out the antifreeze out of the core before you take the box out. It till dump out all over your carpet and make a mess guaranteed. I did the core on Jen's 5.0 GT. That was a nightmare. The dash down to the firewall came out. I must of had a pile of screws 2 inches thick on the carpet
     
  20. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Thanks for the tip.

    Just ordered one while sitting here in the middle of a blizzard.

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