Spark plug gap with Pertronix III?

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  1. rkammer

    rkammer Gold Level Contributor

    I've just installed a Pertronix III and a Flamethrower III coil into my 482 Stroker motor. The points conversion I removed was the single wire Breakerless SE conversion using the factory coil and resistive wire. A link to the complete install is below but, my question has to do with spark plug gap. My motor has the TA Stage 1 SE Aluminum heads with NGK FR5 plugs gapped at .035. The Pertronix coil delivers 45,000 volts to the plugs vs who-knows-what from the factory coil.

    https://www.v8buick.com/index.php?t...-your-buick-today.372567/page-98#post-3480927

    So from those who use the Pertronix II or III with the hotter coil, is it wise to increase plug gap to say, .045 or more? The Pertronix engineer wasn't very clear on this question but he did say the mixture "might" burn cleaner. So, what are you guys using?
     
  2. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    I run 35 in pops 4 speed car....it's 13 to 1 comp tho....with 10 to 11 to 1 I would try 45 for sure
     
  3. Stevem

    Stevem Well-Known Member

    You never want to go above .045" even if you have Gods lighting from the heavens to fire your plugs
    Try each at a track test & tune one day since other then dyno time its the only way to answer your question.
     
  4. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

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  5. Schurkey

    Schurkey Silver Level contributor

    ...and beware cheap-junk aftermarket coils sourced from low-wage countries, and marketed with fancy names and colorful labels.
     
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  6. rkammer

    rkammer Gold Level Contributor

    Agree. I used the recommended Pertronix Flamethrower III coil. So far so good.
     
  7. BrianTrick

    BrianTrick Brian Trick

    A custom HEI,or something like what you have can go up to .045” and see some benefit. However,if you run an MSD box in the system,you need to keep it down around .032”-.035”.
     
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  8. Schurkey

    Schurkey Silver Level contributor

    Really? I'd have expected an MSD6 or higher number to produce more potential voltage than an HEI, leading to larger allowable gaps. (Somewhat depending on the ignition coils used, and the quality of the insulation in the ignition secondary circuit.)
     
  9. BrianTrick

    BrianTrick Brian Trick

    No. It actually breaks apart. They like a tight gap.
     
  10. Jim Weise

    Jim Weise EFI/DIS 482

    Msd 6 and higher plug gap depends on static compression ratio. According to MSD, Ray's motor could go all the way to .060. I have pretty much run everything at .045, put dozens of motors of all descriptions at full load against the water brake at 3500-4000 rpm, and never had a spark plug gap related issue.

    Read the instructions:

    https://documents.holley.com/6520.pdf

    JW
     
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  11. BrianTrick

    BrianTrick Brian Trick

    I’ve seen it night and day where it was just the plug gap. A variety of compressions,engines,distributors,etc. Maybe you found some that weren’t affected,but just don’t ever rule it out.
    I should also note that regarding the Pertronix units, a lot of us have found issues show up on the engine dyno and chassis dyno that one might not ever notice just driving their car. They are a good unit and have their place in the market,but they aren’t perfect.
     
  12. Schurkey

    Schurkey Silver Level contributor

    I have used larger gaps than that...on "daily driver" engines in particular that have manufacturer-specified gaps of .060-ish. I experimented with big gaps on performance-oriented engines in my youth, and got bit a couple of times which pretty-much took the bloom off of that rose.

    At the same time, I'm suspicious of any gap larger than about .045; and don't get me started on Oldsmobiles with factory-recommended .080 gaps. Aside from anything happening in-cylinder, I figure there's no real reason to torture the secondary insulation--ignition coil, cap, rotor, plug wires. I don't have concerns about the spark plugs IF (big IF) they've got some dielectric grease between the porcelain and the plug boot. It is worth checking the porcelains, though--sometimes there's dark streaks from the plug terminal down the porcelain to the plug shell, and that's a result of flash-over which is NOT good.

    '96-2000+ SBC "Vortec" engines and the related V6 "Vortec" are infamous for failing the distributor caps; in particular the cylinder attached to the conductor that bends around the center button inside the cap. The insulation fails, then the sparks go to #3 instead of the cylinder you're hoping will fire in it's sequence. Cheap distributor caps--including replacement ACDelco--have a high failure rate.
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