Installed my 14 degree advance limit bushing

Discussion in 'Small Block Tech' started by Mark Demko, Nov 12, 2023.

  1. 69WILD

    69WILD Ron

    Ok. Pm me your address.
     
  2. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Me thinks it’s too much money for what they are and do.
    IIRC, I paid 11 bucks, Mart payed even less.
     
  3. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

  4. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    Those are ones I ate a huge groove in in the boat motor I used it on
     
  5. 69WILD

    69WILD Ron

    It seems some of us are referring to centrifugal advance limits and others vacuum advance limits. o_O
     
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  6. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    I would really scrutinize the slot for burrs. Maybe fine rattail file or fine sandpaper around appropriate round rod, to eliminate possible gouging, etc. while bushing is "working" in the slot....
     
  7. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    Steel plate vrs aluminum bushing....pretty clear winner.....
     
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  8. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

    Ima bet on the steel in the right lane, vs the aloo-mini-um guy in the left/loser lane...

    Hard anodize surface will fail when in constant contact with steel/carbon steel, with or without lubrication, and once the anodized surface is compromised, rapid wear from galling will occur.

    Bronze is superior as it provides a bit of "self lubrication" from wear and will result in both the bronze and steel faces, wearing at about the same "stable" rate, sufficient for the life cycle expected of the parts.

    Rubber bushing in the application has an inherent ability to be wear resistant, and only succumbs due to time, heat, oxidation/ozone and other environmental factors that reduce plasticizers in the rubber leading to breakdown.
     
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  9. VET

    VET Navy Vet, Founders Club


    Hardcoat anodized coatings generally have a Rockwell C hardness ranging from 50 to 70, depending on the specific process and alloy used.

    70 Rockwell surpasses well beyond heated carbon steel (Rockwell C in the 62 to 64 Scale).
    In fact, most camshafts and lifters only reach a Rockwell hardness of 50 to 55 in the Rockwell C scale.

    Don't know where you think Hard anodize surface will fail when in constant contact with steel/carbon steel, with or without lubrication.
    Even carbon steels (not heat-treated high carbon tool steel) aren't even measured in Rockwell C scale.
    These mild steels are measured on the B Rockwell scale, much lower in hardness testing than Rockwell C scale.

    If you ever get the chance to take a drill or center drill bit (Center drills are in the Rockwell C 62 range) and try to drill a hole, in aluminum that's been Hardcoat anodize, it will quickly dull the cutting edges of the drill bit or center bit and render it useless. In fact, most tool steel milling cutters
    are made to a hardness of 62 to 64 Rockwell C hardness.

    Do NOT confuse regular anodize coating with Hardcoat anodize coating, a totally different process.
    Regular anodize coating are primary used to make electrical metal enclosures non-electrically conductive.

    Great way to package electrical circuits that will not be able to short-out in a metal enclosure that's been anodized.
    with the regular coating. These anodize parts can come in various colors per customer requests.

    Do NOT underestimate Hardcoat anodizing, it is a fantastic product and tool for electrical and mechanical,
    design uses. VET

     
  10. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

    Hard anodize surface failure due to fretting with dissimilar metal interfacing.
     
  11. Fox's Den

    Fox's Den 355Xrs

    Well I guess this is what we are stuck with if you want to limit the advance. Would really help with the off idle take off.
     
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  12. VET

    VET Navy Vet, Founders Club

    I don't know where you come up with this because hard coat anodize is not effected by dissimilar metals.
    It's surface is as hard as heat treated tool steel, so there is no fretting to worry about. Vet
     
  13. VET

    VET Navy Vet, Founders Club

    Here is a excellent example of what I'm talking about.
    Black Anodized Coating (EPC100): Similar to hard anodized coating, this includes a dense Teflon seal on the skirts to increase piston skirt life. All piston surfaces are coated.

    This is the norm for today's pistons. Hard anodizing coating with Teflon impregnated into it makes for one of the best coatings you can get
    to add longevity (prevent ware) and lubricity for parts under loads of motion. Vet
     
  14. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Pretty much, buy the cheapest ones out there, cause even the ones at 4 times the price I’m sure need some tweaking with a file to fit.
    Crank up your initial, jerk the front wheels off the ground, and limit your total :p:D
     
  15. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Come to think of it, those of us with more than 2500 stall ARE at max advance as soon as the yellow goes out!
     
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  16. Fox's Den

    Fox's Den 355Xrs

    That was why I was thinking should up that to 3000 rpm
     
  17. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Your total advance or your stall?
     
  18. Fox's Den

    Fox's Den 355Xrs

    The advance move up to the stall speed yeah since the timing will already be at18-20 initial
     
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