AI Searches Are Useless

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by knucklebusted, May 4, 2024.

  1. knucklebusted

    knucklebusted Well-Known Member

    I have yet to have any of the popular AI products give me an answer I didn't already know from having done non-AI searches. They are like that doctoral thesis post here. You get a lot of verbose information but not any kind of useful answer to the question posed.

    For instance, I asked if there are any forged pistons made out of hypereutectic aluminum because in my mind, forging is a process and hypereutectic is an alloy with a definable percentage of silicon.

    All I got was regurgitated info we all know, aka, there are forged and there are hypereutectic pistons and the advantages and weaknesses of each.

    I've decided AI is for the extremely lazy that can't be bothered to construct a specific search and want the same results a proper search would return.
     
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  2. dynaflow

    dynaflow shiftless...

    ...it's no better that the data it searches. It was written by humans. It's "artificial" intelligence...
     
  3. Max Damage

    Max Damage I'm working on it!

    AI is no in vogue and is a term that is being overused like crazy IMO.

    I was under the impression that hypereutectic and forged were mutually exclusive? Not sure why I think this.
     
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  4. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    EXACTLY!!!
    My boss is sold on AI, all it does is find info that’s already out there.
    I ask, WHO would get caught up in AI???
    It’s NOT real:rolleyes:o_O
     
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  5. knucklebusted

    knucklebusted Well-Known Member

    And that's what I was trying to find out. Hypereutectic means something greater than about 15% silicon but forged pistons with silicon content doesn't exceed 12% and I wondered why or if there were crossbreeds.
     
  6. dynaflow

    dynaflow shiftless...

    ...PO of my car bought all his engine mods from a Poston catalog, so when I learned it had hypereutectic pistons, I wanted to know more about process. Like everyone else, I knew about forged parts, increasing strength by altering grain structure and density of alloys using pressure. Hypereutectic alloys are cast, and strength comes from the added silicon in the alloy (the "hyper" part), and heat treatment. Silicon responds well to heat treatment and is responsible for strength. Resulting part is lighter, harder, and cheaper, but not stronger than forged, especially under extreme conditions. Being harder (more brittle), hypereutectic pistons tend to disintegrate when they reach "extreme" conditions.
    ...manufacturing process is different, hammering vs casting and heat treating results in weight, strength, and cost differences. Then there's GMs powdered metal rods, are they cast or forged...
     
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  7. TheSilverBuick

    TheSilverBuick In the Middle of No Where

    Yup. There's more bad than good information out there and the responses reflect that.

    When the programmers "curate" the training data their biases go into it then instances like the Google Gemini disaster is the result.
     
  8. knucklebusted

    knucklebusted Well-Known Member

    Agreed but forged pistons start out as a billet slug and are done under heat just not poured into castings. I'm sure someone, somewhere has already had the idea and tried it without success or we'd have heard about it already.
     
  9. Max Damage

    Max Damage I'm working on it!

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  10. black70buick

    black70buick Well-Known Member

    Those that know about AI/machine learning know it isn't useless. Like all technology there are ignorant people selling, advertising and perverting the technology. Yes even simple searches are regurgitated and hardly a good use of the technology, so the point made is valid. It's like asking a nurse or a doctor about a cold. Arguably a waste of time for a person who earned an MD. AI/machine learning when properly align to an application is unparalleled to any current technology save neuromorphic technology. When those two (AI and neuromorphic) are combined another paradigm shift will occur.
     
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  11. John Codman

    John Codman Platinum Level Contributor

    I admit that I had to look up the definition of neuromorphic, but I think that you are right.
     
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  12. black70buick

    black70buick Well-Known Member

    I literally have R&D budget for this at the moment. What I am doing won't be a game changer but it starts with simple Q&A. That's how all of this starts. How to approach both and a functioning application of use.
     
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