1966 Buick Gran Sport Survivor! Orig. Paint, Interior & Drivetrain

I don't whose definition that is but no need to get shi**y about it. Have a nice day.

 

I have no idea what you're talking about???????????????????????????? Don't shoot the messenger.

 

You were fine up to: "I have a unrestored car that's nicer than this one that I consider to be class 3. If you want I'll sell it to you as a class 1 car. Sound OK?"

 

Ok, sorry.

 

Accepted. I think everyone is getting a bit testy these days.

So back to our regularly scheduled car talk: Despite whoever wrote that definition of class 3, IMHO, it's not right to mix an all (or mostly) original car in with "older" or "amateur restoration." Admittedly I don't know where you draw that line but seems to me there should be a different (or sub) classification system for original cars - Maybe assign points to certain aspects (i.e. an "originality factor" sub-classification) which could apply to any car, even a restored one if it retained any (or many) original parts/sheetmetal/drive train, etc? It could even be weighted (e.g. heavier for engine, little less for trans, a lot less for the steering wheel). For example, my old '70 350 4-sp. car may have been a "class 2" car by the definition you provided, but would've scored somewhere close to zero on the "originality factor." The components that were original to the car, exc. maybe the most basic elements the body shell, roof, floors & the hood (IIRC) may not have even counted. Beautiful car nonetheless but worth less to someone who values originality.

There certainly may be better (& much worse) examples of original cars and I think the underside pics are being overblown, but for a 55 y/o car it seems pretty (very) nice to me. Maybe it is a "Class 3" car but near, if not 100 on the "originality factor" which seems like a good combination. As you said, it would be nearly impossible to have a Class 1 and also very original car (well, there are probably Class 1 & 100% original Hellcats, Demons, ZR1's, etc. & millions of cars on dealer lots). I also happen to like low option (as opposed to low-class) strippers so I might be more inclined to pay a little more for this particular car than someone who would prefer a more loaded model. I also think original sheetmetal is worth something. As I said somewhere above, we can pretty easily place the value on a numbers matching drivetrain but what about all original (i.e. numbers matching) sheetmetal?

Curious, what is the original car you referred to as owning?

 

Agree, the classification system is too general for older cars.
$36,900 is fully restored territory, but a nice original like this one certainly would demand a higher value than a typical class 3 car. I would say this one closer to a class 2. Add some $$ for originality, figure the dealer could be adding 15% for his cut, and the numbers begin to make some sense. We need to realize this is the 'asking' price. What it will sell for is more likely to be a better determination of it's true value.
Jimmy buys nice cars, I believe this one came from West Virginia 15-20 years ago. Likely paid a premium for it back then too.
I am surprised this one doesn't have factory undercoating on the floors like all my Baltimore-built 65-66's. Without seeing it personally, we don't know if the undercarriage has light surface rust or deeper pitting.

 

I agree between #2 and #3 price, but I think closer to #3. I would want new complete fuel lines and brake lines under that car before driving it anywhere. Especially considering the single master cylinder. Wheel cylinders and hardware may also be required and would need at least need a going through. Then the rubber suspension bushing all look pretty done to me. The handling and ride would be suspect to me until these were addressed. So that is a lot to pay for something that will need a lot of work to be to be trustworthy.

 

Steal of a deal when a Hemi Cuda with original paint and rust sells for $270,000

 

Curious, what is the original car you referred to as owning?[/QUOTE]

I have several class 3 cars. my 65 Special Deluxe with 52Kmi. is the unrestored one I'm referring to. I consider my TTA and my Turbo Regal to be class 3 also but they have been repainted. All my cars are detailed under the hood and under neath, no rust to be seen anywhere. Desirability of a car and class are 2 different things. My 65 Special is an unmolested reference vehicle, fully documented, but it's only worth $12K (if that). I once saw a 63 Falcon, 6 cyl stick shift at Amelia Island, not a desirable car but a class 1 car. The 66GS is waiting it's "turn" on the rotisserie, it's as I purchased it

 

WOW a 928 too. 928's scream cocaine dealer to me

 

Personally I think that 66 should stay exactly like it is. I get so sick of people stripping roots. There are fewer and fewer originals left. I am old. I believe in SOUL. You can't replace soul. You can only strip it and take it away.

 

Silver and black looks good on a 66!

 

I have several class 3 cars. my 65 Special Deluxe with 52Kmi. is the unrestored one I'm referring to. I consider my TTA and my Turbo Regal to be class 3 also but they have been repainted. All my cars are detailed under the hood and under neath, no rust to be seen anywhere. Desirability of a car and class are 2 different things. My 65 Special is an unmolested reference vehicle, fully documented, but it's only worth $12K (if that). I once saw a 63 Falcon, 6 cyl stick shift at Amelia Island, not a desirable car but a class 1 car. The 66GS is waiting it's "turn" on the rotisserie, it's as I purchased it[/QUOTE]
Nice! So true about desirability/rarity/class vs. Value.

 

I used to own a dental equipment repair co, I got the 928 because a customer owed me a lot of money. Its' kinda rare since it's an S4 5 speed, not many 5 speeds made. Hans Stuck took one right off the assembly line to Bonneville and went 188 with it. It has headers into a single 3.5" exhaust into a straight through muffler. It sounds like NASCAR until it gets to 4,000 rpm, then the exhaust goes into resonance and it sounds like an Indy car.

 

I will never dog a 928. Especially an S4. They handled better than a 944 and were faster. I drove everything back then. I just grew up in the times. They were a sweet car for sure.