1970 Fire Red in Dupont Chroma Premier

looking for the correct Mix reference number and if possible the mix ratio in grams for all of the tints used to make A gallon. I know the code is 75 but the paint store tells me the color is cranberry red. I told them that the paint chip for 70 was fire red, they insist that the only thing they show is cranberry. Just want the right color. Thanks

 

Cranberry red is not the right color. Paint code may also be known as 75-e. Fire red has an orange cast to it. Fire red is NOT fire ENgine red. I know, my body shop made that mistake years ago and told me it was 'cause my old paint was faded..:af: :blast:

Check 71 year paint codes...

 

I will have to disagree with Steve on this. The shop is correct. Fire red and cranberry red are the same code #75. It is very common for shops to just have the name of the Chevy colors. Gm used most of the same colors for each make but just called them different names. There were some unique colors but not fire red. Olds called it Matador Red also code #75. When I bought my color Burnished cinnamon in cans a while back they called it Chevy classic copper and Pontiac castillion bronze all code #67. Auto color library lists your paint as code #75 PPG code 2189 for both fire red and chev cranberry red. You can look it up.

 

Here is a link to the color chip site.

http://www.tcpglobal.com/aclchip.aspx?image=1970-chevrolet-pg01.jpg

 

I've never been clear as to whether the 2-digit paint codes really designated the exact same mixture regardless of the GM division. Is an Olds code 75 really the exact same color as a Buick code 75 in 1970? Has anyone here ever gone to the factory assembly manuals and compared R-M or DuPont numbers?

I do know that they recycled the 2-digit paint codes from year to year to describe different colors. So a code 75 in 1970 is not necessarily the same color as a code 75 in '71 or '72. This is similar to how the 2-character codes for many other parts were used over the years. A TT engine one year is not necessarily built the same internally as a TT engine the following year.

 

Code 75 on all A bodies is the same color, different names. 70-72 is also the same. The Dupont version has more of an orange cast than PPG. Same code, difference is in the mixing colors and formula. May be some difference in the newer Dupont formulas ie Chroma Premier. We did my 70 GS in 1983 in Centari and we did a 72 GP last year in CP single stage. Newer formula seems redder.

Bob

 

Thanks for all of the input, just wanting to get all of the info that i can . Sometimes they will tell a walkin anything and just sell them what they want.

 

i just had my 72 gs repainted with code 75 basf waterbased paint and the red is beautiful! i do have the code mixes.

 

The GM Codes are the same colors as stated above. No difference. And yes I have compaired olds and Buick assembly manuals and they are the same codes. I have seen a Camaro painted my color #67 and it is same as Mine. Check that autolibrary site and the PPG codes are the same between makes as well.

 

Dave, thanks for clarifying about the assembly manual codes and PPG codes.

I realize now that one of my points of confusion is that I have often heard people claim that Olds Rallye Red (1970) is identical to Chevy Hugger Orange. To my eye they aren't even close. Well, now I see that they don't even share the same 2-digit GM code, so I'm not sure where those people are coming from.

 

Brian, you are correct they are all wet as Chevy guys usually are. I used to own an original paint 70 Olds w-30 convert that was ralley red. I believe code was 76 or close. Hugger orange cars (74?)at car shows were not same color as mine. Mine had more red in it but most people stilled called it orange. Pontiac carousel red as seen on 69 judge was close also but I think that was different number as well. Those are some of the brand unique colors I mentioned. Strange thing about my W-30 was because it was considered a special order color my data plate juts showed two dashes on it with no color code.

 

The two-digit GM internal code allowed each sister division to market unique (appearing) paint names and to differentiate themselves. How else do you try to promote a difference in a color of paint that is shared among four or five divisions?

GM usually kept general hues of colors in the same numerical ranges ... Reds being assigned to a certain range, Blues to a different range and so on ... I think. But, there was model year component to the colors as changes were continuously made - some retired and others introduced. Like my Mom's '73 Estate Wagon ... in Colonial Gold (deli mustard yellow, non metallic) ... paint was retired. Mom always said if you can't say something nice, then don't say it ... so I will not comment on that color.

 

Dupont # is 5118 I do not see a chroma premier formula available....the shop that is mixing the color will need to call Dupont to get a chromapemier formula....

also 1971 code 75 is a different formula

this screen shot shows what GM's different divisions called the colors

 

Sean, I will have to disagree with you on 1971 code 75 being different. I have seen 70-71-72 fire red cars all together and all looked the same. PPG lists them all as code #75 with PPG code #2189

 

70-72 are all the same. We had to call Dupont tech services to get the Chroma formula. I would suggest getting them to mix 4 ounces and spray a test panel. Nothing worse than spending almost $600 on a gallon of paint that is not what you thought it would be.

Bob

 

did not say they were different colors...said they were different formulas in dupont...

 

I would be suspicious of the 71 formula. Has a different Dupont number and was written in 1980. The 70 formula was written in 1971. The CP formula I got from Dupont is code 5118N and has a RX date of 1993. Probably converted about the time CP came out.

 

Looked in my color books and found PPG and RM show the same code respectively for 70-72 code 75. I called Dupont and they show code 5118 for 70 and code 5339 for 71. ??????? The 72 GP showed up as 5118 and was converted to CP. Think it is time for test panels. I would personally use the 5118 formula.

 

I would use the 70 formula too....was only to bring up the fact that Dupont listed 2 formula #'s the paint MFG are far from perfect as well as the car mfg when painting the cars...shop should always do a spray out so customer can verify the color before the whole car is painted....

 

All I can say is the 75 paint used on my car was NOT the same as the factory Fire red color. Verified by old paint on underside of trunk lid. Kinda hard for that to fade, seeing as it never sees the light of day.