1972 350 Surging Under Load When Stopped and at Operating Temperature

Discussion in 'Small Block Tech' started by Carlisle72, Feb 22, 2019.

  1. Carlisle72

    Carlisle72 . . .But, these go to eleven.

    Well, gang, eliminated a couple possibilities.. replaced the coil, and while doing that, I found that the red wire going to the positive side of it was broken. For the time being, I've taped it. The wires are no longer glowing, but just took the car for a drive, and it's still doing the same thing. It ran great for the first 10 minutes or so, then started acting up again. I checked gas cap as well, took it off, no difference.
     
  2. BYoung

    BYoung Stage me

    Stick with it, it’s going to end up being something simple. Did you recheck points and timing?
     
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  3. BuickV8Mike

    BuickV8Mike SD Buick Fan

    How is the choke for the carb? Is it properly adjusted? How about the cold idle screw adjustment? I had some serious stumble when these weren't correct.
     
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  4. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    Also check the choke pull off to make sure it is functioning properly. Back in the day in H/S Auto shop class the most common thing that went bad on the Q-jets was the choke pull off that made the cars run crappy.
     
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  5. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    It's very difficult to help when it is unclear exactly what is going on. I have enough experience with working on old cars that I can tell an ignition related miss from a fuel related problem. They are night and day different. You are describing a surge, maybe because you have no other term for it. Is it popping back through the carburetor, or do you have a hesitation or sag when you step on the gas? Does it feel like it is going to die, then recover when you back out of the gas? Try and describe the problem better.
     
  6. Carlisle72

    Carlisle72 . . .But, these go to eleven.

    I'll check each of these tomorrow, guys!
     
  7. Carlisle72

    Carlisle72 . . .But, these go to eleven.

    It's a hesitation when I step on the gas, but it's not dying out, no. When it gets all warmed up, it starts misfiring while idling in park/neutral, and when it's stopped and in drive/reverse, it kind of shutters and runs badly, and it'll kind of jerk the car forward a bit even with brakes applied. Again, giving it gas from a stop, it cuts out intermittently until I get up to speed. I believe it's misfiring at cruising speed, too, but it's hard to tell with noise/engine speed. Sorry for not being clearer.. I'm still pinpointing how to word what the problem is.
     
  8. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Have you checked the point dwell? Watch the dwell as you rev the engine in Park. It should not vary a lot. Dwell affects ignition timing. Not sure why it runs great for the first ten minutes, then starts to run badly. Coils can break down when hot, but you changed the coil so that eliminates that.

    With a fuel problem, acceleration sags, and the car may nose over, but lifting off the gas and the engine recovers. It isn't doing that, correct?
     
  9. BuickV8Mike

    BuickV8Mike SD Buick Fan

    So not really surging from load only. Horrible throttle response in the driveway also?
     
  10. Carlisle72

    Carlisle72 . . .But, these go to eleven.

    Correct, sir. And, I haven't checked the dwell/gap yet, so I'll do that tomorrow. To be completely honest, I've only messed with points once before, and that was on my mom's Beetle, so I have some more learning to do on that front.

    Yep, as it approaches fully-warm, it starts to misfire worse and worse. It never gets to the point where the car dies, but it's not very drive-able at that point.
     
  11. BuickV8Mike

    BuickV8Mike SD Buick Fan

    I had a cracked head on my Toyota 4.6 V6 and it behaved just like your car.
     
  12. Carlisle72

    Carlisle72 . . .But, these go to eleven.

    Whoa boy. I'm really hoping that's not the case. Would I see smoke or something?
     
  13. BuickV8Mike

    BuickV8Mike SD Buick Fan

    That was on an alum head. I'm still thinking yours is carb related. Did the former owners give you any clues?
     
  14. Carlisle72

    Carlisle72 . . .But, these go to eleven.

    I'm thinking carb, as well, but I'm definitely going to go through all of the systems / ideas that have been mentioned. The previous owner said it ran great all last summer, and he stored it back in October until I bought it. I doubt he knows anything about this issue, but I'll shoot him a text tomorrow to see if he ever noticed anything like that.
     
  15. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    The ethanol fuel can go bad pretty fast. Pull a spark plug and look. If they are black, that might be why.
     
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  16. Carlisle72

    Carlisle72 . . .But, these go to eleven.

    About to pull plugs to take a look, I checked the Q-jet filter.. is there supposed to be a check valve for this particular carb? It has the spring, the filter looks OK, but no check valve.
     
  17. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    They come with and without. Not a big deal.
     
  18. Carlisle72

    Carlisle72 . . .But, these go to eleven.

    Ok cool.. here are 4 of the plugs from drivers side.. looking pretty black on a couple:

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  19. rex362

    rex362 paint clear and drive

    you running a little rich there ..clean em all up ...start her up

    then try looking down the carb when its bogging on you and check for dribbling fuel /flooding

    if none...... we check fuel pump .....disconnect your fuel line by filter and get a container and have someone crank the engine -no start just crank -
    and If I am correct its suppose to get a pint in about 30 seconds...this is volume check

    if your vacuum gauge does fuel pressure then do a pressure test ...crank for 20 seconds 4-6 pounds



    no worries ...with this long distance help on forum we all gonna make a
    master diagnoser out of you :)
     
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  20. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    How old is the fuel? The black ones look like my plugs when the E10 I was using went bad. They should all be black though. Are you sure the carburetor isn't flooding, or fuel isn't dripping at idle? Pull your oil dipstick and smell the oil. Does it smell like fuel?
     
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