2005 BPG Nationals Car Show Options, Please Vote

Discussion in 'Buick Performance Group' started by Duane, Sep 10, 2004.

  1. Duane

    Duane Member

    To all,
    This years Car Show was a very successful event. There were very few problems and everyone seemed to have a good time. However, I still hear talk about changing the show format. Below are the 3 options that I see the show can take. Please take the time to read over everything before placing your vote.

    Option 1 (Concours classes judged, all others popular vote.)
    This would leave everything like it was, with the Concours classes being the only classes being judged. All other classes would be Popular vote and the break for stock vs modified cars would remain the same. This would allow for Gold, Silver, and Bronze Concours trophies, and 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place trophies for all other classes. (This year the regular class trophies were Winner and 2 Runner Ups. This would definitely be changed for next year, if we keep the current show format.) Concours classes again will remain as an option for cars in all stock classes. (Note; It is not within the power of any judge to force a car into one of the Concours classes. We can suggest, to an owner, that he/she should place their car in that class, but that is as far as we can, or will go, period.)

    Option 2 (Judge the entire show.)
    The Concours classes would remain the same, but now the regular classes would also be judged.
    This would require the following;
    1. We would need to develop a 100-point judging system for the regular classes, with considerations being made to judge the modified classes. (The current 400-point system would be too involved to judge an entire show field in a reasonable time.)
    2. We would need quite a few people, possibly as many as 24-36, to volunteer as judges, and we would also need possibly 10 more people for clerical help. The judges would not only have to be knowledgeable regarding the type of cars they will judge, but would also need to give up at least 2 hours of their time on show day. Time would be needed to familiarize everyone with the judging forms and to split them up into groups. Once the cars were judged, each teams judging forms would be checked over. If any problems were found, they would need to be corrected before each group could be released. Then the extra clerical volunteers would tally up the votes, and prepare lists for the class winners.
    3. We would also need to put a system in place that would make the judging sheets available upon request. (I do this now for the Concours classes, but with only a limited number of cars.)

    I already see a few problems developing from this type of set-up;
    1. If we figure the size of the show, and the number of people needed to run it, it would mean that a sizeable proportion of the contestants would be involved in judging the cars. This would mean that many of us would be working instead of looking at the cars, talking to each other, and having fun. (Welcome to my world.)
    2. I see people complaining regarding the knowledge level of the judging teams. (Especially from someone that expected to win but didnt.)
    3. This type of show would take longer to do then other types, and would probably require cutting further into the Racing schedule then last years show. Most people are talking about making the show shorter, so they can watch some racing. I have no problem with that whatsoever, but I dont see how this type show can be run in the time allotted.
    4. And more importantly, the pitting of one Buick brother against another would increase instead of decrease over the type show (Option 1) used last year.

    Option 3 (Concours classes judged, all other classes participation only.)

    This is the opposite extreme, from an all judged event. Again the Concours classes would remain the same, but now all the other cars would be put in classes by year/model but with no differentiation between stock or modified. We could give everyone, including the Concours classes, a car show participation gift, like a larger dash plaque or something.

    This option would do quite a few things for us,

    1. We could probably lower the cost of entering a car in the show because the participation gifts would not cost as much as the car show trophies. This alone would probably bring in more cars, as it would make it more attractive to owners.
    2. There would be NO feuding in the regular classes about cars that were too nice.
    3. There would be NO bitching about modifications.
    4. This arrangement would give the entire show a much more relaxed atmosphere, and would help build the comradery that we all share, vs the opposite of pitting one Buick brother against another. (It would be like a large car show, where everyone got together to have a good time.)
    5. The need for a small army of judges, and clerical help will be avoided.
    6. The participation in the regular classes would definitely increase by a large percentage, because many of the supposedly "non-worthy" cars, which sat on the sidelines this year, would join in because of the non-judged nature of the show.
    7. The participation in the Concours class will probably increase also, because they will get something whether they earn a trophy or not. Plus more entrance level cars will move into these classes so they can get their judging sheets and learn what to fix.

    To be honest, the only down side I see for this option is that some people will be unhappy that trophies will not be handed out for the regular classes. Most people will not care, but I am sure that some will not attend if they do not have the opportunity to take a trophy home.

    To sum everything up, here are the 3 choices again,
    Option 1 (Concours classes judged, all others popular vote.)(Like last year.)
    Option 2 (Judge the entire show.)
    Option 3 (Concours classes judged, all other classes participation only.)
    Please post, PM, e-mail, or snail mail, your vote for either option 1, 2, or 3. If you would rather call and talk about this, then PM me for my phone number. I will also give you the times you can call. If you do call, do not leave your vote on the recorder, but call back until you get a live body. The recorder is old and the messages sometimes get garbled.

    Note, only votes with a full name, and either a current V-8 or Turbo Buick call name, BPG #, GSCA #, or BCA #, will be considered valid, all other votes will be tossed out. If you would like to add a statement as to why you made your choice, please feel free to do so.

    I am also going to send this to Rick, so it can be published in the BPG newsletter. (I know it might seem strange, but not everyone uses a computer, and his or her votes must also be counted.)

    The deadline for voting is December 31, 2004. No, and I repeat, NO votes past that date will be accepted! This will give us plenty of time to set everything up for the show.

    I will keep a tally of the votes, from all sources, and let everyone know the direction the show will take, once the voting is over. Its your Club, and your choice.
    Thank you for your time.


    Duane Heckman
    120 President Ave.
    Rutledge, Pa. 19070
     
    Last edited: Oct 6, 2004
  2. Duane

    Duane Member

    Guys and Gals,
    I posted this exact same thing on the BPG and Turbo Buick sites.

    Now what I need to tally a vote is a full name, and either a current V-8 or Turbo Buick call name, BPG #, GSCA #, or BCA #, and the Option that you vote for.
    Here is an example,

    Duane Heckman, BPG # 1031, Option-------

    That is all I need.
    Thank you.
    Duane
     
  3. Patsusedparts

    Patsusedparts Well-Known Member

    Should I?

    Duane,
    I voted on the BPGForums board. do I need to do it again here?
     
  4. Duane

    Duane Member

    Absolutely not.

    If anyone has voted on one of the other 2 sites then DO NOT vote here. I am writing down all the votes by hand, from all the sources, including phone calls. That is why I can't afford to look up everyones info, I do not have the time.
    Duane
     
  5. Duane

    Duane Member

    Anyone up for voting on next year's show? The polls are open.
    Duane
     
  6. Michael Evans

    Michael Evans a new project

    voting

    I liked how it was done this year (option one) with maybe a small change.

    trailer cars in one class and driven cars in another.

    kind of had the same feeling as Al. (without the personal feel)

    Maybe I can have my car there next time. :)
     
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2004
  7. Duane

    Duane Member

    Michael,
    Thanks for the vote.

    Anyone else? There are still tons of people out here that have not voted yet. This is your chance to make the car show into what you want.
    Duane
     
  8. Duane

    Duane Member

    I am still waiting to see a bunch of people vote their opinion on the show. It seems that most people here voice their opinions about everything else, I don't see why this should be any different.

    Remember, this is your chance to make the show into what you want. If you don't vote, and the show takes a direction you don't like, then shame on you.
    Duane
     
  9. IDOXLR8

    IDOXLR8 Senior Member

    Buick Show Judging

    My choice is #4 (mine). To keep the show as it was last year and just add a non judged display class. This would give more flexablity to the show without all the added people needed to judge. If you all like this let Duane know. AL. :Comp:
     
  10. Duane

    Duane Member

    Al,
    Your choice of keeping the show like it was last year but just add a non judged display class, is what I listed as option 1.

    With option 1 anyone can request a blue "display only" window sticker. This will allow them to place their car in the correct class, but the car will not be voted on.

    If this is what you meant, then let me know, and I will put you down for option 1.
    Duane
     
  11. IDOXLR8

    IDOXLR8 Senior Member

    BPG Nationals Car Show

    Duane, I read your first option and didn't see a display class listed. AL.
     
  12. Duane

    Duane Member

    Al,
    There is no seperate display class listed because there is none. If you look at the rules I set up for the judged classes it lists regular, display, senior, and archival window cards.

    If an owner wanted to put his car in the show, but not have it judged, then he can opt for a blue display card. Then the car goes into it's regular class, with all it's brothers, but does not compete with them. This was also an option for this year's show. (Both Brad's and my car had them in the windows.)

    The other 2 cards, namely senior and archival, have not been needed yet, but this may become an issue for next year.
    Duane
     
  13. Yardley

    Yardley Club Jackass

    Option 1. And start placing cars on the lot at 8AM so we can see them all. End by 1. Trophies at 2.

    Instead of giving each car their trophy on the track, just have the cars line up and do a parade run down the track as winners are announced. Drivers can then pick up their trophy at the BPG tent.
     
  14. Dana/Beth Andrews

    Dana/Beth Andrews Huc accedit zambonis!

    Car show vote

    Dana & Beth Andrews BPG# 1534 Option 3 (Concours classes judged, all other classes participation only.)

    I like the idea about larger dash plaques. Maybe they (dash plaques) could have magnet strips instead of stick-on :Do No:

    Beth :grin:
     
  15. Duane

    Duane Member

    Beth,
    I have both your and Yardley's votes listed. I will get Al's when he gets back here. Thanks.
    Duane
     
  16. IDOXLR8

    IDOXLR8 Senior Member

    BPG Nationals Show Car

    Duane, that being said I think opition #3 would be best, AL.
     
  17. Carl Rychlik

    Carl Rychlik Let Buick Light Your Fire

    Duane, I'm all for that type of judging system-this way everything remains fair and the cars are placed in their respective classes.
     
  18. Duane

    Duane Member

    Al,
    Got ya, and thanks for your vote.

    Carl,
    Not quite sure which option you want.
    Duane
     
  19. DugsSin

    DugsSin Well-Known Member

    At this point in the clubs life I will have to say keep it simple and friendly. Option #3 gets my vote.
    See ya'll in 2005 in Salem!
     
  20. JR Wills

    JR Wills Well-Known Member

    Duane:
    I recomend following same format (#1)with a modification.
    Have ballot box checked at regular intervals during the show, and emeptied so the tallys can be given out quicker and the racing can resume, IF you are to continue to use the staging lanes.
    In the past, (Super Car Showdown Days) the "Show" was on the grass area that was used for the car corral, and to the East. We were able to handle the Show, and continue racing at the same time.
    I DO understand, that Weather COULD present a problem, if wet, but it worked in the past when we would pull over 300 enterants for Racing, & 100+ in the Show.
    JR Wills
     

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