2020 Mid Engine Corvette

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by Ryans-GSX, Jul 21, 2019.

  1. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    I'm excited to see something new from gm, even if it flops, but it just looks too much like cheap Ferrari knock off, not something new and iconic.
     
  2. hwprouty

    hwprouty Platinum Level Contributor

    I like it..
    I tested a 2019 ZL1 Camaro this week. That thing was pretty wild! Getting on the freeway my sales dude friend told me to nail it, which I did. Pulled REAL HARD, and the blower yelling gave me wood!
     
  3. tufbuick

    tufbuick RIP

    208.jpg Screen Shot 2019-07-21 at 11.30.08 AM.png Looks like a Camaro from the back, too many angles going on all over the car...no flow or nice soft curves anymore.
    This is what I think represents what a Corvette should look like.................not the one on the right !
     
  4. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    I drove an early z06 for my wedding, back when 405hp was a big deal, the only way I could drive one any distance is if I could had taken the front seat out. At 6'4" 350lbs modern vetted are not built for guys like me. Besides with a 4 and 6 y/o they fall into the I have dream category. Like my wife being able to wear her size 6 jeans ever again.........just not going to happen, but fun to dream about
     
  5. HotRodRivi

    HotRodRivi Tomahawks sighted overseas

    That new corvet probably has a 6 cylnder in it. Or a 4 banger. It may even be a front well drive frame turned around to be a pusher instead of a puller
     
  6. blyons79

    blyons79 Well-Known Member

    You’re comparing a ZR1 to a base model. Wait til the ZR1 comes out....I’m betting it’ll be pretty wild.
     
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  7. tufbuick

    tufbuick RIP

    They'll make it a wide body, throw some high wing on the back, slap some carbon fiber do dads on it and it will have more angles that will make it look more confusing. Basically the same look with more bling. I don't care for the 2019 ZR1, especially the giant wing and the cat fish looking front end. Just my opinion.

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  8. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest

    From zero to 60 mph the C8, with only 495 normally aspirated horsepower, already runs with a C7 supercharged model.
     
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  9. tufbuick

    tufbuick RIP

    Jim, that is being questioned on the Corvette sites as GM hype. We'll have to see some side by side comparisons when they finally release them to the public.

     
  10. Ryans-GSX

    Ryans-GSX Have fun, life is short.

    Do you think this is possible because the power transfer distance ? If the engine was exactly the same in a front engine vs mid engine would one be faster than the other because of distance the power has to travel. I also wonder if the performance difference is due also in part to the 8 speed transmission now in it ?
     
  11. blyons79

    blyons79 Well-Known Member

    I'll tell you what blew my mind. At the release they said that you can program the car to remember (IIRC) up to 300 locations for the car to automatically raise the front end to get over speed bumps and steep driveways etc. You can manually raise it of course...but the auto memory is very cool.
     
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  12. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest


    A rear engine six cylinder Porsche Turbo with less than 500 hp can also do 0 to 60 in about 2.8 seconds. For sure, the trans and weight are factors. But, the rear engine configuration is very much a factor.

    If at 4500 pounds a stock Dodge Demon can do 0 to 60 in 2.3 seconds, you can see where the future supercharged C8 is going performance wise.
     
  13. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest

    Corvette relative performance over the years by model:
    https://www.motortrend.com/news/chevrolet-corvette-performance-history/?wc_mid=4035:17128&wc_rid=4035:1378655&_wcsid=0B2C67AB0BDF0338126522EAB2C8C7A988BA91CFEAB24B6D

    ENGINES OF MT-TESTED CORVETTES


    Smallest: 3.9L/150-hp I-6 (1954)
    Largest ever: 9.9L/580-hp V-12 (1993 ZR-12 Conan coupe, MT Mar. 1993)
    Largest production car: 454 cu-in V-8 (available in various outputs in various model-years)
    Least powerful: 3.9L/150-hp/143-lb-ft I-6 (1954)
    Most powerful: 880-hp/1161-lb-ft turbine (1978 Chevrolet Corvette Turbine coupe, MT Nov. 1979)
    Most powerful production car: 6.2L/755-hp/715-lb-ft supercharged V-8 (2019 ZR1)
    Lowest power density (hp/liter): 28.9 (1975 L-82, 5.7L/165-hp V-8)
    Highest power density: 122.5 (2019 ZR1, 6.2L/755-hp supercharged V-8)



    QUARTER-MILESTONES, DISCOUNTING THE 1969 ZL-1'S 10.6-SEC @ 132 MPH RUN


    First sub-15-second quarter-mile elapsed time: 14.9 sec (1957 283 "fuelie" three-speed manual)
    First sub-14: 13.4 sec (1967 427, 4m)
    First sub-13: 12.8 sec (1998 LS1 coupe, 6m)
    First sub-12: 11.7 (2006 Z06, 6m)
    First sub-11: 10.8 (2019 ZR1/1ZR/ZTK, 8a)
    Slowest quarter-mile elapsed time: 17.8 seconds (1956 "265" 4.3L/210-hp V-8; we failed to run the '54 the full quarter mile)
    Quickest: 10.8 sec (2019 ZR1/1ZR/ZTK 6.2L/755-hp supercharged V-8)
    Quickest production car: Same as above
    Lowest quarter-mile trap speed: 77.5 mph (1956 "265" 4.3L/210-hp V-8; we failed to run the '54 the full quarter mile)
    Highest: 133.1 mph (2019 ZR1/1ZR/ZTK 6.2L/755-hp supercharged V-8)
    Highest (production car): Same as above



    0-60 MPH


    First production car sub-7-second time: 6.4 seconds (1957 283 "fuelie" three-speed manual)
    Sub-6: 5.8 seconds (1957 327 "fuelie," 3m)
    Sub-5: 4.4 seconds (1990 ZR1, 6m)
    Sub-4: 3.8 seconds (2006 Z06, 6m)
    Slowest 0-60: 11.6 seconds (1956 "265," 2a)
    Quickest 0-60 of all time: 3.0 sec (2019 ZR/1ZR/ZTK package, 8a)
    Quickest 0-60 for a production car: Same as above



    60-0 MPH


    Longest stop: 195 ft (1960 "283" with drum brakes)
    Shortest: 88 ft (2019 ZR1/1ZR/ZTK)
    Biggest model-year improvement: 147 ft to 120 ft (1981-1984)



    GRIP & HANDLING:


    Skidpad (measured mid '80s-present), figure eight, elapsed time (measured 2010-present)

    Lowest lat-g: 0.75 g (1967 427 tested in 1997)
    Highest lat-g: 1.17 g (2015 Z06/Z07)
    Slowest Fig-8 lap: 25.2 seconds (2015 Z51)
    Quickest F-8 lap: 22.3 sec. (2017 Grand Sport, 7m)


    YEAR MODEL BODY DRIVE DISP ARRNG ASPIR HP HP/L TRQ TRNS 0-60 0-100 1/4 mile .@ speed 60-0 skidpad F8 time at ave g
    C1 1954 Corvette 235 convertible RWD 3.9L I-6 na 150 38.5 143 2a 11.5 169
    1956 Corvette 265 convertible RWD 4.3L V-8 na 210 48.8 270 2a 11.6 17.9 77.5
    1957 Corvette 283 "Fuelie" convertible RWD 4.6L V-8 na 230 50.0 3m 6.4 14.9 95.0
    1958 Corvette 283 convertible RWD 4.6L V-8 na 230 50.0 3m 9.2 17.4 83.3
    1958 Corvette 283 convertible RWD 4.6L V-8 na 245 53.3 3m 7.6 15.9 91.6
    1958 Corvette 283 convertible RWD 4.6L V-8 na 250 54.3 305 4m 7.6 15.6 92.4
    1958 Corvette 283 convertible RWD 4.6L V-8 na 290 63.0 4m 6.9 15.6 95.0
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  14. riv2x4

    riv2x4 Well-Known Member

    That guy with the Tesla will be waiting 6 months for parts. Build quality is horrible, you couldn't give me one of those or the stock. Huge fraud, SOX issues, SEC issues, lawsuits everywhere. Bankrupt is 2 years or less, Musk out sooner than that.
     
  15. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest

    Braking 60-0 MPH


    Longest stop: 195 ft (1960 "283" with drum brakes)
    Shortest: 88 ft (2019 ZR1/1ZR/ZTK)
    Biggest model-year improvement: 147 ft to 120 ft (1981-1984)
     
  16. Julian

    Julian Well-Known Member

    Top gear just did a test on the Tesla.. he said it's a rocket to 100mph after that the gas engines start coming.

    We noticed that last year at the track against a Demon. The Tesla would pull on it out the gate thanks to the instantaneous torque and demon snatched it and pulled away. Same thing when the owner of the Curtis's hotel brought out his 720S.

    Now think about it.. I think the Demon was the less expensive car in this lot. I think the benchmark is the 720s with today's cars. The Pista will eat that car on the road course.

    At an autoX event.. an AC Cobra (a real CSX not stock) struggling still managed to beat the 720 by a tenth. Keep in mind, this cobra does has done lateral GS in the 1.3-1.47 g range depending tire and suspension tune. Bruce was having issues with car since they have been on concrete.


    That C8 is going to make things easier for Chevrolet. They optimized the front engine layout. Time for change...I love the car.

    I hope the rumors aren't true about the ZR1 powerplant (1000hp) bending and cracking the frame. Next Z06 will 745hp
     
  17. OZGS455

    OZGS455 Oh what a wonderful day!

    at Mopar Sunday here a few days ago I saw my first TrackHawk racing, it did have fitted a bigger blower than the Hellcat/TrackHawk.... unit and was blowing off Hellcats easy.......to answer your question, yeah Id have a Vette, have to be something from the sixties though, and doubt youll ever see me driving something electric or modern.
     
  18. Eric

    Eric Founders Club Member

    Tesla's are indeed fast as I rode in my neighbors friends P100 D but IMHO...
    They have a feel and look of a android car. They seem to be missing a heart. And the front ends
    remind me of the future utopia car ride from Disneyland of the late 50's early 60's. If you haven't gone for a ride in one it's quite an experience to behold. But like anything else the
    excitement wears off. Our old Buicks are fond memories relived. Going really fast is just one part of the automobile experience and the sound of a snarling V8 is music to the ears... again IMHO.
    Eric / Oregon
     
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  19. Dano

    Dano Platinum Level Contributor

    I like it. I think it'll be a big hit. I don't understand the purists since this has been being teased and prototypes have been around for decades, but can't please everyone.

    I'd questioned not buiding both but was surprised to see the base price under $60k - That's what they needed to do and I guess it shouldn't inherently be more expensive to build a mid-engine in sufficient quantities & the only way to get the qty. was to abandon the front engine model. They apparently knew what they were doing.

    I suspect the European "supercar" manufacturers are more than just a bit worried.
     
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  20. riv2x4

    riv2x4 Well-Known Member

    I think Chevy locked down the coding on these so that Tuners would have trouble with mods. Is 600 hp efficiently delivered enough? What can the frame and body take before cratering on their own?

    The last gen Vette was an incredible value compared to "supercars" of European heredity.
     
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