70 GSX vs 70 Chevelle SS 396

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by 1969RIVI, Jan 8, 2020.

  1. GKMoz

    GKMoz Gary / Moz

    I'm assuming the 396 in this post was a puny 325 or 350 horse motor? the L78 396/375 h.p. motor would not get womped like this green one did? IMHO
     
  2. 442w30

    442w30 Well-Known Member

    I remember looking at a '65 4-4-2 and the seller called the 400 a small-block.

    Now I don't know who to believe!
     
  3. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    The 2 different Olds 400 engines they made back in the day both were the tall deck engines so you can't even make that argument with either one of the Olds 400 engines they made back then. Unless maybe a 400 sbc was transplanted into the car?

    http://victorylibrary.com/mopar/m-table-c.htm
     
  4. 442w30

    442w30 Well-Known Member

    Some people don't know any better, but insist. If I was a buyer, I'd just let him have his day in the sun and use my energy in talking him down in price.
     
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  5. Golden Oldie 65

    Golden Oldie 65 Well-Known Member

    My `71 El Camino came with, and still has, it's original numbers matching 402 big block but has a 400 emblem on the front fenders. Unless I open the hood someone is always telling their buddy that it's a 400 small block, which those of us who actually know these cars know that Chevrolet never put a 400 small block in a Chevelle or El Camino. They might have after `72, I really don't know, but from that point on I never paid any attention to them because IMO they are as ugly as a mud fence. Try to explain to them while the 402 was badged as a 400 in the `71 & `72 Chevelle, it was still badged as a 396 in the Camaro. And neither of them were actually 400 cubic inches. The moral of this post: At any given car show or cruise night there will always be someone who knows more about a car than the owner does. Confused yet? :D
     
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  6. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    I’m impressed with the amount of discussion regarding “big” vs “small” blocks. Lol
     
  7. 70 GMuscle

    70 GMuscle Plan B

    In 70 they no longer had the 325 hp.
    L34 350 hp 396(402) was base.
     
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  8. rolliew

    rolliew Well-Known Member

    Especially if they were to race an automatic in the SS just like the Buick had.
     
  9. GKMoz

    GKMoz Gary / Moz


    Performance. In 1970, the L34 variant of the 402 could produce 350 horsepower at 5,200 rpm and 415 ft-lb. of torque at 3,400 rpm; these are identical performance ratings as the equivalent variant of the 396. That same year, the L98 variant of the 402 was rated to produce 375 horsepower at 5,600 rpm and 415 ft-lb. :) :)
     
  10. 442w30

    442w30 Well-Known Member

    You mean "L78" not "L98."
     
  11. gstewart

    gstewart Well-Known Member

    The L78 produced a way over 400 hp, unofficially, of course.
     
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  12. Mike B in SC

    Mike B in SC Well-Known Member

    It was rated at 425hp in the Corvette.
     
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  13. GKMoz

    GKMoz Gary / Moz

    My room mate in the Marines bought a 68 Chevelle with the L78 396 4-spd ! That thing was an absolute monster......Scary fast
     
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  14. Golden Oldie 65

    Golden Oldie 65 Well-Known Member

    And in the `65 full size Chevys
     
  15. 442w30

    442w30 Well-Known Member

    I kinda doubt it even put out 425 horses.
     
  16. 70 GMuscle

    70 GMuscle Plan B

    I would think a well tuned one would have hit 425.
    But how many were?
    I wonder what the specs are for a 65 396/425.
     
  17. 70 GMuscle

    70 GMuscle Plan B

    A 68 396/375 was a formidable engine.
    But like all things. Some were better than others.
    With modern machining on our old iron these cars all can fly.
    Love me a big block.
     
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  18. 442w30

    442w30 Well-Known Member

    A 428 CJ put out around 335 net, 410+ gross.

    I would think a L78 would be similar, though all things being equal (i.e. stock), I think the CJ was consistently faster. The L78 was more peaky and really turned on when modified. But what do I know? I can't figure out how to tune a Quadrajet.
     
  19. GKMoz

    GKMoz Gary / Moz

    I drove a 427 /435 horse Corvette and it was a total monster......the Chevelle I referred too? was darn near there !....so I'm guessing the H.P. rating on the L78 was down graded for insurance to weight ratios? But what do I know? I can't tune a Quadra-jet either :)
     
  20. 442w30

    442w30 Well-Known Member

    Insurance wasn't such an issue in 1966 when the L78 debuted for the Chevelle.

    But GM had a hp/lb rule that I think was limited to 10, and the Chevelle weighed less than3750 lbs, which may explain why it wasn't advertised?
     

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