70 Stage 1 ragtop-barn find

Sorry for the confusion. He's in Scottsdale this week so I guess the price went up. He said 65K min o No:


DL

 

The car Don is talking about was also on E-bay about a month ago.Maybe someone can find it.I dont believe it had a bid.

 

OK here we go there were no bids at 45K. From his email I assumed a bid would buy the car.But why not jump the price 20K if theres enough fools bidding on a project...I would :grin:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/?cmd...48&item=250932062748&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT

 

Thanks joe . Looks nice. Funky alt pulley and brake booster . And need some undercoating in the rear wheelhouses . Easy enough to correct .



DL

 

Watching the disposition of these two cars should be enlightening. They are nearly identically optioned, and both are documented 1970 Stage 1 convertibles. They both have traveled a similar (supposedly) number of miles. The New York car needs some work to be road worthy, and the Missouri car would make a fine driver as is.

Granted, someone wanting a driver would be well served to purchase the Missouri car and drive it, but a buyer wanting a concours correct car will need to spend thousands regardless of which of the two they select. The New York car needs extensive work to get there, but includes most, if not all of it's original parts. The restored car runs and drives, but also needs some attention to bring it to a concours level. In addition to the aforementioned alternator pulley, brake booster, and lack of undercoating, there are some other hard to find parts that are missing. Items like correct fan shrouds, steering wheels, Stage 1 carbs and distributors are not cheap. Many of these parts are missing from the Missouri car, and present on the New York car. There are still some uncertainties. Does the New York car have the original fan shroud? The Missouri car does not. Does the Missouri car have the original distributor? The New York car does.

The glaring difference here seems to be the potential value of a project car with it's original drive line compared to that of a restored car with only some of these parts. Perhaps the market is about to determine this difference, and it will be interesting to watch.

And...there is always a chance that neither of these cars will sell.

 

Jim,1 or both would look sweet next to your hardtop!:Brow:

 

Matching set. Jim you have pics of your hardtop on here ?



DL

 

Can someone explain the alternator pulley in the photo and that alternator arm is an A/C arm...

 

I didn't look at the arm, the pulley is definitely wrong. My guess is someone raced that car, the larger pulley would make the alt turn slower using less HP. I think it was raced 'cuz they changed to a Holley, and 'cuz the distributor is gone too, it probably had a dual point Accel, or HEI. I also noticed there are no side or bottom views, would not surprise me if that car has headers. You know....the "sin of omission" when listing.

 

Bingo, But he said it has the Original exhaust manifolds to go with it.

As for the pulley, no clue what that's from. Should be the dual pulley 1961408.



DL

 

That is a Moroso P/N 64870 5" pulley designed to reduce the speed of the alternator. Definitely a race part, insufficient charging for a full time street car. Sold a ton of those when I worked at Jegs in the 90s.

As for the arm, same arm (GM called it a brace) was used on all 1969-70 400 430 and 455ci applications except Riviera. It was big block specific, but not A/C specific.

 

Yup, it was a racer! You can see the Accel coil still there. Like I said...they only show you + tell you what they want. Would not surprise me if it had a Line-Lock, electric fuel pump or driveshaft loop. You can't see the brake lines. It might only have header mufflers on it. Who knows? Still cabe put back stock, though for $$$.

 

From what I see there is a 100K resto needed unless Mark buys it or JW or GSJO ect. If you are to pay for the labor and parts to make this car what it should be you'll spend 100k + the asking price. Plenty of Stage 1 convertibles out there for less and ready to show/drive just have to look and be ready with the cash when the car becomes available.

 

Thanks for the info.

I have several 455 Alternator braces on the shelves from big car 455's and over the years many passed through my hands and most have the hole / provision for A/C. My non/AC 455 does not have the hole for A/C in the brace...

 

Scottsdale ? Not BJ? Are they doing reserves at Scottsdale now?

 

BJ auction is held @ Westworld in Scottsdale

 

Chris, how's the snow by you ?

 

It's not just B-J. There are many many other auctions in town as well.

DL

 

About 10 inches here Ron, which is a lot for us!