70 Stage 1 Timing Cover Removal Questions

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  1. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Tomorrow night, I plan to start removing the front of the engine in order to replace the timing chain and gears.

    Aside from the typical things that will need to be removed, is there anything else I need to know while I embark on this adventure? Coolant is already drained as of earlier today.

    Thanks in advance!
     
  2. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest

    I suggest having new hardware on hand. I always use an impact gun for the balancer bolt.
     
  3. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Unfortunately, I don't have access to an impact gun, so that's out.

    As for new hardware, along what lines?
     
  4. hwprouty

    hwprouty Platinum Level Contributor

    I'm thinking new bolts for the water pump and timing cover bolts. They are usually crusted in place....
     
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  5. Gallagher

    Gallagher Founders Club Member

    On the 455's that I've torn down, the long bolts that go through the block into a water jacket, were not in good shape.
    I'm sure you want to keep yours looking original.

    Call Todd and see if he has been able to locate the longer bolts.
    http://www.diecastmusclecars.com/dcmbuickfasteners.htm

    TA 1110-455 Timing Cover Bolts 400-430-455, includes water pump & fuel pump............................................ $44.95
     
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  6. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest

    Unless you can clamp the flywheel, you may want to wait. The crank bolt needs to come out and you have to retighten it back to over 200 foot pounds. I would have the new hardware in my hand too. Get an impact gun from Harbor Freight. The socket needed is odd like 1 1/16" or 1 1/8 ". Without it, you are not going anywhere.
     
  7. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Buy a musclecar, they said. It will be fun, they said....
     
  8. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest

    I looked. It is 1 1/8" for the crank bolt.

    On the bright side you asked before you started and you get to benefit from the mistakes we made before you.

    When I say get an impact gun, I mean an electric gun.
     
  9. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Duly noted and thanks!
     
  10. Stampy

    Stampy Well-Known Member

    Take a picture of how your distributor is clocked before you remove it. You'll have to re-set the timing when you're done, but its good to have a reference of what is "close".

    After you get the balancer bolt off, you'll need to remove the balancer itself. Sometimes these just slide off, other times they need convincing. O'Reilly (or wherever) rents/sells a screw-jack style balancer puller that works well.

    The timing cover uses both the timing cover gasket and the oil pan gasket to seal up the engine. Presumably you have a new timing cover gasket ready to go on, but I don't know that anyone makes just the front section of the oil pan gasket? Anyway if you damage the oil pan gasket, you may not be able to get the motor sealed up right again. I am not sure what the right solution is to this problem... but it could be a problem. Hopefully someone else chimes in with experience.

    As for installing the actual timing set, make sure to rotate the motor until the "dots" on the big sprocket and the little sprocket line up, before you remove the old parts. Then it should be as simple as lining up your new parts dot-to-dot, and sliding them on. You can remove the spark plugs and rocker shafts to make rotating the engine easier, if you do end up having to fiddle with things.

    My main advice would be to just use a lot of care. All of your engine's coolant and oil flows across the parting line between the timing cover and block. Those surfaces will need to be scraped and cleaned really thoroughly. The timing cover gasket is a floppy horseshoe-shaped gasket, and can be difficult to get to sit just right, especially with the engine in the car. If its not perfect it can leak, or block off oil flow.
     
  11. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    The timing cover gasket set comes with the front of the oil pan. If the pan gasket doesn't rip and its in good shape, leave it be. Clean it up and give it a smear of Ultra black permatex.

    Out of morbid curiosity, why are you replacing the chain and gears?
     
  12. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    3 distributors later and it won't start. When it does, it won't stay running and when it stays running, it sounds like hell - like it's just way out of whack.

    Initially, after getting it timed last weekend and taking it through its paces, a quick check with the light after the test drive showed it moved about 7 degrees. We thought maybe it was the old points distributor, so Paul brought down a small body unit and we after much tweaking, it finally started but was waaaay off.
     
  13. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    So you want to know the bad news?.....

    If the engine jumped time, then that would have to mean its got the original plastic tooth upper cam gear. So where did the teeth go? yep....
     
  14. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest

    Taking off the oil pan with the engine in the car is a pain but there is little choice if plastic teeth are stripped off the chain.
     
  15. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    On a 4 speed car, its next to impossible
     
  16. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    You can remove the balancer bolt with a long breaker bar. Put the socket and small extension onto the bolt. Then attach the breaker bar and position the end against the floor ON THE DRIVER'S SIDE. Crank the engine with the starter, and it will loosen the bolt.
     
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  17. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Preparing for the worst and hoping for the best. Pray for me....
     
  18. BYoung

    BYoung Stage me

    You can do this Brett. Your car is worth every bit of sweat you're pouring into it.
     
  19. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Thankfully, I have very competent and proficient help. :)
     
  20. cjp69

    cjp69 Gold Level Contributor

    Well,

    How did it go?
     

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