79 turbo riviera ?

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  1. My3Buicks

    My3Buicks Buick Guru

    [QUOTE="300sbb_overkill, post: 2811760, member correct wheel drive!? [/QUOTE]Don’t you think you’re just so clever, LMAO
     
  2. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    Very cool, and it looks like the body may even be bolted on as well!

    I wonder why no one has converted one to correct wheel drive before? Looks like you might be able to just lengthen a Regal frame 6" or shorten a LeSabre/Estate wagon frame 1.9" and your good to go. Of coarse they don't tell you the width of the dam cars to know if it can be done.

    The front end is certainly long enough to install the engine correctly as well with a correct wheel drive frame underneath it.

    How effing cool would one of those cars look with some sort of hood scoop?! Probably wouldn't need one because of how tall the body is in the front end area?

    If I have an opportunity before I die when I have the $ to get a deal on one of those cars I just may do one up? I do have WAY more engines than cars so.......................? And I have a couple of older A-body frames that I can try to use for that.
     
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  3. My3Buicks

    My3Buicks Buick Guru

    You would need to allow for a drive shaft tunnel if you changed it to Wrong Wheel Drive, depending on how the underside is shaped, you may also need to allow for full axle. Maybe you should actually drive one before assuming that there is anything wrong with where the drive wheels are. Someone must have thought the FWD was good since sales exploded over the previous year RWD ones and remained popular throughout the 7 year life cycle. There are applications where FWD surpass RWD and where RWD surpasses FWD, all depends on the platform and the application the car is being built for - personally I think AWD is correct wheel drive. BTW, the GN stole it's wheel design from a Riviera lol[​IMG]
     
  4. Mike B in SC

    Mike B in SC Well-Known Member

    Aren't these notorious for cooking the turbo bearings?
     
  5. BeatersRus

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  6. 68 Wildcat

    68 Wildcat Dash Riprock

    I had a 1970 Eldorado 500 cu. in. 400 hp. and the chain drive concept scared the sh*t out of me, but I loved the lines of that car so much with those taillights that could disembowel an inattentive pedestrian!
    I owned it for 5 years and never had any problems with the chain drive at all. Couldn't keep CV boots in place on the front axles, but that drivetrain , other than that, was way overbuilt and reliable.
     
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  7. Doo Wop

    Doo Wop Where were you in '62?

    Hot air turbo is it? Similar to the '85 GN?
     
  8. pbr400

    pbr400 68GS400

    The engine is already in correctly! All it needs to he rear wheel drive is a solid rear axle, a rear wheel drive transmission, a driveshaft, and then the floor and rear kickup clearanced, and mounts for the rear end and trans crossmember need to be made. However, unless your goal is drag racing it, I (like Keith) would probably keep the fwd and focus on the overall power and handling. It’s so close in size to a G body that hacking one apart just to build essentially a Regal Limited is a lot of work. As a high speed tourer, fwd would be fine. As a dragster, you’d be better off with a Regal. And turbo engine is more like a ‘79 Regal, Century, or LeSabre Sport Coupe-hot air with a carburetor).
    Patrick
     
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  9. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA


    Here's why IMO front wheel drive IS incorrect wheel drive;

    FWD transmissions can hardly handle the power that the engine the factory connected to it makes unless its one of those TH425 that the Eldorados and Tornados had attached to the big engines pre '77 but those are only 3 speeds.

    The FWD cars from back then aren't popular now because ya can't put a bunch of go fast parts on them because they don't make a trans that's worth a crap for the incorrect wheel drive cars!(and that's what makes them incorrect wheel drive) Nothing to do with the way they handle or drive except for they are a bit(massively) low on power.

    On the other hand, a correct wheel drive car has many many transmission choices like manual 4 speeds, 5 and 6 speeds as well and the automagic choices are very plentiful as well;

    200R4, TH400, TH350, 700R4, 4L80E, ST400 and even the ST300 that all of these transmissions can be built to handle an engine that makes some decent power!

    Whereas there is only one incorrect wheel drive trans that can handle a decent engine and its only a 3 speed with no O/D, the FWD TH425. The problem with this trans is that it is NEVER a direct swap in for any FWD car other than one that came with a TH425.

    The main reason to own an older car is to hot rod it, and the fwd cars just aren't any fun because ya can't get a good trans for them.
     
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  10. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    The problem with that idea, see post # 29.
     
  11. My3Buicks

    My3Buicks Buick Guru

    Frankly 99.8 percentage of people in the world don't give a damn that you can't build them up, some of us enjoy the experience how it was meant to be. FWD cars are not as popular for collectors because, let's face it, not much of those years when FWD was becoming the go to drive is collectable, even many of the "muscle cars" of that era are just now starting to see some movement. There are also several FWD cars that are starting to have a def collector following. As far as transmission choices , Let's see, I have driven 4, 5 and 6 speed manual FWDs, and certainly a ton a various automatics including the select shift automatics in FWD's. They are up to 10 speed automatics in many FWD's Most FWD cars of today will outrun most muscle cars of the 60's and 70's with exceptions of course. Even basic FWD cars give numbers that most V8 cars of the 60's and 70's could only hope to show. For instance, we will use the new Buick Tour X Regal wagon and not the new Regal GS with the larger motor, the wagon does 0-60 in 6.2 seconds the same as a non-stage 70 GSX - I said I would keep it fair, I guess I could have used the new Regal GS numbers but I didn't wan't to beat your delusions down too much as they are right in line with a GSX Stage 1 car. There are a good many FWD cars that are under the 5 second mark and a whole pile of the in the 5's(factory by the way, not modified) .
    The main reason to own an old car is to hotrod it?? I think you need to learn a lesson from the VAST number of people around the world that buy an old car for what it is, not what it could be after you completely change everything about it. So about everything you said has been debunked as BS
     
  12. My3Buicks

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  13. BeatersRus

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    sticking to the Transmission side of things..
    didnt some mopar guy build an all wheel drive offroad racer using toronado parts?
    the cheetah?
    scott??

    and wasnt james garners? offroader build w olds front toronado power?
    im not saying they were,i just recall something...? along those lines.
    point being,the transaxles workded in the rallies pretty well.
     
  14. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    WOW dude, didn't mean for my opinion to make you all but hurt and such!:rolleyes:

    To make that old Riv fast, you would have to totally transplant the entire front wheel drivetrain from one of those cars you mentioned with WAY more fabrication than it would take to make it correct wheel drive.

    If you like FWD cars, I'm NOT going to say "that is BS you shouldn't like those" just like when I say I do NOT like them you shouldn't be saying that is BS to not like them.

    We weren't talking about any modern fwd cars, I thought we were talking about a '79 Riv what the flock dude? Those were slow smog neutered turds! But they look half way decent and I think they look better than a Regal.

    If I do convert one I hope you don't get all but hurt about it.:p:D

    I own a couple fwd cars and know they are trying to make them better, but they will never be as fun as the old Buick torque with RWD. I HATE having to do donuts in reverse, don't have to do that with correct wheel drive.;)
     
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  15. 300sbb_overkill

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    Yeah, that's the TH425 I mentioned that is the only decent FWD trans that can handle some big block torque.

    I like to have O/D if I have a choice though and I like to have a choice.
     
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  16. BeatersRus

    BeatersRus Guest

    totally my bad,realized it afterwards,brain fart there,carry onwards kind sir
    does make one wonder why they havent made up an od trans setup for the 425,,,hmm.
    im thinking the gear vendors overdrive wont fit in there ;)
     
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  17. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    Unfortunately, no it won't, no in between to mount one.
     
  18. My3Buicks

    My3Buicks Buick Guru

    I was calling BS on your list of reasons you were stating as they were mostly bogus and unfounded- you can dislike FWD all day long, don't care, but don't give BS reasons that suit your needs and are not factual, you can like RWD just because without making things up. I see you change the conversation and years, etc to suit your needs in the conversation. I like RWD, I like FWD, I can appreciate both and the applications they are used for, I prefer AWD. That's why a Buick Tour X is in the future.
     
  19. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    SO, what overdrive FWD trans can I bolt right in that car that will handle BBB torque?
     
  20. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    The thread is "79 turbo Riviera?" how did I change the year? NEVER was I writing about any modern turd car.
     

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