Discussion in 'Race 400/430/455' started by hugger, Sep 6, 2019.
How did you get in the 9's with over 3400lbs???
$$$$$$$ and lots of $$$$$
I shutter to think what kind of money I've spent on just my orange car to this point,..gotta be close to 100k I'm sure,..and now it looks like a stolen recovery ha
Chassis is gonna be legit this time around,...blasting the new frame next week gonna be packed with cool and functional additions. Will be getting fresh paint with a new look,..and a healthy shot of power to make it go. Since bailing out of the twin turbo Tomahawk,..I gotta redeem myself,..and fast
I did a 464 on the cheap with stock rods, 12.5 flat tops, hydraulic cam, block I bought for $100, used $1200 Stage 2 heads (plus $1500 porting/valve job), used Wildcat intake, used Dominator 1050. Spin it to 6500. Don't know how much I have in it but not a whole lot. Went 9.96 on a great day at Cecil but that's in a 3700lb GS so 3400 car be even easier. Been in the car for 15 years.....
Your results may vary but with buying used parts you can save. $$$..if that's what you want to do....good assembly and machine work is the key....
I’ll let you know if and when I ever get there. I’m only qualified to talk about 12 second combos. Lol
Keep it simple and efficient...
I love fabrication but some times I get caught up in creating and miss enjoying the car. If that makes sense??
Weight reduction is the best route. It can be expensive but once it's paid for, you're done.
Makes perfect sense Gary,.and I very much know what you mean,,you do things that dont have to be done to set yourself and your ride apart,..but often times you just lose sight of the goal and have a few cool things, .but it doesn't run or go ha
I wish I could write you a check,..and get to wrenching ha
His 505 would be an awesome motor for anyone to have, a proven runner
I'm sure you recovered some of that 100k you've spent over time, buying and selling parts for this car.
At this point, why not roll that heavy chassis to the other end of the shop and start over with chrome moly tubes? Then you can work your way up in power over time. Why do all that work to dip into the 9's? Might as well build for 8.50's.
Make the Orange car ready to run with the super 16 guys and the X car can run in GSR.
I think that your wife would encourage it. She did buy you that fancy helmet after all.
ETA: Look at me with all the answers. Now, where's my checkbook.
I have a checkbook........
It bounces pretty high. Lol
Start your chassis build with nothing, and I mean nothing, but weight management and 60’ in mind.
Only when that is done, do you think about drivetrain.
Light weight TH350
Nice tight 5500 converter
482” stock crank
Nice Solid cam
Stage 2 heads
I'm leaning more towards keeping it anyway... It would be pretty cool in the 65 I'm putting together.
Don't blame u one bit, that's one of those things that's hard to replace,..or at the very least time consuming,..but yea that could be the foundation for a wicked street car,.be it NA or a head gasket change away from a procharger
I'm a little lighter than 3400 in my 87 Regal Turbo T. It was 3100 with me on the scale, full of fuel and ready to race. But that was before trading a cast SP2 and Quick Fuel 1150 for that super sweet billet intake from Rob at Precision Billet and the Pro Systems SV-1. Not sure of the difference but that high-rise billet intake has to weigh more than a cast T/A. I also shaved 9 pounds by ditching the headliner; can't stand it when the glue gives up and let's it polish your head and helmet with the felt liner! LOL
After buying the car in 2017 I ran it about 15 times with a best of 10.085 at 135.45 at Cecil. 60' times were usually 1.44-1.46 but Cecil also gave me my best of 1.41. I tore it down at the end of 2017 and everything looked like new inside. I re-used everything except the rod bearings, mains and cam bearings. Silver lining was when I tore down the Trans too and found that 3rd gear bands and clutches were toast and starting to slip.
I assumed the tach was acting up because after the 2-3 shift it would go straight to 6500 and stay there until the stripe.
Converter was a Coan 5K rpm unit when I bought the car but I called JW and got one of his Tri-Shield 8.5" converters with a 5000-5200 stall speed. Missed all of 2018 getting everything put back together. Went to Quaker back in June looking for 9-something!
I made a couple of easy passes to make sure the rings were seated and to make sure everything was happy together. It made me happy when I made a full pass and went 9.865 at 134.88 with a 1.3377 short time. Race day on Saturday found me so tickled to have gotten into the 9's that I stepped all over my.....um....shoe laces.
I lit the red bulb twice and fumbled to a 10:80 and a 10:15 but I still considered it a successful weekend. Had a great time with super people at an awesome event.
What could be better?
Next pass was at Mason Dixon in August. Thanks to BQUICK Bruce for setting us up with the Outlaw Pontiac guys. It was 95 degrees that day with crappy air!
After roasting in what felt like Death Valley in a car with windows that don't go down while wearing a fire suit, gloves and a helmet, I was DONE, actually---WELL-DONE after only one pass. I did a 9.805 at 134.25 mph with a 1.3498 sixty foot.
Getting better all the time!!
With only 5 passes on the fresh engine and trans I'm very optimistic and hoping I can keep going faster as me and the car get more comfortable together.
Here's the build-up of my 523" bored and stroked Buick bullet!
Internally Balanced Iron block with a girdle, lifter valley plates epoxied in place and a short fill done by Mike Phillips.
Crower Billet crank with 4.400 stroke, bore is 4.350
Solid Lifter cam from Comp Cams, .600 lift intake, .627 lift exhaust.
Duration @.050 is intake at 274* and exhaust at 284*
Intake Center Line is 109* with Lobe Separation of 113.0*
3/8" pushrods with 1.65 TA rockers---Not Rollers.
TA Stage 3 Tall Port heads, ported but no flow numbers.
Single carb Precision Billet High-Rise intake.
Pro Systems 110mm SV-1 carb
T-400 with Reverse Manual Valve Body, Foot Brake only. No Trans Brake
Back halved car with 9" narrowed Ford rear with 4.11 spool.
4-link with Afco Coil Overs.
10 point cage
31 X 14,X 15 Goodyear Eagles
No Delay Box
Sunoco Supreme 112 Leaded
There is a lot more in it Phil...especially if you keep your right foot all the way down. HaHa. 9.40s and 140+mph for sure. My Jag is heavier and not nearly the motor and has seen 9.70s. If the weather holds for next weekend you could be there. US13 is almost as fast as Cecil.
60ft will definitely be where my main interest will be ,..I wont have an abundance of power.
But if I'm going to be running the tunnel ram its gotta run at least 9s or I'll look like a dink ha
What cam did you use