Are speeding tickets REALLY in the name of safety?

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by jay3000, Mar 17, 2018.

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  1. jay3000

    jay3000 RIP 1-16-21

    Seems like the ahole that is weaving in and out of traffic and trying to push people around is the one that never gets the ticket. The one that's riding alone going a little over makes a nice easy target even though it seems quite safe..

    For safety's sake.
    If it's pouring down rain and almost dark, how about some lights? It's the law here, and pretty easy to enforce, but turns out there is no fine. Interesting. No one will ever get a ticket for that.

    Around here, even law enforcement forgets to USE YOUR TURN SIGNAL.

    If getting a speeding ticket is "in the name of safety", why are they stopping people in the "emergency stopping only" lane. Is it an emergency? Doesn't seem safe to me. It also causes a disruption in the flow of traffic as well.

    Just saying.

    Jay
     
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  2. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Did you get a speeding ticket Jay?
     
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  3. OHC JOE

    OHC JOE Mullet Mafia since 2020

    If you did get a speeding ticket I say get one of those ticket clinic places it worked for me...
     
  4. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Lawyer Up!
     
  5. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Its a revenue generator for the state county or municipality. Nothing more
     
  6. faster

    faster Well-Known Member

    If your from Gainesville FL speeding tickets are a necessity along with reckless driving thrown in for fun even when none of that happened because the cops are bored. People criticized Stark and Lawtey but they could not hold a candle to G'ville PD.


    Mikey
     
  7. hdpegscraper

    hdpegscraper Well-Known Member

    Fishing.... wants/warrants & drugs.
     
  8. 66electrafied

    66electrafied Just tossing in my nickel's worth

    Speed kills, sure; - as long as it's coupled with negligence and inattentiveness. In Germany they have the Autobahns where there are no speed limits in sections, and in others there are, but higher than around here. A lot more people are on them at any given time, and if you believe the LEA in north America, the carnage should be incredible, but in reality it isn't, why?
    The speed limits around Edmonton and area are set to being ridiculously low; it's almost as if they goad you into speeding to alleviate the crushing boredom so they earn money. In fact, on some of the local commuter highways one is apt to fall asleep if you do the limit, you get lulled to sleep because it's so incredibly boring. One's mind is not being challenged to stay aware, you just plod on at some stupidly slow speed watching as the countryside unfolds at a very sedate and mind-numbing pace. These roads are as wide as runways and 2 or 3 lanes with limited access; so why is it 45 mph? All around the city there are these "revenue generation zones", where they hide and park a photo-buggy and spend the whole day snapping pictures, there's no schools around, no high collision crosswalks, no nothing except straight empty road. You can't tell me it's about safety in places like that.
    And no, I haven't got a ticket recently.
    But it is incredibly frustrating where the highways and commuter roads are bigger, wider and straighter than any in Europe, cars are more reliable and handle better, there's driver education and "smart" cars, and the posted speed limit is the same as it was back in the 1950s.
    It's been suggested that most police department's mottoes aren't "To serve and Protect" anymore, it's "We nail and Collect". And to top it off, the proliferation of "peace officers" (there's nothing peaceable about them) lately just proves that they can't earn enough and every facet of government is getting into the revenue generation game.
    For the past 3 days on the main road that runs past our place some "peace officer" set up a radar trap and started nailing people. It was all pretty lucrative as they keep coming back. The average speed on that road is 10 km/h (about 6mph) over the posted limit. There are no crosswalks and the intersections are well lit and marked with lights. I've been tempted to yell out at these thieves to go and get a real job instead of stealing money from people, but of course that would be disrespectful and in this day and age could result in fines or a charge seeing as no one has a sense of humour anymore. And to those who say the officers are in the right because people are breaking the law, yes, you're right, but save me the sanctimony, it's all about the money,there's no safety involved here.
    Prove me wrong, I challenge anyone.
     
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  9. gsfred

    gsfred Founders Club Member

    In NY I believe speeding ticket fines go to the State. The game is to plead not guilty. The town judges are more than happy to plead you down to something less so that the town gets the money. A friend go a 65 in a 45 ticket went to court, pleaded to illegal parking on a highway. No points, $80 fine and had to take a drivers safety course. It's just a revenue game. Ask a trooper once why there were so many speed traps on the Taconic Pkwy. It's a 55 mph rd and eveyone speeds. His explanation was that all troopers have to issue their fair share of tickets and it was easy to do on the Pkwy.
    Same counts for the red light camera's and speeding camera's.
     
  10. DeeVeeEight

    DeeVeeEight Well-Known Member

    My vehicles are equipped with dash cams. I am tired of all the BS.
     
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  11. faster

    faster Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately you must shut if off on Florida once you are stopped if the police tell you to. So you may be able to prove what you did but you cannot record the officer without his/her approval. With that said I had an officer change the address of the infraction so I had no proof I did not have an infraction at that address.

    Mikey
     
  12. GSX 554

    GSX 554 Gold Level Contributor

    110% CORRECT Jason . All they want is the money.
     
  13. jay3000

    jay3000 RIP 1-16-21

    Nope.. I got one about 6 years ago for going 9 over on a deserted interstate though. GPS said only 5 over however. That's where cruise was set. I just paid it. Did not affect insurance and would go away in a few years. It was in fact the last day of the month. And this is true. The officer apologized three times to me during the stop.

    I've driven about half a million miles the last 14 years for work as a service tech.
     
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  14. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    EVERY ticket is in the name REVENUE:mad:
    Here in Cleveland, (other cities as well) there was a big stink over red light cameras, the city "its about safety"
    A few years later they eliminated 'em, the city " were going to loose tons of revenue"
    I thought the cities said it was about SAFETY!!!
     
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  15. John Codman

    John Codman Platinum Level Contributor

    X2!
     
  16. gs66

    gs66 Silver Level contributor

    They raised a lot of the 55’s here to 60 so tha5 helps a little. The problem seems to be in the cities anf small towns where they have the limit for a long way out of town, well past any intersections or buildings. Not as bad here though as in some states where the speed limit in some small towns is 20-25 MPH. It’s hard to even go that slow.
     
  17. bw1339

    bw1339 Well-Known Member

    It's not so much the ticket, but increased insurance rates for years.
     
  18. 66electrafied

    66electrafied Just tossing in my nickel's worth

    It's just too bad that there's no one out there with deep pockets willing to take on the various levels of government under the old "highway robbery laws". It's an old law under British Common Law which all the laws in the English speaking world are based on. They supposedly all still are valid and can be used as precedent in any court case.
    Now I'm no lawyer, so don't shoot me if I get the wording wrong, but any good lawyer should be able to still look up the law and how it's supposed to be interpreted.
    What they state is that any public official who should arbitrarily set or levy fines for profit or gain shall be forced to repay the public debt out of their own pockets or forfeit their lives. In medieval times each town or city was tasked to maintain the roads around their area. So any poor tourist or merchant stopping through became fair game, as they levied and prosecuted anyone who wasn't from there with impunity. This law was supposed to stop that, which it did. This is the big argument against photo-radar and stop light cameras, they're mechanical and they do nothing to stop the supposedly illegal act from continuing, which is another tenet under common law. Also, you are supposed to see and hear your accuser, and then challenge him in a court of law, not just pay a fine to make it go away.
    This was also to prevent impoverishing the public because every time the king went on a progress, local officials were to maintain the roads and feed the king's retinue which they did using special taxes and levies. They weren't supposed to do that without the permission of the populace or who could ever vote. This was designed to prevent that and put the costs back on the noble or fief. I think the last time it was actually prosecuted was in the 1790s in England, I don't ever think it's been tried here.
    It would be interesting to see how far it would go before the "State" realized that their entire taxation regime is actually technically illegal under the highway robbery and usury laws.
     
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  19. DBS

    DBS Well-Known Member

    I'm probably that a-hole:). The "safety" issue is people that think they have a G-d given right to drive in the LEFT LANE. Speed limit is 65 and the cops typically aren't after anyone unless they're 20 over. GTF over and I wouldn't have to weave. Sorry, I've had it! Now I've resorted to, if I don't have to go over 2 or 3 lanes to get past someone, to blaring my horn as I pass them on the right & then cutting in front of them and motioning to GET OVER! Sometimes it actually works and they do:). Then I get over if I'm not passing anyone to set a good example. I do think a lot of ppl are just ignorant of this all is supposed to work.
     

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  20. DBS

    DBS Well-Known Member

    Sounds like present day Louisiana.

    I was in traffic court and a fella was contesting a ticket for speeding on an exit ramp (yellow "recommended" speed sign) and the judge ruled in favor of the defendant & said the sign was in fact just a recommended safe speed. So now, exit ramps are fair game to test the handling and if I ever have to go to court, I'm citing that precedent from a 1988 (ish) traffic court ruling. I bet the judge and cop will a bit suprised when I pull that out of my a**.
     
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