Buick/Olds 215 vs Rover 215

Discussion in 'Small Block Tech' started by Brandon Cocola, Jan 4, 2020.

  1. Brandon Cocola

    Brandon Cocola Well-Known Member

    So I know there is some differences in the Buick and Oldsmobile 215. So where does the Rover 215 fall, is it exactly like the Buick or Olds or is there some differences.

    Another question could you bolt a 4 barrel intake from the Buick 215 on the Rover engine or the fuel injection from the Rover on the Buick 215.
     
  2. Alssb

    Alssb Well-Known Member

  3. Jim Nichols

    Jim Nichols Well-Known Member

    Rover 3.5 is similar except accessory mounting and conventional sleeves rather than cast in place.
     
  4. woody1640

    woody1640 Well-Known Member

    I have a complete fuel injection set up from an early 90's Rover 3.9L engine mounted on my original 63 Buick Skylark 215 motor. I have everything from the intake manifold to the plenums and from the injectors to the ECM.

    I have seen others do the same. Looks pretty cool on an old classic car.

    Keith
     
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  5. Brandon Cocola

    Brandon Cocola Well-Known Member

    Another question, Rover made bigger displacement engines, are these very close to the 215 or different.

    Also what years are the rover engines the same as the Buick.
     
  6. Jim Nichols

    Jim Nichols Well-Known Member

    3.5 and larger bore 3.9 are very similar to the Buick 215. The 4.0 and 4.6 use larger bearings and longer rods. They also have crossbolted mains.
     
  7. Brandon Cocola

    Brandon Cocola Well-Known Member

    Would the 4.6 bolt in place of the 215.
     
  8. woody1640

    woody1640 Well-Known Member

    Yes it will I know a few people have done it.


    Keith
     
  9. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    I looked at using a 4.6L Rover to make a stroker with because it has a 3.700" bore and are only good to go .030" overbore so what is another .003" per side so I could use off the shelf sbc 305 pistons. Using a sbb 350 crank with 6.00" rods would be 337.64 CID! The deck really isn't tall enough to go any bigger than a standard stroke sbb 340/350 crank. Using a stroked sbb 300 crank and nascar take out rods would be a better way to go. Can go from 3.400" factory stroke to 3.540" stroker stroke and build 310 cid engine.(4.6L = somewhere in the 280s cid area so around 30 more cubes)

    I scrapped the idea because I was worried about block strength because of the full weight cars I would have to install it in. In an MG would be SWEET though but I don't have one of those. Besides the sbb 300 isn't much heavier and is WAY stronger than those aluminum blocks and can be made into a 362 CID engine with a stroked sbb 350 crank and would even be able to handle a bunch of boost!:eek::cool:

    Also with spacers you could bolt a Rover FI intake to a sbb 3oo if you wanted to? If I wanted FI though I would probably by one of those FiTech self learning TBI units to top it off so I wasn't limited to a factory intake.
     
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  10. Brandon Cocola

    Brandon Cocola Well-Known Member

    How about Honda rods with a 1.889 journal size you could get a little more stroke.
     
  11. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    Some of the nascar take out rods that are sold on eBay have that size and others are for the 1.850" size for an extra .140" of stroke.(the .010" is sacrificed to ensure the journal gets a 100% cleanup)
     
  12. Brandon Cocola

    Brandon Cocola Well-Known Member

    I stopped by my local junk yard and they had two 4.6 rovers in there. This has me thinking about a 61-62 special again.
     
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  13. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    One of those cars would be light enough for a 338 stroker!:cool: I wouldn't use any boost or nitrous though. But if you get the TA Rover heads to top it off with you won't need those crutches unless you want a drag race only car. If that is the case then the sbb 300 would be the easiest swap in one of those cars and can handle boost or nitrous.

    I'm not sure what kind of transmission choices you have with the Rover or 215 engines without some sort of an adapter though? And with a more modern trans in one of those cars I have read they need some floor surgery to make them fit.
     
  14. Brandon Cocola

    Brandon Cocola Well-Known Member

    For transmission depending on horsepower my first choice would be th350 or metric 200, if I go manual I would think T5, or 4 speed and hydraulic. There is the option for the adapter that you cut the bell housing off the trans and bolt the new one on that has the engine bolt pattern.

    Another thought is what are the Rover trans options, any 2wd or easy to convert to 2wd.

    I would probably not get TA heads since I could either spend the money on porting and rebuilding the stock heads or rebuild the stock heads and put the rest of the money into something else.
     
  15. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    That's fine, it all depends on how good you want it to run. But just so you know, even with ported heads you won't even get close to the flow of the TA Rover heads without porting. Even if you use a set of aluminum "64 sbb 300 heads and have those ported, you would be lucky to see the intake flow in the 170 CFM area with level 4 around $1,500 of port work. On the other hand, the TA heads give you 225 CFM of intake flow right out of the box which is enough to support 450 pump gas HP if you can spin it fast enough.

    The cylinder heads are where the power is at, you could always add those later. If that's an option for you don't waste any $ on port work, just make sure the bottom end can handle it when those heads get swapped on.

    Here's a website that may be able to help you if you haven't already seen it;

    http://www.aluminumv8.com/
     
  16. Jim Blackwood

    Jim Blackwood Well-Known Member

    Much easier/cheaper to match a trans to the 300.

    Jim
     
  17. Brandon Cocola

    Brandon Cocola Well-Known Member

    Yes but you would not have an aluminum engine. Also as far as availability I can find rover engines in every junk yard anywhere. What ever car I find will have most likely a 215 but them and 300 are a little less common than the Rover engines, which not only comes into play when building it the first time around but if a replacement is needed.
     
  18. Rossco

    Rossco Greetings Earth Creatures

    Or you could go down this route

    http://www.v8buick.com/index.php?threads/my-latest-rover-build-293cu.320525/
     
  19. Brandon Cocola

    Brandon Cocola Well-Known Member

    Rossco, I like the trumpet intake setup. Since I already have a 500+hp car I would build the rotating assembly like yours go with a smaller cam and to keep it on a budget port the stock heads and no procharger and just leave the trumpets open or through the hood. Might have to build a air filter housing for the street.
     
  20. Brandon Cocola

    Brandon Cocola Well-Known Member

    Has anyone looked into the Borg warner t35 transmission. I believe they used it in the MGB with the rover v8 and in the AMC cars in the US.

    Is the MGB 4 cylinder the same bell housing as the 215.
     

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