Chasing Fuel Pressure

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by 73 Stage-1, Jul 11, 2020.

  1. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    No such thing as having too much fuel volume. Rather have too much than run out
     
  2. telriv

    telriv Founders Club Member

    Yeah, lean out on top end is not GOOD!!!! Detonating itself to death & you don't even know it.
     
  3. 73 Stage-1

    73 Stage-1 Dave

    An edit: I lied o_O The Earl's gauge does have a vent for air bleeding - it wasn't until I took it off that I noticed! Sorry for the mis-information. Oh, and RobbMc is waiting for Buick fuel pump arms... he's hoping to ship the end of next week. Hurry up and wait...
     
  4. 73 Stage-1

    73 Stage-1 Dave

    Received a present today from RobbMc by way of USPS... hope to get to it before the weekend and put the chase to bed.

    7-27-2020 RobbMc Fuel Pump.jpg
     
  5. GS464

    GS464 Hopelessly Addicted

    Dumb question. Does the mechanical pump have a bypass/fuel return on it?
     
  6. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Yes
     
  7. No Lift

    No Lift Platinum Level Contributor

    I hope you are going to get a refund for that Edelbrock electric because that thing is bad if your mechanical Stage 1 pump gets you more pressure. Although, that is low for a S1 pump with the return blocked off. If you can't return the electric I'd look into its' internal regulator. I'd bet the valve is being held open slightly by some debris keeping the pressure and volume low.
     
  8. 73 Stage-1

    73 Stage-1 Dave

    EDIT! - No... please see Shurkey's reply below!

    Ran into something unexpected tonight... I went with the optional second outlet on the side, as I'd like to revisit my fuel line routing and it arrived with the second outlet opening 3/8" NPT. The normal inlet and outlets are 1/2" NPT. I ordered two steel 1/2" NPT fittings along with the pump, so that's a bit of a o_O
     
    Last edited: Jul 29, 2020
  9. 73 Stage-1

    73 Stage-1 Dave

    Too late for a refund... I've had it about two years, although it has less than 500 miles on it. It has a 12 month warranty, but I'll reach out to Edelbrock anyway. At the very least I'll pull it apart once I take it out and see what there is to see.
     
  10. DasRottweiler

    DasRottweiler -BuickAddict-

    Rebuild kits are available for many electric pumps and regulators. JIM
     
  11. Schurkey

    Schurkey Silver Level contributor

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    NO! Based on the size of the fitting, that IS NOT a "bypass/fuel return". That is a VAPOR RETURN. BIG DIFFERENCE.

    A bypass fuel regulator needs the same diameter "return" plumbing as the fuel "supply" plumbing, at idle almost 100% of the fuel is bypassed, or returned to the tank. If you look in that pump body, I bet you find that the vapor return port is restricted to perhaps a 0.030 hole. Vapor passes easily, liquid fuel "not so much".
     
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  12. 73 Stage-1

    73 Stage-1 Dave

    @Schurkey - Sigh, thanks for the catch! Edited my post above.
     
  13. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    Make sure the WIX filter is not for fuel injection. I used one years ago that looked great (nice 3/8 inverted flare ends) but was designed for 60 psi and was very restrictive running at lower pressures. Was smaller micron element. Caused low pressure with my 110 Mallory.
     
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  14. rkammer

    rkammer Gold Level Contributor

    Yes, it's all about the density of the filter in microns. It's not advisable to use any denser than 140 microns before the mechanical fuel pump. Between the pump and the carb it's OK to use a denser filter since the fuel pump is pushing rather than sucking, if that makes sense.
     
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  15. 73 Stage-1

    73 Stage-1 Dave

    Looking back, it could have been... I took the filter out, bypassed the stock pump and got 3 psi with just the electric and no filters at all. Also got about 3/4 of a gallon of fuel in 30 seconds, but without much gusto.


    I have a Earl's 85-micron (screen) filter I plan on putting in the back once I get the new pump installed up front... and a 35-micron sintered bronze filter before the carb.
     
  16. rkammer

    rkammer Gold Level Contributor

    Some would argue that 85 microns is too dense before a mechanical pump but maybe the "super pumps" won't be affected. Let us know how your experience works out.
     
  17. No Lift

    No Lift Platinum Level Contributor

    Interesting info on RobbMc site. For a pre-pump filter they recommend the 100m for mechanical and rotary electric but a much finer 40m for georotor electric. Probably the georotor can be damaged by smaller debris than the rotary or mechanical.
    Your setup should be easy over-kill so a slight loss of efficiency with the finer filters shouldn't make a difference.

    I'm running the suggested 40m before my Comp 110 georotor with no problem. I should pull it out and see what is in there after 7 years.

    http://www.robbmcperformance.com/products/filters.html
     
  18. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    10 micron canister on my boat so it can filter water out. Have to change twice a season......
     
  19. rkammer

    rkammer Gold Level Contributor

    Very interesting. Does the filter hold the water or drain it off? How big is the filter?
     
  20. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    Size of a Buick V8 oil filter......it holds it and builds up restriction....you know it is loaded when motors won't rev all the way up.
    There are RACOR filters also available with a sump and drain so you can drain the water off.
     
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