Downshift question

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by BYoung, Apr 7, 2019.

  1. BYoung

    BYoung Stage me

    This question is for my stock '71 Stage 1 with a TH400. At normal cruising, what is the typical MPH max downshift point from 3-2. My car currently will not downshift 3-2 above 55 MPH.

    Seems to me it should be capable of a 3-2 downshift up to around 70 MPH. Am I wrong to think that? Everything is hooked up correctly and I have adjusted the kick down switch per the shop manual.
     
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2019
  2. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Larry would know
     
  3. telriv

    telriv Founders Club Member

    What rear gears are you using??? With or W/O A/C???
     
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  4. BYoung

    BYoung Stage me

    3.42 gears, no A/C
     
  5. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    I would think it should downshift at a higher MPH. Try bypassing the downshift switch with a jumper and toggle switch. The governor and valve body calibration and modulator setting can affect this.
     
  6. telriv

    telriv Founders Club Member

    Whats the RPM's it shifts at 55MPH??? Should be up around 5000 give or take.
     
  7. BYoung

    BYoung Stage me

    I'll check and get back.
     
  8. Rob Ross

    Rob Ross Well-Known Member

    Before you do that, key on, work the switch by and hand and listen for the solenoid to click in the trans. It's faint but can be heard. If it doesn't work, could a few things. That circuit is tied to the radio fuse or could be the wiring and/or switch...or solenoid.
     
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  9. Schurkey

    Schurkey Silver Level contributor

    Kickdown switch is on the gas pedal bracket?

    1. I've seen a bunch of cars that won't kick down properly because the steel rod of the gas pedal bends. Kickdown and WFO at the carb are both affected, there is excess slack between rod and throttle cable..

    2. Does the manual explain that you will not get correct adjustment unless you first pull the switch mechanism ALL the way to the limit of travel before putting the gas pedal to the carpet? The switch is "self adjusting" but only when first put into the initial position

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    I pull the switches apart for cleaning and inspection. The grease inside is always ancient and hard.

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    The brass contact drags across the ridges of the shoe to provide adjustment. That's the "ratcheting" noise you hear when the switch adjusts. If the shoe ridges have worn-out, you'll probably need a new switch. Not overly common, though.

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  10. BYoung

    BYoung Stage me

    Thanks Schurkey. It makes sense to remove and inspect the switch before trying the other suggestions. And I bet it could use some grease, if not full replacement. I do have a spare switch if I have to go that route.
     
  11. OHC JOE

    OHC JOE Mullet Mafia since 2020

    My dad's car wasn't working at all
    Last week I checked the wire with a test light and nothing. So I fixed it and man ohhh man he has 373 gears so when u are up to speed and nail it.....she wants to take off and fly away talk about a difference..
     
  12. RoseBud68

    RoseBud68 Well-Known Member

    Joe, what exactly did you do when you said "I fixes It"????
     
  13. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Probably one of the easiest things to diagnose. just start at one end or the other and find out where you are losing continuity. The first thing to do is run a jumper from the battery positive and touch the connection at the transmission. You should hear the solenoid clicking every time you touch the spade connection at the transmission. No click, you have to drop the pan, it's either the wiring inside the pan or the solenoid itself. Hear the click? Yes, than hook up a test light at the wire end that hooks at the transmission. Turn the ignition switch to run and manually trigger the gas pedal switch, the light should light every time you trigger the switch. If not check for power at the gas pedal switch. Do a continuity check between the gas pedal switch and transmission connection. Check the switch itself by putting an ohmmeter across the switch contacts and actuate the switch. No power at the switch, check the fuse. Find out where you are losing the 12 volts.
     
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  14. BYoung

    BYoung Stage me

    Just to clarify my issue, the kick down works just fine at 55 MPH and below. It is above 55 MPH when the kick down will not activate.
     
  15. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    You need to do the tests I outlined. The kick down can happen hydraulically and electrically. Rear gearing, converter, and modulator setting can all influence when that hydraulic kick down occurs. Flooring it should always trigger it electrically. Don't assume the electric part of it is working. Verify it.
     
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  16. BUICKRAT

    BUICKRAT Got any treats?

    What Larry said!
     
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  17. OHC JOE

    OHC JOE Mullet Mafia since 2020

    Yes sir what Larry said.
     
  18. RoseBud68

    RoseBud68 Well-Known Member

    Thank you Larry.....
     
  19. BYoung

    BYoung Stage me

    Thanks Larry. I plan on getting around to this on the weekend. In the meantime, can anyone comment on why the original switches came with an external resistor and replacements do not? I've attached a couple pictures.

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    Kickdown.jpg
     
  20. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    I have seen that a few times before, never on either of my cars. Resistors lower voltage. Not sure why you would need to do that unless the solenoids had lower voltage requirements?
     

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