Friend looking for an old army Jeep

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by CJay, Jun 27, 2018.

  1. Mike B in SC

    Mike B in SC Well-Known Member

    Sorry for the double post...
     
  2. John Codman

    John Codman Platinum Level Contributor

    The famous F-head!
     
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  3. Mike Trom

    Mike Trom Platinum Level Contributor

  4. Prairie Piston

    Prairie Piston Well-Known Member

  5. John Codman

    John Codman Platinum Level Contributor

    The tires on the Hemmings Jeep are not correct for a military Jeep. The Jeep used 6.00 X 16" military tread tires that looked nothing like the ones on Hemmings Jeep find.
    Yachtsman Bill recently posted a photo of a flat-fender military Jeep with the correct tires in his "Burned beyond recognition" thread
     
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  6. Mike B in SC

    Mike B in SC Well-Known Member

  7. yachtsmanbill

    yachtsmanbill Well-Known Member

  8. John Codman

    John Codman Platinum Level Contributor

    Jason, the friend in Jerome AZ has a 1953 CJ3B jeep that is probably going to be for sale this fall. It's in Jerome, AZ, but it could be shipped. Jeeps are small, so it shouldn't be that expensive and the guy is absolutely honest.
     
  9. Mike B in SC

    Mike B in SC Well-Known Member

    A CJ3B is a "high-hood" jeep. I don't think our military ever used a version of the "high-hood" so it would not look "correct" as a military jeep.
     
  10. John Codman

    John Codman Platinum Level Contributor

    Yah they did, and unlike most military Jeeps the high-hood was 6, not 24 volts.
     
  11. pbr400

    pbr400 68GS400

    Saw this at Iola, WI on Friday...
     
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    pbr400 68GS400

  14. 75Riv

    75Riv A.K.A. Harry Clamshell

    Back in the early nineties I had a Willys M38A1 (here a NEKAF; assembled in Amsterdam at the NEtherlands KAiser-Frazer Fabriek between 1955 and 1962; 7,500 in total for Royal Netherlands Army). Mine was driven back from Lebanon to The Netherlands by an (arabic-english) interpreter and a platoon commander after the battalion left there. Both were KIA later in Mali (R.i.P. Hans Sint and Ferdinand Smit).
    The Nekaf was slightly different than the US version (had blinkers). In the nineties the follow up for the Nekaf was the infamous (but at least it had a heatercore and doors) Landrover Diesel. Where the Nekaf lasted for over 30 years, after less than 20 years the Landrover was followed up by the Mercedes Benz.

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  15. Guy Parquette

    Guy Parquette Platinum Level Contributor

    I think the vintage military show is there this coming weekend...
     
  16. mrdibbles

    mrdibbles Well-Known Member

    The best Military "Jeep" in my opinion, and I've owned many, are the M151-series. The preferred of the bunch is the M151A2 (again my view only as there are fans of the straight M151, the later M151A1, and the last of the series M151A2). The M151A2 had a suspension upgrade to the rear end that dramatically reduced the risk of roll over. The M151-series of 1/4-ton trucks (after all they weren't Jeeps at all... these were made by Kaiser, Ford, and AMG) were the longest serving 1/4-ton vehicle in the US armed forces serving from the 1960 through into the 80's (replaced by the Humvee). These "Jeeps" have fully independent front and rear wheels, they are very comfortable to drive, and once you drive one you'll never want to go back to a Jeep with a solid rear end. Check them out and go to: WWW.G838.ORG website to the best community of M151 enthusiasts (who would be super happy to assist). Here's a couple picture of the one (a 1979 M151A2) I last sold in 2016. Good M151-series trucks go for around $8K for a decent example on up through the $20's. M151 18.JPG M151 8.JPG M151 10.JPG M151 4.JPG .
     
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  17. Joe B

    Joe B Well-Known Member

    Of the last three jeeps shown...

    The paperwork for the CJ-2A at the Iola car show states that it is a « 3 on the tree ». Neither CJ-2As or 3As (practically the same vehicle) or ANY CJ Jeep, for that matter, ever had a provision for a column shift. I’ve seen where some folks that don’t know what it means think « 3on the tree » means the shifter is «growing » out of the ground (the floor) like a tree. Still others think all 3-speeds are « 3 on the tree » because it rhymes.

    The Willys M38A1 NEKAF looks either seriously stoned or sleep deprived with those headlights! Woo!

    I had always heard that the M151s were a handful to drive because the rear axle would snap in sharp turns, similar to early Corvairs. I was not aware of a modification that corrected the problem (again, like the Corvairs), and I’m sure that, with the fix, they are very comfortable. I do recall going to an Army surplus auction with my dad when I was a kid where a number of these were being offered for sale. But, because of their tendency to easily flip (apparently these were the early versions), they were being sold cut in half! They (the government?) would only sell the cut in half, right behind the seats. They were understandably having a hard time selling them because people were leary about buying two halves of a questionably hazardous vehicle, welding them back together, and making the safely roadworthy.
     
  18. 56buickinga

    56buickinga Well-Known Member

    That's not correct. In 1946 the CJ-2As were made with a three speed column shift. They produced about 30,000 units before switching over to on the floor shifting.
     

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  19. SpecialWagon65

    SpecialWagon65 Ted Nagel

    Ha! Dad loves that joke...
     
  20. mrdibbles

    mrdibbles Well-Known Member

    Joe there was literally nothing in your post about M151’s that’s remotely accurate.

    Axles don’t snap. Never heard that... fact is early M151’s would roll in sudden or over-speed turns because the independent suspension had excessive travel and the tires would fold under the Jeep causing a rollover. In the A2 this was corrected but it still is a Jeep and prone to roll. The A2 Jeeps often have roll bars (ROPS) installed (called Roll Over Protection System) and those are very wise, with shoulder belts and netting, but add a ton of weight.

    They were never sold to the public legally in the US. They leaked into the market. The leaking got excessive so demil orders came down. They were first cut in half... then people welded them back together. New demil orders were to cut in quarters. They were still rewelded by civilians. Then the last demil was to crush them. Some made it through uncut... those are the rare and most desireable ones. A very few were later sold to civilians by museums that closed their business (how I got mine).

    They were not meant for civilian ownership and are called “Outlaw” Jeeps for that reason.
     
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