HELP! Desperation time has set in

Discussion in 'The Venerable Q-Jet' started by Big E, Apr 22, 2004.

  1. Big E

    Big E Member

    Can anyone help me?
    I recently finished a complete resto on a 70 GS and can't drive my car. It's killing me!
    Here's the problem. I had the 455 completey rebuilt and it ran fine on the dyno. I am trying to keep the car as original as possible, so I kept the original Q-Jet and had it rebuilt. Problem is I can start the car, but it won't stay running. The carb rebuilder claims the carb was bench tested and there is no reason it should not run.
    I followed the assembly manual exactly when I hooked up the vacuum lines, but should I do something different? Also I don't know if I hooked up the manifold choke spring correctly. Is there a way to set it before attaching to the carb?
    Can anyone help me?
    Thanks,
     
  2. BirdDog

    BirdDog Well-Known Member

    What happens when you give it a little gas after startup?? How long does it run before it dies?
     
  3. Big E

    Big E Member

    Once it starts, I can keep tapping the gas pedal and keep it running, but I can't hold it in any one spot before it wants to quit.
    Thanks for your help
     
  4. 70455ht

    70455ht Well-Known Member

    Is it possible the carb is flooding?
     
  5. Big E

    Big E Member

    I suppose anything is possible. How would I check that?
     
  6. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Did you use the same carb and distributor on the dyno? What is your initial timing set at?
     
  7. 70455ht

    70455ht Well-Known Member

    If the carb was flooding, you should be able to see gas spilling down the carb after it stalls. If this was the problem, you would of had to hold the gas pedal down to the floor while cranking to get the car to restart.
     
  8. Big E

    Big E Member

    Thanks for all your input.
    The carb is definitely not flooding. Same distributer, different carb on the dyno. I spoke with the carb rebuilder today and we are thinking that there is a vaccum leak somewhere, possible in the trans kickdown line. I am going to check all the possibilities for the leak tomorrow. I am keeping my fingers crossed.
    I will be back if this doesn't work!
     
  9. RAbarrett

    RAbarrett Well-Known Member

    It is possible that the incorrect kit was used for the rebuild. Try this: set both mixture screws @about 4 turns out, after bottoming. Some carbs require a little more, but try that. Does the engine take gentle throttle? If the carb was really bench tested, have the rebuilder show you the flow bench and the analyzer used for the testing. The carb may have a very low float setting. A rule of thumb is to have the top of the float being parallel to the top of the bowl. It is also possible that the gasket is leaking or is incorrectly installed between the air horn and the bowl. Idle fuel flows, based on air flow, from the bowl, into the air horn, using tubes, and back into the throttle body, to the jets. If air is leaking into this path, the mixture will be very lean. The following procedures will require carb disassembly; let's start with what we have and go from there. I suspect lean mixtures as tapping the throttle is allowing the engine to run on the accel pump shots. Ray
     
  10. MandMautomotive

    MandMautomotive Well-Known Member

    Big vacuum leak? Base gasket? Power brake booster hose off?
    HTH
    John
     
  11. jamyers

    jamyers 2 gallons of fun

    Block off every vacuum port on it - at the carb fittings, and see where you're at.

    How far out are the idle mix screws?

    Double-check the carb-to-manifold gasket, make sure it's the right one. If you think it might be leaking, you might try some stuff called "Leak-Lock" available wherever they sell stuff for fitting gas/propane/lpg lines. Impervious to gasoling, it really works well.

    Choke - The stock choke coil should push up on the linkage when cold, and pull down when it's hot. If you manually hold the choke closed a bit, will it keep running?

    Do you have a Chassis Manual? Look in there for the troubleshooting section if so...

    Don't give up!!! It'll get better :3gears:
     
  12. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    What is your choke doing. sounds like it is not opening, or its not closeing enough. if its not the choke, sounds like the car will only run off of the accelerator pump, meaning there is a problem with your idle circuits. I'd check for some good awful vacuum leaks, and play with the mixture screws. really sounds like your choke is wayyyy out of adjustment..
     
  13. Big E

    Big E Member

    All your help is appreciated

    I have been trying to get back to the car, but that damn work thing keeps getting in the way and taking up all my time. I have blocked out the whole day on Saturday to get this car running- No exceptions! I appreciate all your advice and I am sure one way or another, I will get the beast going on Saturday.
    I will keep you posted-
     
  14. 71GS455

    71GS455 Best Package Wins!

    Erik,
    Have you tried just putting on another Qjet that you know works?
     
  15. Big E

    Big E Member

    Great idea, unfortunately I only own one Q-Jet for the Buick, and I don't have the dough to round up another.
     
  16. 71GS455

    71GS455 Best Package Wins!

    Where are you located, there may be someone in the area who can loan you one for testing?
     
  17. Big E

    Big E Member

    Thanks for all your help

    I appreciate all the input. It turns out it was a vacuum leak. I have it running and it is awesome. The only problem I have is that the leak was in the Power Brake Booster. The Booster I put on the car is rebuilt and replated original unit but at this point I am running it without the booster hooked up.
    Does anyone know if it is possible to repair the Booster without completely taking the brake system apart? I was told I can disconnect the Master Cylinder and repair the booster while on the car. Does anyone know if this is possible?
    Thanks
     
  18. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    Re: Thanks for all your help

    Well, that depends on where the leak is. If it leaks at the seam, you might be able to do somthing, but if it leaks on the back, you probably will not.
     
  19. Ken Mild

    Ken Mild King of 18 Year Resto's

    wow, 4 in a row! :grin:
     

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