Hemi vs Buick vs Vette

Again??????? ou: ou: ou: ou: ou:

 

:beer

 

I haven'y heard one Buick guy step up and say different.

i've never seen a Buick aluminum head, wouldn't know it if it bit me in the ass (aside from it being aluminum and all).

how bout you talk to someone from TA Performance? they're the ones who make the things.

as far as general commentary, i've seen a lot of Buick guys ON THIS VERY BOARD who can't reliably tell the difference between a 350 and a 455 if the engine is sitting in the car ... and you want to get a definitive judgement on whether or not that cast head from a pic?

here's a genius idea: take a magnet to the head. which is something any self respecting tech man at an event like this should have done. no speculation, no accusations, just simple fact.

but as far as i can make out from the rules they wrote, FAST is a joke anyway. why would teching be any better?

as far as i'm concerned all of this crap about "he ran Al heads, he ran Al heads, waaaaaaaah" is inexcusable. the tech man needs to get off his @ss and say either "the man passed tech, your accusations are an embarrasment to the Dodge camp" or "i didn't do my job and i apologize".

 

What self respecting Buick guy cant tell a 455 from a 350??
a couple of years ago there was a thread with questions about whether or not a 'for sale' car (in MI?) was really a GS 455 or a 350 in drag.

at least half of the respondents to the OP were not only WRONG they were emphatic about it.


Its a simple as counting valve cover bolts.

i'm not the guy who 'found' that but i've definitely helped popularize it. i think that it would be a lot harder to pass off a 350 around here today.

Lets move past this and all learn from it.

it's told me everything i need to know about F.A.S.T. which was pretty much everything that i was expecting.

listen, i don't want to rain on y'alls parade or anything. go ahead, have fun, run the races.

but just know, it doesn't mean a damn thing and it doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the relative performance of these cars from the factory. with these rules a Buick is into a 'no funding limit' contest against a motor that has had literally hundreds of millions of development money thrown at it since the 1960's. Buick, on the other hand, is the red headed step child of engine development.

we can and should be proud that they even consider us a threat.

i also wouldn't be holding my breath for better teching at the next race. failures of this magnitude tend to be systemic and common, not exceptional and rare.

 

You must mean the rule allowing the HEMI's to run aftermarket MOPAR over the counter blocks, cylinder heads and intake manifolds that of course have had additional research and development and improvements and refinements that the originals NEVER had. All the while, the poor Buicks must make due with 35 year old original casting Electra 225 blocks and cylinder heads that already have 200,000 plus miles on them, and the old original low rise Electra intake and log jam exhaust manifolds all of which were pulled from Granny's Electra after it sat in the boneyard 20 years.

And when a Buick just "appears" to be a threat using only this worn and ancient technology, the teamsters from the other make come out enmasse to tech the lowly Buick every which way from Sunday and jab and poke it till it just aint fun anymore. Pretty soon, F.A.S.T. racing will be just a bunch of boring HEMI's because the other makes will have no original castings left to draw from. The boneyards will be empty while the HEMI boys can run right down to the parts counter and pick up another MEGA block, cylinder heads or whatever and go back to F.A.S.T. racing with their 550 inch brand new motors with warranty.

Is this what you are talking about? :laugh:

 

Can you inform us which of the Chevy parts that you are referring to ?

 

Can you?

 

Steve,

Are you trying to say there are NO aftermarket (read improved) blocks, cylinder heads etc available for the Chevy's that dont fit within the F.A.S.T. rulebook? Honestly? I thought anything was available for the bowtie.

 

Is this what you are talking about?

F.A.S.T. is allowing new factory castings? :shock: you have GOT to be sh@tting me ... i was just talking about all of the internals of the motor (anything that's NOT visible is still 'Factory Appearing', wink wink, nudge nudge).

god damn, if they're racing 2006 production runs against us, what the hell is the point of this anyways?

you ARE sh@tting me, right? :spank:

 

This thread is getting kind of old, don't you all think. Doesn't matter how dumb FAST class rules are, the Buick guys agreed to run the Mopar under FAST class rules. FAST class doesn't allow aluminum cylinder heads, or blocks either for that matter. This is never going to be settled to anyones satisfaction! ou:

 

Maybe this thread should be moved over to the "Kill Stories (Where Hemis Never Win) section." That would really get things fired up! Wouldn't you say? :laugh:

Sorry. I couldn't pass that one by. :rant:

Patrick

 

Speedy, my point was, as Wayne said, the aftermarket Chevrolet parts are readily identifiable and would be obvious when teching the cars for F.A.S.T.

I can't speak about Mopar parts. :Comp:

 

No, I'm not shotting you! New factory castings!

 

I didnt know Wayne said that, I dont even know who Wayne is, but I aint buying it.

 

Was this a FAST or just a SA race??? The heads were "Stock Appearing", and at this point I don't see what the big difference is about. He could have had a set of Gessler ported heads on there and nobody would have known any better. The only thing I though looked out of place was the alternator, and that was not a real big deal either. o No:

 

Aint buying what? o No:

 

For about the 5th time! It was a F.A.S.T. rules race. All 3 participants knew what that meant. The Buick cheated by running aluminum heads. And top of that. Jim Rogers wavered about it on the Buick Performance board when the subject was brought.

Don't complain about the rules after the fact. They are what they are.

You guys who keep on dancing around the fact that the Buick guy cheated and got caught, and say, "no big deal", "who cares", can't, for some reason, call it as it is. ou:

So the next time theres a challenge. Either accept the rules or face the criticism that comes with cheating.

Ans yes I own a Mopar. But I also own a Stage 1 GSX. And this is a black eye!

Patrick

 

I couldnt have said it any better.....when asked if he will be competing in any more F.A.S.T races Jim said no.. Gee i wonder why not?