Minor timing issue becomes a major problem

Discussion in 'Small Block Tech' started by Rich Skylark, Aug 14, 2020.

  1. Rich Skylark

    Rich Skylark Gold Level Contributor

    Will be checking that tomorrow for sure
     
  2. Rich Skylark

    Rich Skylark Gold Level Contributor

    I’m hoping to set up the timing to have all of it in by 2600-2800 rpm’s with the ignitor ignition I’m running to replace the points , is the crane or Mr Gasket better for my set up ? I also read that marking my balancer 30 degrees will help when setting up the timing for vacuum advance. I wasn’t understanding the inch and a half measurement. Is that from the mark on my balancer . Remember this is a stock PP engine w/ 2 1/2” dual exhaust and the Pertronix system
     
  3. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    What kind of timing light do you have?
     
  4. Rich Skylark

    Rich Skylark Gold Level Contributor

    Sears craftsman inductive
     
  5. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Does it have an advance dial?
     
  6. Rich Skylark

    Rich Skylark Gold Level Contributor

    No I do not but if it’s needed I will see if any of my friends has one to loan me or worst case I’ll buy one
     
  7. rkammer

    rkammer Gold Level Contributor

    If you are going to mark the balancer for 30 degrees, the mark should be 1 3/4 inches clockwise from the 0 degree mark on the balancer (not 1 1/2). So, if you don't have a dial back timing light you can set the maximum mechanical advance to the recommended 32-36 degrees coming in at 2500 to 3000 RPM. (with the vacuum advance plugged off). So, if your initial advance is set at say, 8 degrees in order to get the maximum advance to 34, you can reconnect the vacuum advance and see how much advance the vacuum canister is giving you. Some vacuum canisters provide as much as 20 degrees and that would be too much advance at cruise and you would have spark rattle at part throttle. You would need to either install an advance limiter onto the breaker plate or pick up one of the Crane adjustable vacuum advance units that will allow you to adjust both the maximum vac. advance and the rate that advance comes in at. How much cruising advance your motor can handle is different in every engine but you should be able to handle something in the middle to high 40 degree range. So, if you have the maximum advance set at 34 degrees (initial + centrifugal), you can add 10 degrees of vacuum advance to give you a total of 44 degrees at cruising speed. This would give you about 18 degrees of advance at idle if you take the vacuum advance from manifold vacuum (not ported vacuum). this should allow the motor to idle smoothly and also much cooler while not affecting cranking speed.
     
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  8. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    OK, then making a 30* mark on your balancer will help. Crank the engine, or turn the crank with a breaker bar so that you can see the factory mark on the harmonic balancer. Standing in front of the car and looking down at the mark, measure EXACTLY 1 3/4" CLOCKWISE from the factory mark, and make a second line. Use a different paint color so that you can tell the difference between it and the factory mark. It is VERY IMPORTANT that you be as accurate as possible when you measure, and make the line thin. This corresponds to 30* of crankshaft rotation.

    When you run the engine and check the timing with your light, you will see your second mark below the factory mark. As you rev the engine, you will see both marks move up. When all of your mechanical advance is in, the second mark should align with the timing tab. The RPM this occurs at will DEPEND on the springs installed in your distributor. The stock springs will not allow this until 4600 RPM. You do not want to rev your engine that high in Park/Neutral. That is why you need lighter springs so that full mechanical advance occurs at an RPM that is much lower. The yellow springs that come in the Crane adjustable vacuum advance kit are ideal. They let all the advance in by 2000-2500 RPM.

    With those yellow springs installed, distributor hold down loosened, and the vacuum advance disconnected and plugged, rev the engine and watch your second mark. Increase the RPM until the second mark will move no higher. With the engine held at that RPM, turn the distributor to align your second mark with a number on the timing tab scale. Your mark equals 30*. If you want 32* total timing, align it with the 2* mark. If you want 34*. align it with the 4* mark. Tighten the distributor hold down and shut the engine down.

    After you are done, either reinstall your stock springs, or other springs to allow full advance by 3000 RPM. If you elect to use lighter springs to bring in your advance sooner than stock, it may be necessary to shorten the amount of vacuum advance degrees to 8-10*. I recommend you reinstall the stock springs for now, and hook your vacuum advance to manifold vacuum. You can always swap the springs out, and then modify the vacuum advance if necessary. Keep it simple for now.
     
  9. Rich Skylark

    Rich Skylark Gold Level Contributor

    Thanks for the info guys , after I p/u the dial gun & springs I’ll start on this project , if you think of anything else useful let me know.
     
  10. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    You don't need a dial back light if you make a 30* mark.
     
  11. Rich Skylark

    Rich Skylark Gold Level Contributor

    My regular inductive light can do the job ?
     
  12. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Yes, read post #28.
     

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