OT - Employers can't get help

Some one has to teach them. Break the spell they are under. "AWAKE, they are not" (in a Yoda voice).

 

Actually, that 32 will turn into 45 for the company because of the increased workers comp/liability insurance/etc, because all those rates are based on gross pay.

I get what you are saying, and I am all about good workers getting good pay, but until you have had to make the numbers work and still make a profit, (otherwise it's not worth it for the owner to put all his time and money into a useless effort), it is hard to say that. Would that 2 bucks want to make you a better worker? Would it make you a more productive member of the team? Would the company see increased output?

Happy, well paid employees is great and all, but to be so, they must be exceptionally productive.

 

There are plenty of 16 year olds, more than ever before, but they are useless. They live in their bedroom, staring at their cellphones, waiting for it to give them the satisfaction of a real life experience.

 

Welders in Midland/Odessa TX oil fields are making $80k/year and other trades in great demand. Cost of living in the oil rush territory is sky high. Agree on trade school/community college 2 year programs. Not everyone should go to college but find work they are suited for or feel they would like to learn. My $0.02.

 

Whenever I get a chance, at a restaurant, when paying the bill I will give a young cashier a higher amount in bills but the correct amount in change, like giving them $25.27 (a twenty and a five) and the twenty seven cents, expecting exactly $4 in change. Try it sometime and see how long it takes them to figure it out and then have to call the manager or owner to help. I do it all the time and it's hilarious. I gave a teenage girl a $50 bill and 21 cents on a $6.21 bill just a couple weeks ago. It stopped the drive through lane for 5 minutes until a manager came in and yelled at her to give me $44 and get the line moving again. This is the generation who is entering the workforce today. And sadly, the ones who will be taking care of us someday. They simply aren't programmed to do any actual thinking for themselves anymore. Too much coddling IMO. And they want at least $15 to start? How on earth are they ever going to succeed in life?

 

Why would you do that? You know its just going to cause havoc & Slow down the line.. What you need your 15 minutes of fame?

 

What's with all the people collecting Social Security at an early age instead of working? My mother - in - law was telling me about a girl who is collecting because she gets anxiety when she has to go into work. WTH??????

The neighbor next door still has three kids in their mid 20's at home. The boy has green hair and had to go on disability because there were flashing lights at work. One girl has a disorder where she aches after doing any work. She's plenty healthy to do anything besides work, but they're in the process of getting her SS. The last child wants to work but doesn't want to interact with anyone. She showed up for a housekeeping job in a hotel with a business suit on for an interview. Since she looked so professional, they said, "We would like to hire you as a manager." She said she wasn't ready for that so they didn't hire her. Her Father shrugs and says she needs to "stay home" and concentrate on becoming a writer since that's what "shes always wanted to do".

Import workers? Nope

Some kind of Tazer App for lazy Americans? Yep

 

I work at a brewery and we go through young emplyees like mad. We get paid a great wage and the benifit package is amazing. OT is madatory alot of times and you would think you were killing em that they have to work. No phones are allowed on the factory floor but they get caught with them all the time. They think it is there right to have their phone at all times. After two weeks they quit or get fired for not showing up. Its pretty sad

 

I must be rare as hell then haha. I live in CA, worked with family throwing up fences, cement, etc. Management in retail for 8 years, Google project manager for another 4 and now I'm working for Kett Engineering on some seriously cool **** with Apple.(you guys will soon see.) And yes I'm a Millennial. Yes I'm a Democrat, no I'm not a far left liberal, we all aren't.


I see the issues from both sides. A lot of young people not willing to put in work. Those are the people left behind.


It's true, we were all pushed to go to college, but then again our own parents (non Millennials) were the ones that conditioned us for that type of thinking. Made us all believe we weren't going to amount to much without it.


I got my degree in Psychology but ended up in the engineering field. I can thank my Buicks for this because I have been messing around and tinkering with them since I was 15. All I did was buy the 68 Buick service manuals and the rest was history.


With all respect, these are different times from when most of you guys grew up in. I'll take it as far as saying even geographically, different places will have different struggles. I know each generation has had struggles and one current struggle for me is that there is way more competition for the jobs that make enough $ to make a living. I currently live in the Bay Area as well. Definitely does not help my cause. Cost of living and the fact that wages have not kept up with that. It's also not as easy getting certain jobs. I was overlooked first @ Google since my name was Jose Gonzalez, only to replace the gentleman that got priority over me 3 months later. I was interviewed and given the role I applied for only to have someone else take it with less experience even after I was told I was hired. My colleagues admitted that was the case.


And yes there are solutions, I'm not whining, I'm just bringing up points. Yes I can move out of state, yes I'll take any job if it comes down to that, and No, I didn't give up or complain, I just find solutions to obstacles and keep it moving.


This is where I agree. A lot of people from my generation do tend to complain but won't help themselves first.


At the end of the day, it's how you are brought up. We have to show our younger generations real work ethic. We need to teach them how to respect people who do real manual labor. I've been on both sides of that. All jobs keep our country running. All part of this machine. Small or big.


I feel like a lot of our differences and issues could be eliminated by communicating and understanding each other a little more. Generation to generation etc.


I also wrote this half asleep on a tiny phone screen, my apologies if things don't make sense haha

 

There is a whole lot more to this than lazy/brainwashed people which by the way is one of the cornerstones to the world economic issues.
1. Government overreach with its taxes, laws/statutes, bureaucracy, workers comp, and red tape is at the top of the list.
2. Over-educated morons making terrible corporate level decisions with no practical experience in their field, (a masters degree with no experience will be chosen over the existing employee with management experience and a mechanical license and 15-20 years experience for a maintenance manager/project manager position).
3. Liability compensation has gone stupid expensive forcing detrimental employee decisions at the upper management levels.
4. There are no longer mentor-ship programs in most large corporations. New employees are brought in making 10%-15% less than 15-20-25 year veterans who have capped out and have to watch the newby's catch them in payroll in five years.
5. Upper level management absolutely will not take advice from subordinates who have been there for 10-20-30 years.
6. There is no longer positive feedback or incentive to create a work environment where employees want to succeed (that ended in the early 80's). Now it is management by abuse, negative input and ridicule. Lousy employees get a 1%-2% raise and good employees get a 2%-3% raise.
7. Political Correctness has created an unstable work force and dangerous work environment with everyone walking on eggshells trying to cope.

Feel free to add your observations to the list.

Mikey

 

For the love of god. Has it been 28 days already?

 

Brad, you’re the customer. They’re there to accommodate you; pay how ever you want to. I’m in one of the worst industries for employee turnover, convenience stores. Many applicants can’t count money and have a difficult time interacting with customers. They are not used to having to talk, smile, and be sincere. Most are addicted to their phones. I’ve been doing this for almost 45 years, most of them in management, and plan to retire soon. I will not miss the stress caused by irresponsible associates. No Call - No Show is at epidemic levels.

Yes, there are some good ones too but they are seriously outnumbered.

 

I know how it sounds. But it is so frustrating me because I graduated in 1982 in Pittsburgh. It doesn't get much worse than that. The steel mills and supporting business were in a tailspin which continued until 1986 when there were virtually none left to make smoke anymore. They were tough times. Nearly all my neighbors moved. Every one else that wasn't a college grad at the time either moved or were forced into minimum wage.

Fast forward to today. Jobs are everywhere - it's either the best economy in my adult life or the second best. Like someone mentioned, how can there even be an unemployment rate? When you grow up in one horse blue collar town that gets turned upside down, it is very hard to understand the mentality with some of these people when opportunity is literally everywhere.

 

If I came across as a supporter of wages below the level that a person can live on, that was not my intent. I do however, believe that what one person believes is demeaning, another may regard as an opportunity. A true story: I had two uncles - both now deceased, that started working as tellers at the same office of the same bank. One retired as president of the bank, the other as a teller. Neither had a college degree.

 

In the above post I forgot to mention that my bride and I went out to a favorite restaurant for breakfast today. There was only one waitress there and she was literally running around the place. One of the regular waitresses called in with a family emergency (shi- happens) and the other simply didn't show up. I suspect that the restaurant will have an opening for a waitress/waiter tomorrow. It would if I ran the place. I can forgive not reporting for work, but I would not forgive not calling in.

 

When I started the thread on collectibles, this is what I was talking about, the younger generations placing no value on anything, not the fact that my stuff had little value in today's market. I find it kind of sad that Millennials have few interests other than their smart phones. The worst part of their situation is that they aren't willing to stand up and fight to make their world a better place, they're just too lazy. I happen to be in a union, but I'm not for or against them. They have their pros and cons. A lot of the new hires don't want to join the union because they don't care about standing up for their rights. If they don't like something at work, they just quit. Hopefully the next generation will see the mistakes that their parents have made and will have a different attitude. The Millennials are going to make it very hard on the next generation.

 

I dont think I am that out of touch but how can someone not live on 10.00 - 12.00 an hour? I suppose if they try to live way above their income... The life style should be in proportion to the income.