P.S.M.C.D.R. Survey Sheet for 2009

I never knew, seeing as Lowes carries 427 and 430 Mercury hardware.

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BTW, I have run both types of rockers.

 

Guys, I was just giving common sense examples of if something is illegal, send me home....

I do not know if aluminum flywheels are illegal.

I was just looking for examples of obvious things, and I assumed they would be

I do not know if aluminum flywheels are illegal

do not park you car or sell your parts based on an internet posting

 

Hmmm......I read all of this, and the entire post about the new tech procedures.......

I can honestly say that this is one of the few instances where ignorance is bliss, and I'm glad. Unfortunately, I am not at the technical level of understanding of autos that all of you are - so many of the things you are discussing go over my head. I rely on the more experienced Buick racers for the techy stuff/opinions. Works well for me....

But, I wonder if all of these complications, arguments, non-clear & understandable rules - isn't it possible that all of this might put off a newbie racer from joining the PSMCDR? Not everyone has a Hemker or Roberta on their "team", and Pure Stock is a good "starter" into the drag racing. Low pressure, great learning curve, no "need" for extreme performance mods/$$$ - you can just bring your muscle car and try it on the track.

I understand that there need to be rules, and that racers need a base level of tech understanding - but please keep in mind that rules need to be clear and understandable, and if Hemker had told me at the beggining to read the entire set of NRHA rules, and complete an entire ASE certification before attempting drag racing - then Lucille would be a weekend car show queen because it would have completely intimidated me from even trying it out.

So, that's just my point of view from the "newbie, non-techy" participant.

 

"it has to be stock" .....

it really should be that easy :kodak:

 

I haven't been commenting on your flywheel post.

 

Sounds reasonable. Just wondered what your solution was.

 

Could you enlighten us all with your rocker results?

 

Frank,

I'm not running rocker arms anymore. You need to stop running a flywheel. :Smarty: :TU:

 

Brian it took three tries if you are counting. First Dan bought lobes straight out of the Comp catalog but they were incorrect duration (212/217 instead of 212/225) but correct lift. That cam went straight into Larry's '69 T/A show car. Ever see it at a PS race? It was never intended to be raced with a/c, 3.23 gears and a Tieman/Dan resto. Next one was also straight purchased lobes for a friends car that is a street car and has never been to the race or ever will. Those lobes were close to stock but still not stock. The last iteration was a complete rendition of the original. The only rendition that has ever graced the PS races in a motor that I was involved in but not one I bring.

Again I will offer it up for the very last time go to Dan's and look at the Judge motor it is spread out and I will give you and Tim the cam. It is a Melling and yours. The cam you and Tim keep discussing is for a RA III not a RA IV which has been stated so many times it is making me physically ill. Have we ever raced a RA III? And the one we own is an early build 4spd car which does not use an 068 cam either but rather a Melling 744.

This is the utter BS I eluded to in my prior post. Pathetic to say the least. And worse in the end you have told me in the parking lot while nice and lubed that you have run or do run aftermarket cams as they do not replicate the correct ones for you cars. Get off it already. I have let you fly with out comment to be nice but enough crap about cams that I do not even run from a person who does not run correct cams per their own statements.

This is why the 7-8 cars that travel with us to Stanton each year have owners that are within an inch of throwing in the towel for Stanton. A few people are ruining it for all. It really is not worth the BS dooled out on a consistent basis. If a few read Bob's post from before he was not threatening to throw the towel for effect but rather because he and Dan have come to similar conclusion that our group is coming to that the BS is simply not worth the effort.

We really do not need to take vacation away from our families to deal with sophmoric behavior. That is a waste of one of my less then 10 days a year I take.

John G. god bless you for having patience that I no longer have. If you like call me and I will tell you our dyno and race results with stock vs. roller tip vs rollers and why it turned out the way it did. The stock made more power on a Pontiac over the roller tip and was equal to the full roller. When you spend the time to take out the tools to investigate why it became an obvious thing. Instead of making claims such as something does nothing about this or that get out the dial indicators and learn. It is not worth sharing here as it will just get me more mired in the mess.

Annie very nice post and I agree with you not that it matters. It seems if you drive a Pontiac or have spent a moment studying your build you are to be summarily beat.

I am now part of: moveon.org/disgruntledPSracerswholeftthefold

Mark

 

So aluminum flywheels are legaluzzled: do you know how much a aluminum flywheel is worth hanging on the end of the oh never mind how bout slipper clutches dual friction clutcheso No: but they want to jump in the auto cars to check converter stall and take a ride in them to make sure they shift on their own, how bout they jump in the stick cars and take them for a ride to make sure you even need a clutchou: I know Casey it's your car and does not need a clutch.

 

Define "slipper clutch" please

 

Okay, so maybe there's a 4th category of aftermarket part: "availability"o No:

 

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I use a slipper clutch in my Ramrod. Technically it's a Centerforce dual friction set up with very little free play at the top of the pedal travel. It's activated by this ugly looking 10 1/2 D at the end of my left leg.I ride and slide it a little until the car starts pulling then let it go. If the engine bogs, I tap it to get the R's back up. Street racing many years ago taught you this very quickly or go from a roll or hang it up..

It does require a little blip to make the shifts though. Not much, wiggle your big toe on your right foot accomplishes the same thing...:bglasses:

Brings up something not mentioned before regarding factory cams. Does putting a smaller cam in still meet the rules? It didn't come that way. Nothing wrong with advancing or retarding the cam, but a lot of these cars run much better on these tires and exhaust with a smaller (duration and overlap) cam that they came with. My car loved the Crane 284H which was considerably less duration than original. How about split duration cams? I don't remember them "back in the day".......where does this end?

The fun in this racing is matching up with a similar e.t. car for the shootouts. I personally don't care if the guy in the other lane has 100 more cubes than me...or aftermarket wheels, headers (as long as they're capped through mufflers) I know that's a radical view, but picking the fly **** out of the pepper on what's legal or not sure takes a lot of the fun out of this........

Then again, that's only my opinion....I could be wrong....:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

Tommy,

You know way more about a slipper clutch then I do, really do you think a slipper clutch is pure stock?

I think the only slipping of a clutch in P/S should be control by your left foot.

 

ZIP IT DING ALING I haven't said a word on this one lately!
Rant on some one else.
And Preach to someone that want's to listen.

MY supposed whinning, was about stuff that-
1) after people where caught with Illegal stuff ,SHOULD of been DEALT with THEN. NOT NOW..
2) High dollar EXOTIC parts, If they don't do anything- YOU DON"T need them!
3) Gray area's
4) Make a decision -AND STICK WITH IT. Don't CARE EITHER way !

And A SIMPLE Question.
IS LIFT NOW measured at the VALVE-or- at the CAM like it was BEFORE.

Because you can NOT have a pure stock 1% cam at the valve . Why you say?? 1% of .500 lift is drumroll .005 now add .025 lash you would get .550 lift On MY .520 lift cam. Now we're gettin lummpppppy
For Hydraulic's even MORE. Due to lifter preload. Thus lifter shimming , fast ramp cams, stupid expensive lifters and crazy spring pressure.:TU:
And a need for different ROCKERS.

Isn't it funny that I'm the broken Rubber that's ruining the Race, BUT I'm the only one NOT ASKING for ANY special parts to be ALLOWED !

To me the people that are ruining the race are the ones that can't follow rules!

 

"Isn't it funny that I'm the broken Rubber that's ruining the Race, BUT I'm the only one NOT ASKING for ANY special parts to be ALLOWED !"

That is why you are the Virgin Clary:moonu:

"To me the people that are ruining the race are the ones that can't follow rules!"

And to me,the people that are ruining the race are the ones that won't write the rules. Dan and Bob aren't doing themselves or anyone any favors by not facing up to the fact that the rules are loosely written and poorly enforced.That may be unpopular but that is how I see it. If the race is just a "fun weekend in September" call it that.If it is to be the "Pure Stock Drags" with any form of credibility the rules require more black ink.

As for the 11.50 cap,sounds good now,but what about in the future? What happens when guys leave their hoods closed and start really working the chassis? Many get caught in the more power,more power,more power mind set(guilty here too) Every year cars go faster and faster so is it unrealistic to think that at some point the ET will come closer to the speed? You only need to run 115MPH to go 11.50. I think at some point a guy will go 11.5 at maybe 117.5 or 118. I think the tech will catch up. What do you tell that guy? Pound sand for being good at getting your car to go down the track?

 

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: that part will always be virgin !

 

Tim fair enough you did not say anthing about the cam in this thread but you have been very vocal about it many times both here and elsewhere. I suppose a years worth of comments disqualifies you from being included in any current conversation becuase you skipped one opportunity.

You and Brian in general are the ones who beat me over the head about a cam I do not even use whether be it here or at the parking lot party or after I leave a party. I generalized the offer to you and Brian once again as both have abused Dan and I endlessly about them. But never once have either of you actually taken me up on checking it out. Even after all the offers to pull it out or for it to be veiwed when out or while going in, we still get comments. Hard to give much wiggle room away to anyone who has consistantly accused but never once gone on to veiw the actual item that the accusation is over.

As stated many times I prefer correct original parts when possible. I have never waivered on this. Nor did I waiver when I cert'd, nor did I waiver when I have had extended tech at the FAST races twice, nor did I waiver under P&G and extended tech at Stanton. Nor did I waiver when I offered Pete to do extra tech if he wanted on the Boss at Martin when the word came back last spring that you were accusing me of not doing a proper build. Worse yet you sang it loud and clear to a lot of people yet never once approached me. Pete turned it down as he said "we know it is correct and no need, or faster than expected" or something close to that.

Next time I will try not to generalize when you did not make the comment in the immediate context. Unfortunately the comments have been made so many times it becomes second nature to have to defend myself against those who endlessly make them. This time you did not but the first xxxx times seem to linger. Remember the comments do not have to be made on this forum for me to hear them. As you have never actually taken my offer to review the cars. I stand at no review no comments from those who the offer was extended to.

I'll take your advice and zip it now.

Your "Ding Aling", Mark

 

To my dearist Dingaling,

I have missed you so.... blah blah
Mark ,this isn't all about you anymore.
I'm not singling you out.
It's the direction this has all gone.

The more CRAP you ALLOW, the MORE IT STINKS !!!

 

Tim I understand you were not singling anyone or me out. I lost my temper having to repeat the same thing that has been stated so many times. I truly get flustered by the same comments about Pontiacs or JW cams.

I also know Rob was not trying to stir my pot.

This is why I rarely veiw this sight anymore. I stated my simple opinion that was an on point post about what the thread was about and JW cams become a focal point once again. Then I try to make a simple explanation and again someone else makes a coy comment. At that point I lost my discretions.

Please understand when one has put forth a full and honest effort to show that all is correct and no one takes them up on it but the comments keep flowing it is aggrevating at the highest levels.

Takes all the pleasure out of the cars, race and this sight for me. That makes my hair stand up as this used to be a place I could use to relax and enjoy some chat about PS racing but since last summer I can no longer count it as such.

Mark