SBB - 96-97 LT starter

Discussion in 'Small Block Tech' started by DEADMANSCURVE, Aug 13, 2017.

  1. DEADMANSCURVE

    DEADMANSCURVE my first word : truck

    so , I remember seeing info on here about people using the SBC 350 LT starters . checked at work , price real good for a new one ( only about $10 more than a reman ) , ordered it . checked it out . started looking over the bolt situation - not so good . sloppy going through the starter bolt hole . could order some new long bolts but no shorts ? checked at summit , listed a GM performance long bolt number , but no shorts ? ( they do show the shorts but did not come up in search i was using ) read reviews - guys were having problems but then switched to the GM bolts . apparently they are a little shorter ( which was needed I think going by how the old bolts I had measured up ) and are like a 10mm shaft with 3/8 threads . and the knurling is tapered also .
    ordered some from my local GM chev dealer seem to work fine . still have to check gear clearance etc but its up in there . but had to order 5 long ( #12338064 at $1.30 each plus tax ) , could order one short ( #14037733 at $6.21 plus tax . really - $6.21 ??!!?? )
    anyway , could not remember a "bolt" discussion from before . thought this might help somebody out . if anyone needs a long one i've got 4 layin' around . cost plus S/H . or contact your local chev dealer . some may stock them so you wouldn't have to get 5 .
    check pics .
    any input ?
     

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  2. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD"

    Back when Jamie was selling his mini starters (basically what you have), he was pretty adamant about not using stock starter bolts. He included the right bolts with all of his starters.
     
  3. DEADMANSCURVE

    DEADMANSCURVE my first word : truck

    They seem to be ok and snug . Do you have any idea what he was using ? And why ? I was figuring stock replacement starter with stock bolts = ok .
     
  4. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD"

    Not for the Mini starters, definitely different bolts. I am currently using the RobbMc ministarter. That starter uses Stock bolts. I'll see if I can locate the bolts Jamie sent me and take a picture.
     
  5. stk3171

    stk3171 Well-Known Member

    been using this starter for years.
     
  6. Dr. Evil

    Dr. Evil Silver Level contributor

    I was toying with the idea of this. I have a starter from my LT4 car that I was thinking of using.
     
  7. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD"

    These are the bolts I got from Jamie for the Mini Starter I purchased from him way back when. The longer one measures 4.650", and the shorter one is 2.00" MiniStarterBolts.JPG
     
  8. DEADMANSCURVE

    DEADMANSCURVE my first word : truck

    they look like the ones i have but would have to measure again to dbl check . double tapered knurl also . 3/8" threads and slightly larger shaft correct ?
    just got done trial installation of starter . I wedged the gear out with a piece of gasket material , installed , checked , shimmed with a .030 shim . looked pretty good then . popped out the wedge . hooked up a remote start switch to the remote start solenoid , kicked the battery disconnect "on" , laid under car with drop light , hit the button . gear engage n disengage a couple times fine , flywheel spun fine . seemed real normal .
    FYI - first time to turn the motor over with a starter in - oh - about 30 years !
     
  9. Sebambam

    Sebambam Well-Known Member

    I got the LT 1 starter on and as far as i remember i used the bolts that came with it.
     
  10. DEADMANSCURVE

    DEADMANSCURVE my first word : truck

    The new bolts I got from GM same part number as the GM performance parts listed at summit . They are 96-97 350 SBC starter bolts .
    Long = 4.310 uhl not total length
    Short = 1.635 uhl not total length
    Uhl = under head length .
    Did not pull new bolt just measured the old short bolt minus a few threads .
     
  11. 87GN_70GS

    87GN_70GS Well-Known Member

    There was an advisory or informational flyer for specific starter bolts for the PG 260 but I can't find it. Seems like it was meant for the techs notifying them of using special bolts in certain applications
     
  12. 87GN_70GS

    87GN_70GS Well-Known Member

  13. DEADMANSCURVE

    DEADMANSCURVE my first word : truck

    Ok , good info . Thanks .
    Thought I was gonna be able to try out that new starter in a day or two but nooooo , head gasket coolant leak . So this afternoon I took the carb n alt off , moved misc stuff out of the way and yanked the intake n heads . Luckily (?) I had some extra head gaskets . Hey - I got hi comp pistons . Bonus ! Maybe do a little doc mod plenum work on the cast intake while off .
     
  14. DEADMANSCURVE

    DEADMANSCURVE my first word : truck

    Bump for info for someone
     
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  15. Dr. Evil

    Dr. Evil Silver Level contributor

    Been using a spare starter from my lt4 car on my bbb for a while now with no issues. Should work fine on a sbb.
     
  16. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Just received my starter from DB Electrical, it came WITH bolts:cool: IMG_3516.JPG
     
  17. Mart

    Mart '71 350 GS, almost stock

    The snug fit has something to do with the knurling on the bolts. They are inch thread and the added knurling takes up some room as if they were metric bolt/ threads, .... I think.

    Mark, let me know how that DB starter fits/works out, or if you have to shim it. I've had one laying around for a few years, just waiting for my orig. to take a dump. :(

    Figured it would, just from the header HEAT.
     
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  18. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    I had a db starter in my racecar.......maybe u got a bad one, but mine didnt live long
     
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  19. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    I'll keep you updated Mart:cool:
    I had a mini starter years ago, it lasted 2 days, the engine kicked back one too many times on a cold start and broke the nose, we were leaving for the GS Nationals, luckily it broke in the garage...… I put the big heavy RELIABLE GM starter back in.
    I believe the culprit was I had locked out timing with a start retard and the start retard wasn't working ALL the time, it would only do it on a cold start too, not the initial start, but the second start, like if I backed it outta the garage, shut it off, then restarted:rolleyes:
    I don't run locked out timing anymore and the start-retard box is long gone.
    For 48 bucks I'll try the DB mini starter.
    The ONLY reason Im trying the mini is my larger headers (TA super competition) took away what little room I had, the body of the starter is touching one of the trans. lines, Im concerned about it chaffing:eek:
    Im not concerned at all about the heat factor, heck, iron manifolds retain heat longer than steel pipes/headers.
     
  20. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    That thought IS in the back of my mind:eek:
    What exactly happened to yours?
    The box mine was shipped in says "Denso"...…………. but who knows:rolleyes:
    These are the only markings I can find.
     

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