TA Performance 290-94H cam

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by Kenneth Willis, Dec 29, 2017.

  1. Kenneth Willis

    Kenneth Willis Well-Known Member

    Where is the best initial timing area for this cam?
     
  2. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    Gonna depend on several other variables, mechanical or vacuum advance? Compression ? Etc but at least 14°
     
  3. Kenneth Willis

    Kenneth Willis Well-Known Member

    Its Machanical 10:1 compression
     
  4. Kenneth Willis

    Kenneth Willis Well-Known Member

    Thank you for the fast answer
     
  5. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    If your running mechanical advance the initial timing will be greatly effected by the amount of swing your distributor has. Some swing 12*, some 15*, some 20*. If you have total at 32 and yours swings 20 then the initial will be 12, but if it only swing 12, then it would be 20.

    I would guess most ppl would idle that cam at 800, or 1000 even and by then you might be getting some swing........

    What distributor are running. Some like msd and mallory have alot of control over swing rates, when they start, and limits
     
  6. Kenneth Willis

    Kenneth Willis Well-Known Member

    I’m running a MSD and the bushing is blue so my swing as you say is 21 degrees, I might have to drop a size in bushing because I need to be at 32-34 degrees and 14+21=35 soooooooo I’m gonna try it at 13 for initial timing to see how that sets if not I will change it
     
    Last edited: Dec 30, 2017
  7. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    MSD distributors have an adjustable mechanical advance. You choose how much mechanical advance you want to run so that you can run the initial advance you need.
     
  8. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    It has the bushings also that will provide different curves

    I think black is the fastest, been years so we I had one
     
  9. Kenneth Willis

    Kenneth Willis Well-Known Member

    Now what do you mean the fastest?
     
  10. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

  11. Kenneth Willis

    Kenneth Willis Well-Known Member

    Ok got it, I have a timing light that has rpm, advance timing up and down. I turn my timing light to advance timing and then I turn up the advance to 32 degrees and then I turn the light to rpms and rev it up to 2500 rpms then I hit the button for advance timing and my timing mark is at 0 degrees at 2500 rpms. I let the car idle at 800 rpms and set my light for initial timing and the light reads 11 degrees, so am I doing it right?
     
  12. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    2500 is an arbitrary number. Depending on spring tension, full advance may occur later or earlier than that. If your measurements are accurate, you have 21* of mechanical advance.
     
  13. Kenneth Willis

    Kenneth Willis Well-Known Member

    That is correct, my distributor has the blue bushing installed. My advance is fully ingauged at 1900 rpm, is that too early because of the cam I have TA Performance 290-94h
     
  14. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    No, not too early.
     
  15. Kenneth Willis

    Kenneth Willis Well-Known Member

    Ok thanks, but I still need to get the timing to 14 degrees meaning I’m gonna have to change the bushing to the green which is 23 degrees. Thanks again guys for steering me in the right direction.
     
  16. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    No you don’t need to get it to 14*. If it idles and runs well, you are fine. Everyone wants a short cut, just tell me what to set my timing to they say. The truth is you have to experiment to find what your engine wants. It may like more than 32*, maybe not. If you want more initial timing, you reduce the mechanical timing, not increase it. Use the black bushing for 18*, Then set the initial at 14.
     
  17. Kenneth Willis

    Kenneth Willis Well-Known Member

    Ok I will do that, THnks again
     
  18. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    Yea the 14°is just a minium # I would expect you to be able to use, if its 20° or more and starts easy and doesn't detonate then run it
     
  19. Kenneth Willis

    Kenneth Willis Well-Known Member

    I will start at 12 and work my way up
     
  20. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    The pic is from msd site....the colored bushing effects how much swing you get......the springs change when you get it. Look at how just changing 1 spring from lighter to heavier drastic slows the curve down. I think the dist comes with all these.......if not the kids not that pricey. Only down fall to change the bushing the dust needs pulled, most of the way stripped to easily change the stop bushing .

    Plus you can see if running 2 light spring's at 1000 you already have about 7 or 8 degrees of swing. So if your reading 14 there you only have 7 initial.

    With the blue stop bushing your going to get about 22 degree of swing........so when all......if 2 light springs are used should be all in by 2000, I always check at 2500, then 3000 just to verify I don't gain any.... but if all in and total is 32......you only have 10 ignitial.

    If your looking for 14 ignitial and 32 total all in by 2000, you would need the purple bushing and 2 light spring..... the more ignitial your motor needs the more you need to restrict the swing with bushings to keep the tial down. There is even aftermarket bushing that can be had as low as 10 degrees swing I think.

    The more ignitial timing you can run normally the smoother a more will run and the cooler the egts are since your burning the fuel in the cylinder not in the exhaust. But the more ignitial you run the harder it is for the starter to roll the motor over.
     

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