Th350 pan won’t stop leaking

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  1. 70skylarkcusto

    70skylarkcusto God, Country, Cars

    So the th350 in my Skylark won’t stop leaking from the pan. It’s been doing this since I’ve owned the car for the last 4 years.

    When I got the car I replaced the cork gasket with a new cork gasket- worked for a few weeks then started leaking slowly again.

    Then had the tranny rebuilt when I rebuilt the engine, again the pan gasket was replaced with a cork gasket- still leaked.

    Finally I got sick of the old pan which seemed to have a slight warp to it, bough a new aluminum pan with a drain plug from summit, installed it with a rubber gasket that came with it this time, and as soon as I took the car out for the first cruise with the new pan it started leaking after it cooled down.

    I’m at the point where I don’t know what else I need to do to make this thing stop leaking. The leak is only coming from the pan, the gasket for the dipstick tube was replaced and is dry, as is the speedo housing. I’ve heard not to use RTV, anyone have any other suggestions?
     
  2. BYoung

    BYoung Stage me

    Are you installing the cork gasket dry? If so, you may want to try spraying the gasket with Permatex Spray-a-Gasket to make sure you are getting a good seal.
     
  3. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

    Do you know exactly (or with in an inch or so) of the area it is leaking?
     
  4. 70skylarkcusto

    70skylarkcusto God, Country, Cars

    The two I’ve installed went in dry. I could definitely try that.

    Yes I know where it’s leaking from, it’s the same spot it’s always leaked from even with the old pan, passengers side front corner.
     
  5. phil67gs

    phil67gs Well-Known Member

    Does it leak from the same spot.Maybe you have a small crack in the case.If not I would pull the pan clean and dry case and pan. Use gasket maker rtv on the pan and install the gasket.Put a light coat of gasket maker on top of gasket and install.Don,t over tight the bolts or the pan will bend in the bolt area.Let it dry before you fill the trans.
     
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  6. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Passenger side front? Have you checked the detent (kick down) cable? There is a small internal O-ring that seals where the cable sleeve slides into the transmission and bolts to the case.

    Detentcable.jpg

    If you look in the Chassis Manual in the THM350 section, they talk about "case porosity" and how to use epoxy to fix that. That is a remote possibility, but if the Chassis Manual mentions it, it is a possibility.
     
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  7. Donuts & Peelouts

    Donuts & Peelouts Life's 2 Short. Live like it.

    Like Larry said, that's where my old th350 leaked from too
     
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  8. rex362

    rex362 paint clear and drive

    I like my trans and pan all in primer gray ...you can spot a leak in a second
     
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  9. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    That's why road race cars are painted light grey or white on the underside.

    Keep in mind that oil leaks down. I had a leak in the T400 in my Riviera. You'd swear it was the pan gasket leaking. Turned out it was the O ring on the plastic bulkhead connector for the downshift solenoid just above the pan rail.
     
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  10. 70skylarkcusto

    70skylarkcusto God, Country, Cars

    So I did have this issue with the dipstick/filler tube leaking oil, but that was fixed and I’ve had no leaks above the pan since that. The kickdown cable has never leaked on me and I’m 99% sure it isn’t leaking now but I can definitely double check that.
    Is this okay to do? I thought about using rtv but though rtv on transmission pans was a no no. Also I torqued the bolts down to the recommended 12 ft lbs as in the chassis manual
     
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  11. 70skylarkcusto

    70skylarkcusto God, Country, Cars

    confirmed, I just crawled under the car, there is nothing I can see above the pan that is leaking.
     
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  12. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    On things like this I prefer the right stuff over rtv. But I will warn b4 going any farther, when done right the next time you have to take it apart will be a job. When I use it I end up getting a thin sharp blade and cutting the sealer, it doesn't come apart easy.

    The name of the game is clean. You have to get all the inside stuff from dripping down on the rail. Clean the pan and case with alcohol, not brake clean.
    Once dry put your bead on the pan in th middle of the rail. Go around all the hole fully. Give it just a couple minutes to sit, clean the case again just to make sure no oil is left. Only lightly snug the bolts....just till you see the stuff reach the edge of the pan.....you want to.make sure you can still tighten the bolts without over torque. Let it sit another 45 mins or so then finial torque........this will allow the sealer to mostly set up and act like an o-ring when you snug it all the way down

    This stuff holds so well I know someone who used it on the intake end rails and around the water ports......pulled a motor, got taking it apart pulled the intake bolts, got stopped, came back the next day picked the motor up again by the carb flange, moved it a crossed his shop put it on an engine stand then remembered he already pulled the intake bolts. This was an iron big block too.

    When done correctly the right stuff will seal and will will hold
     
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  13. BRUCE ROE

    BRUCE ROE Well-Known Member

    It may not be at the pan gasket. But if it is, gluing the pan on ought to be
    the cure. The chain cover on a Toronado is a tough case, and some use this to
    solve the problem. Bruce Roe


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  14. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    I've chased my tail on a pan gasket and it turned out to be the seal around the pump. not the input shaft but the pump to case seal..
     
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  15. Taulbee2277

    Taulbee2277 Silver Level contributor

    Same
     
  16. 70skylarkcusto

    70skylarkcusto God, Country, Cars

    Today I confirmed it was in fact the gasket. I drained the pan and pulled it off. The rubber gasket was wet in both sides of the gasket almost all the way around the pan. Really not sure how that happened.

    I finally gave in, bought a new cork gasket from a local trans shop, and gave it a slight coating of transmission specific rtv. Hopefully it works this Time, if not I’m going to say screw the gasket and just use the right stuff
     
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  17. Donuts & Peelouts

    Donuts & Peelouts Life's 2 Short. Live like it.

    Are you suppose to run your car lightly for the first couple of day wi th a new gasket on your trans?

    ALSO, aren't you suppose to go back and re torque your pan bolts after a couple of days too??
     
  18. BYoung

    BYoung Stage me

    Cork gasket with the RTV should work for you. Please let us know.
     
  19. 70skylarkcusto

    70skylarkcusto God, Country, Cars

    This is exactly what I did with the rubber gasket. Took it out for a 10-15 minute ride, let it cool, and retorqued. Took it out the next day for a little bit longer and again retorqued. Didn’t seem to help at all, not with that rubber gasket atleast. The trans shop I bought the new cork gasket from scolded me for even installing the rubber gasket in the first place, saying they are worthless.
     
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  20. BYoung

    BYoung Stage me

    They are. Had to replace my valve cover gaskets soon after purchasing the car because they were leaking badly on the manifolds. Took off the covers and sure enough, the gaskets were rubber. Installed Fel-Pro cork gaskets and it’s dry as a bone.
     

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