Aren't you the one that had a set of heads done by Speier Racing Heads? If not maybe you need to call Speier Racing heads and see what he says about your theory Flow bench's do more then Do flow, Darin Morgan and Chad Speier will be happy to explain everything you might want to say negative about what I say, Both have more records in racing then anyone in here period. Untill you or any one else can do what Darin has then you have something to say. I know, I have already talked to Darin,Chad, Joe, and every cylinder head manifacture out there except T/A. They all said " Buick has potential if they get the head to FLOW and have the VELOCITY right, It's all in the port design." I don't see any body on here having a Cylinder head and induction class for everyone, even some big name Buick guy's have attended and was blowin away on what they learned. If anyone wants to make a cylinder head do what Darin told me " attend my class for a weekend and you will know what to do and have done for half the price" Look at his class and see whats all involved. It's everything you could of dream of. And you get CD's and other things to help you out.. Here is a copy and paste from his website, Pro Stock Customers Past and present customers who have utilized Darin Morgan/Reher Morison Cylinder heads in NHRA Pro Stock competition. Bruce Allen Bob Glidden George Marnell Mike Edwards John Nobile Grant Lewis V-Gains Jerry Haas Mark Wisnant Larry Morgan Ken Koretsky Rick Jones Tommy Leindahl Larry Nance Gordie Revera Bob Benza Tom Hammonds Tony Rizzo Mark Pawik Ed Heck Carl Beal Carty Beal Dester Cambrone Tony Gillig Gary Herman John Kasse Racing Engines 2008 IHRA Pro Stock world record. Brian Gahm 6.281@ 223.95mph Ford Hemi heads with Darin Morgan CNC ports and chamber designs. Awesome Al Anabi Motorsports Mike Castallana, Shannon Jenkins 2008 Nitrous Pro Modified world record holder. 5.96 ET @ 240+mph Harrold Martin Pro Modified General Motors IRL cylinder head project Pat Stoken Pro Modified 6.06 @ 234.54 Sean Dodd 2008 NHRA Competition Eliminator B/AA world record holder. 7.006 @ 196.49 DRCE cylinder heads Clint Neff and David From 2008 Competition Eliminator world record holder K/A 7.85 ET Custom 4 cylinder DRCE cylinder head Frank and Scott Parks Neil and Parks Race Cars JR Fuel world champions and world record holders year after year after year! Dale Earnhardt Incorporated JRs first win in 2000! Numerous other race wins top qualifying spots. SB2.2 heads with Darin Morgan CNC ports and chamber designs. Hendrick Motorsports SB2.2 cylinder heads. Ron Hutter SB2.2 cylinder heads. Joe Pigford Texas Pro-Stock champion and record holder many years running. Schumacher Racing Antron Brown and Angel Sampey Suzuki P/S Motorcycle Charles Nearburg "Spirit of Rett" stream liner Fastest single engine gas powered streamliner in the world record 409mph speed 422mph exit speed. Making Charles only the 8th person in history to run 400mph! Just think, we did it with ONE ENGINE! Brule Motorsports Drag Boat World record holding Pro Gas Jet. Class champion many years in a row Mike and Brad Personett Top Sportsman Don Smith P/S truck Rick Jones P/S Truck Scott Perin P/S Truck Mark Wisnant P/S Truck And the list goes on and on and on and on,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Unitll you have a list like that your wasteing you time guessing. Now go here http://www.darinmorgan.com/ and read the rest for a chance to learn something that you won't ever forget. I would of attended already but money is tight for me rt now.
Gary this is just one of the Goals we have. On a related note I will be driving a blown Donovan front engine dragster this weekend to finish up my NHRA Fuel license http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=235386. To license in one of these cars is around $500.00 a pass:shock: . I have a great friend that needed a new driver and I was lucky enough to have been chosen:Brow: . I will let you know how it goes:kodak: . I will be picking up the Tomahawk this coming week to start the exhaust, oil pan and overall mock-up in the Supercat. I will post some pictures as we progress.
Hey Ken & John, are you going to run the NHRA Nostagia Top Fuel class? Do you think the Buick head will hold up with the stock number of head bolts and the factory pattern? Can you even add the extra bolts TA's been doing for years?
What a great question. Remember the early Hemi's only had 10 bolts but were a smaller bore and they did work. However our solid S2 TE heads that we had cast will have an extra row of bolts top and bottom. We are considering making them 7/16" instead of the 3/8". Since we are already working on the next generation head, we will try to work in some changes before the ones we have are ported. Some will be surprised at the size of the intake valve, but there is a method to our madness and the next generation will be bigger. We are not running a 4.5" bore in this effort but we have the right sleeves in the block to do that later. As far as Nostalgia Top Fuel, That is the eventual plan. We are already working on pro's in that field for their help. Parts manufactures and engine tuners. It looks like John will be driving for one of them this weekend. Most of you probably don't know that I ran Kenne-Bell back in the 70"s with engine builder Doug Jones. He always gives great wisdom when it comes to racing and it is something all Buick racers should listen to. He says "GET WITH THE TOP PROS FOR HELP" they have already done what we want to do. That means you will rub shoulders with the Chrysler, Chevy and Ford guys. So what's wrong with using the secrets from the enemy? Buick now has a block that will take anything we can throw at it and a solid head that is very strong. Next step.... solid billet head, of course we are working on it. We will try to have it gun drilled for the strip racers who need some water flow to get back to the pits. Again watch the pros and listen! ken ps. Mike at TA has been doing a heck of a job for a long time. TA needs all our support and encouragement. Call TA order your parts, be patient and thank him and his crew for making this possible!
Thanks for the reply Ken, I was bragging to a friend at work about your project and he always does what he can to shoot the Buick down, in good fun, and he said you have to use the factory head bolt pattern to run NHRA Nostalgia Top Fuel class, which prompted my question. Do you know if this is true? Can't wait to see more pictures and results for the dragster!
Craig if I remember correctly "Factory style" heads must be able to bolt on to the block.(I will ask at Tech this weekend and let you know). Many people have additional head studs and bolts trying to keep their heads on. Sometimes with little to no success:eek2: . Sometimes when bad things are going to happen they just happen regardless of your intentions. I will email a picture to you next week from the team I am driving for that launched a blower and injector assembly into the pits as they went through the traps at the end. One of the 417 heads was still connected:shock: . This is why they have so many restraint systems today. The track we will do a lot of our testing at will be SpeedWorld in AZ. We will post when we are going out so you can bring your friend:laugh:. Eric yes the limit is 500 ci. for the class. I had to checkou: . The people that want the engine to last(budget minded racers) use large blocks sleeved down and stroked accordingly to be in the 400ci range. Not the fastest out there, but out there, waiting for the guy in the other lane to break or have an issue. We will be able to in crease our potential ci. size a lot if needed as we go along. Heading to Bakersfield later today:3gears: I am hoping to run a 5.99 or 225+ this weekend. I will try to get some video clips from the weekend to post in the bench.
This is what I have been trying to say, but they have it covered already, They don't even realize, Chubby and Ford has used Buick valve angles to achieve more power from this angles...o No: Now think about this for one second, Chubby did not have the first Splayed valve engine! Ford Capitalized on it by adding canted valve to the already splayed valve. Now go out there and make the Buick community proud and make a cylinder head like no other.
Craig we had a blast last weekend. 2nd pass 2.80sec. -330 ft launch went to about 450 ft and let off and coasted to a 7.2 - 1/4 mile:eek2: I think I found my next job:laugh: . I will put a thread in the Bench later today with more details and picture/video. 1 more pass for my TF license...... Thanks for the good luck:beers2:
Remember We don't race flow bench's but you speak of Big Chief style heads! Hummm, Well maybe you should know the flow of a good set of Big Chiefs to freshen y'all's memory. DART 18 Degree CNC Full 424/185 -- No Pipe 95 - - - - - - - - 492/343 69.72% 1235 hp - N/A N/A 1.160/1.854 Yup, that's the potential you need to compete. DART 11 Degree Oval CNC Full 512/- -- No Pipe N/A - - - - - - - - 545/360 66.06% 1368 hp - N/A N/A 1.064 Now we are startin to play seriously. Ok it's time to stop playing around, here is the guy you need to talk with and the reason why! Sonny's 14.5 Deg 548/204 2.520/1.860 4.625 73-77 - - - - - - - - 555/378 68.11% 1393 hp - N/A N/A 1.013/1.853 If you want Hemi style heads then you see him again. Sonny's Hemi N/A - N/A - - - - - - - - - 590/390 66.10% 1481 hp - And thats why Sonny,Dart, Profiler, Reher-Morrison has more wins then anyone out there. They know how to use a flow bench to there advantage, and for one second if you don't think the top dogs from Top Fuel dragsters don't use one, Maybe you should just ask one of them or call them direct or Call http://www.marcellamanifolds.net/ better yet here is his number Phone (248) 259-6696 He will proudly tell you they do, he was on one team for a while. I have confidence in guys but you need help and I'm willing to give you the people you need to contact to get a start. I don't want no recognition from it at all, matter of fact you don't even have to mention my name. All want to do it help if possible.
The plot thickness, Pro-Systems Carburetors Trick and Mansweto from Australia fired up their 694 c.i. Ford Hemi last night. The SV1 equipped Hemi made 1502 h.p.!! Tricky said theres more power in the program as they overloaded the exhaust flow capabilities of the dyno room. The Darin Morgan designed Profiler heads flowed 659 cfm!! Man those Trick/Mansweto guys can make some power...BUT there is still about 1000 h.p. of Nitrous coming next. That's a straight copy from Facebook.com from Pro-Systems Carburetors. Maybe you should actually think twice about a flow bench reading. Darin Morgan sure does:laugh::shock:... Oh by the way here is the engine too.
Remember when I said Marcella Manifolds is the guy to go to? Here this is his lastest project that he just started and its a Ford Victor JR intake for Robert Yates head's that's been chopped up and being rewelded for a Buick headed small block Chevy. Now just think, T/A don't even offer an intake for this heads, no one does for that fact, only Sheet metal intakes. Not this one.
I have to ask can anyone weld this good in here,,,,, How about build stuff like this,, , , , , , Now tell me who can do some bad arse shxt? That's Marcella Manifolds for ya.
Well we are cranking along with the Tomahawk now:laugh: . Actually we are focused on the head development at the moment. Which is starting to come together. I will put up a thread in the next few days as to what will be going on with that aspect of the build. Here are a few pictures of the new crank from Crower/TA Performance I picked it up yesterday while in Phoenix. Thanks Mike. I am guessing it is one of the first Crower cranks for a Buick that is labeled "Blown Nitro" on the build card:TU:
Here is a copy of the crank specs, if anyone is interestedo No: Thanks for the positive comments everyone:beer . It's a long slow road but we are learning a lot and moving forward:TU:
Eric the crank is 78 lbs. Not the lightest, but that is not such an issue with blown nitro. The over-all strength of the crank is far more critical. Our idle will be around 22-2400 rpm so crank speed at the hit of the throttle is already up there. Also the crank hub and blower pulley are about a third the weight of an SFI damper assembly.
