US Death Rate Hits Milestone

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  1. 2manybuicks

    2manybuicks Platinum Level Contributor

    Just cracked 100 dead in a day.

    100 x 365 = 36,500 in a year. Not that it will last a year, but tthe death rate is gonna go way up real fast.

    Flu's 30,000 a year is gonna look like a pleasant memory.
  2. buick64203

    buick64203 Just plum crazy Staff Member

    As an FYI, 56k people died from the regular flu during the 2012-2013 flu season
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  3. BuickGSrules

    BuickGSrules Gold Level Contributor

    Not for having anyone panic but Italy has over 5.000 death in 3 weeks. This weekend in 24 hours they had a record of 794 death. Spain is hard hit too. We only had 24 so far, but they prolonged the quarantine until after easter now. All races cancelled in April, hopefully we will be out in May.
  4. flynbuick

    flynbuick Super Moderator Staff Member

    The most respected model, from the Imperial College of London, projects that without aggressive action 2.2 million U. S. citizens will die from this Covid 19 outbreak.

    Regarding the “what’s the big deal look at the flu annual numbers”, argument we have already posted a point by point comparison of the two in another thread. Since this point keeps coming up, I am including it again:

    How and why Covid 19 is different and worse than the flu:

    "It’s more contagious, more deadly (particularly for older people), and it has a greater potential to overwhelm our health care system.

    By Brian Resnick and Christina Animashaun Mar 18, 2020, 12:24pm EDT

    A question we keep hearing about the Covid-19 pandemic: Isn’t this disease a lot like the flu?

    A quick unambiguous answer: No, this is not like the seasonal flu. It is worse.

    Yes, some of the symptoms of Covid-19 resemble flu — especially fever and coughs. But this virus is worse for the destruction it may cause, not only in human lives, but to our society."

    For the item by item comparison chart, click on the link, supra.

    JESUPERCAT No Slow Boat

    Fear can be more destructive than anything to or society.
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  6. Jim Weise

    Jim Weise 1000+HP

    And since we are talking numbers..

    80-85% of infections will result in mild illness.. or no symptoms at all.

    currently, 98.6 percent of those infected in the US, will recover.

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  7. flynbuick

    flynbuick Super Moderator Staff Member

    Education is the reason that such frankness about Covid-19 is necessary. Notwithstanding the executive order here prohibiting risky behavior, when traveling to the store you see many people in close proximity, most not wearing gloves and so forth.
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  8. bigtorque5

    bigtorque5 Well-Known Member

    admin edit:

    Bigtorque, let's calm down.. While I hope that every one of the dire predictions that some are making is not true, there is no need to shoot the messenger.


    JESUPERCAT No Slow Boat

    So if you are just out and about are you using medical protective equipment? If so why?
  10. Jim Weise

    Jim Weise 1000+HP

    He may be John, and here's the beauty of our country.. we get to make that choice.

    Jim and his wife are squarely in the high risk category on this. You and I, not so much..

    The thinking individual takes all the data, good and bad, into account, and makes the right choice for his and his families well-being.

    And he does this while ignoring the hyper partisans screaming bloody murder in his ear, even if he agrees with their overall views. He is not told "what to think".

    But you do have to have the good with the bad.

    This is a serious situation, one we have not encountered before, one one in which we need to now, more than ever, totally ignore those who would exploit this situation for personal or political gain.

    There is a special place in hell for those people.

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  11. flynbuick

    flynbuick Super Moderator Staff Member

    John--because this virus is so contagious, it is the recommendation of virtually every real expert in the field. Surface contamination is perhaps the major source of transmission of Covid 19. The other major risk factor is rebreathing someone else's air or airborne droplets. Accordingly, there is a 6 feet distancing guideline. Public health physicians and agencies actually recommend that persons over 65 not go out in public, except when there is little choice, like for groceries.

    Ann and I are over age 65. We have masks and over 1000 nitrile gloves. We use them. We see others are using them here.
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    JESUPERCAT No Slow Boat

    Jim agreed. My point is let someone else do your errands that is not in a high risk group so you can stay out of the situation as much as possible. Leaving more of the protective equipment for those battling this.
    I myself have asthma and also diminished lung capacity by 30% so I'm guessing I too am in the higher risk category?
    I would hope anyone especially Jim to know we can all be friends with our own view points. We have known of each for over 20 years I'm guessing :)
  13. buick64203

    buick64203 Just plum crazy Staff Member

    The key words are here- "without aggressive action" and "could". Cant the same be said for anything?

    I think we're taking pretty aggressive action in this country the likes of which I have never seen before. Not to mention starting to use these anti Ebola, malaria and anti lupus drugs

    I found it laughable that one of the news networks was trying to use the arguement that the people who normally use the drug to treat lupus are going to die because it wont be available to them anymore because of the demand for it to treat covid 19 now.

    What's the point other than just fanning the flames of fear and panic? We survived the 1918 pandemic, we survived sars, h1n1 and all the rest. We have alot of smart people working on a cure. Well survive this.

    And jim is correct. It's got a 98% recovery rate. I honestly think I had it already. I had a headache and a dry cough for a few days 2 weeks ago. My chest just stopped hurting yesterday.
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  14. flynbuick

    flynbuick Super Moderator Staff Member

    John--I had a bout with a powerful illness for over a month earlier in the year after returning from Africa. I finally sought medical help after coughing up blood, hot and cold sweats, and a feeling of not being able to catch a breath. This has left me with a scarred lung and an x-ray diagnosis of pneumonia. My wife contracted it too, but her symptoms were not as bad. This was before there was any Covid-19 testing available locally. (I hope that I am not the real patient zero.) So, I do not know if I am respiratory compromised and more susceptible to the effects of Covid-19 or now immune. For these reasons I think most can appreciate why we want to avoid unnecessary risks.
  15. flynbuick

    flynbuick Super Moderator Staff Member

  16. flynbuick

    flynbuick Super Moderator Staff Member

    "Man dies, wife in critical condition after ingesting chloroquine phosphate hoping to stave off coronavirus
    A man died after ingesting an additive used to clean fish tanks — which included a pharmaceutical drug touted by President Donald Trump and others as a potential coronavirus cure...."

    Careful messaging about the use of existing drugs for off label purposes is in order. I know some of you are going to think that this is tragic, but they must be dumb as a rock. I hope I am not forced to post a population/dumb as a rock graph.
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  17. Jim Weise

    Jim Weise 1000+HP

    Heard that Jim... you will always get things like this.. his inability to read the warnings on the bottle, and his decision to self-medicate, are no one's fault but his own, and not relevant to the discussion.

    Blaming the President is not only intellectually dishonest, it's a sad commentary on the the state of journalism in this country. It's not likely that story is even written during previous administrations.

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    JESUPERCAT No Slow Boat

    So if I drank bleach as in self prescribed because it kills the virus and died that would be the President's fault? I'd call it fear driven Stupidity!
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  19. flynbuick

    flynbuick Super Moderator Staff Member

    I posted this event in the spirit of making the point that no matter who is at country's helm, one must be very careful about public statements on topics like this. Leave the packaging of this type of messaging to the scientists. If I understood and retained a major Chinese epidemiological study correctly, chloroquine is commonly prescribed for two 500 mg doses day for a period of 5-7 days. (I hope I recall this correctly) If you just doubled that rate to 2 grams per day, 4 pills versus 2 pills per day, there are severe side effects reported, including impairment of visual acuity and interference with heart function.
  20. Jim Weise

    Jim Weise 1000+HP

    I believe there is blame to be laid here... squarely at the feet of the media, who has been sensationalizing this event for their own benefit. That said, it is true that the President does need to take the advice of the health professionals seriously, which he is, by all accounts of those who would know.

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