TY Brian &Walt, Appreciated. Would rather ask here and get an answer from knowledgeable folks than fly by the seat of my pants and waste product and money. Jim:TU:
We should all be glad that none of us have 1996 Ford Mustang Cobra painted in MYSTIC paint. You haven't seen ANYTHING yet...You used to have the car verified by a Ford dealership as being factory in that color by the VIN, and it was shipped to the dealership for the required amount for repaint, and any waste or excess had to be returned. I heard a rumor that the pigment was the same as US currency...o No:
That color was a Ford exclusive made by BASF/Glasurit. They don't want anybody being able to paint just any car with that color. Not sure why anybody would want to though ??? ---------- Post added at 09:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:09 PM ---------- The reason it sucks is it's laquer, which is pretty much no good for anything. ---------- Post added at 09:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:10 PM ---------- A big part of it is the paint companies are making a killing on the material. They make more money on it than any other company in a corporation.
Here in Canada most the shops have been forced to go water based. Being close to Michigan I was still able to go over and get the solvent based PPG. Had over 330 hours in body and paint and I stripped the car myself. And that's on a California car!! Nothing up here for paint and body work to go up to $15,000 or higher. It is crazy!!! Leo
The reason it sucks is it's laquer, which is pretty much no good for anything. I disagree. Lacquer was used for decades on automobiles with great results. Like anything else, inferior products are available. I just bought another brand of lacquer from a reputable supply and the finish is great. It's a matter of what you pay, and I claim Dupli-Color is cheap for a reason.
I wouldn't really call it great results; prone to chipping, crazing, no solvent resistance. Laquer is not stable like a catalyzed product, gets soft when it's hot, hard and brittle when it's cold. The factory applied laquer was better than refinish laquer as it was a baked finish. I only know it would never be on one of my vehicles.
Petroleum based products:Smarty: That is why they have gone up in price quarterly over the last few years. 4-5 years ago, a gallon of gas was under $2.00:dollar:
I know that for newer cars, paint prices went way up after the earthquake in Japan. IIRC, Japan makes a lot of the paints that are used on newer cars. Not sure if it was a raw materials issue or the fact that the infrastructure was decimated.
Yes the PPG DBC has gone up in the last few years and so has the PPG 2021, but I bought the clear with Gardner at a local swap meet for $180, and the 2 colors of the DBC WAS $ 500 for 2 gallons all together I go everything for $ 1200, need to shop around , ebay has some deals at times.
Re: whats up with paint prices (but I LOVE red!!!) lacquer thinner is fine but is now going out of manufacturing stage.most laq thinners are getting expensive.they make some pretty wicked gun cleaning solvent.I'm in Michigan and can get a "wash solvent" from Auto Value for about $55.00 for 5 gals.
You guys might want to check and see if any jobbers in your area has Montana Big Sky products. The last 10 or 12 restos I did that is what I used. A gal of Montana urethane primer 4-1 mix is around $110 that's for the gal and a qt of catalyst . , the base depending on color is around $275/gal, 2-1 mix ,, clear about $120 4-1 mix. great for overalls ,not for color matches . The overall colors are very close. I only ball-parked these prices,but this would be close. The clear wet-sands and buffs exceptional. The Montana single stage is also great, but I suggest this in solid colors only. Wacko
paint suppliers are not living under a rock. They see professional paint jobs going to 15 to 20k and they want their share of the pie! I was just watching Pawn Stars and the old man got a Ford truck custom painted including the doors and dash for 4k was that real? Why would Nevada be cheaper?
John, It depends.. if it was a dry southwest vehicle, if all they did was de-chrome and scuff/shoot it, and they used a second line paint, then it is possible that price is real.. Automotive refinishing products have a huge variation in quality and price. All the paint companies have several lines of paint typically.. Take BASF for example.. big bucks is Glasurite, Standard line is RM economy line is Limco. Dupont has Nason PPG has Omni There are often price point variations within a particular line... and there are several independents out there. And this pricing stuff is nothing new.. When I was doing the concours stuff, I used BASF, and of course used the Glasurite line.. back then, in 2006-2007 Black was $400 gallon. Red about twice that. And what's worse, Glasurite base is a 2-1 mix with reducer.. most of the other stuff is a 1-1- so the hidden cost of the more expensive paint lay in the fact that 1 gallon of Glasurite basecoat make less sprayable paint. JW
Glasurit, R-M, Lesonal, etc. all call for 50% reduction. But the only reason is VOC restrictions. The R-M Diamont b/c is for all practical purposes identical to the Glasurit, only real difference being the strength of the toners. And we commonly reduce the R-M for the final coat 100%. And every once in awhile we spray Lesonal (Sikkens mid grade line), and do the same with it. So in the end, actually even though Glasurit is more expensive, it covers better and costs no more and in some cases less than a cheaper line. But when you use Glasurit, you're assured of the best quality paint out there.
Needed some touch ups and dings or imperfections I can see and needed some more paint. Recently this last weekend, PPG DBC vivid Black 1 qt $98 PPG DCU 2021 clear is $ 129 Qt., PPG DCX61 hardner 1/2 pint $ 50. not cheap.
I just bought heritage green BC CC -PPG Omni- about 130 gallon- not a terrible price. the European clear kit was 130, again not terrible, SEM black about 30 a qt, dtm 2k primer was about 100 gal with the hardener. It helps to have a close friend with a pro resto shop and get the business discount. I did shop around and yes the prices are crazy for certain colors and brands.
Say what you will about PPG, paints but I recently applied a PPG OMNI BC- and a inexpensive European CC. The paint covered better than expected for a metallic ( I had a really tough time with an enamel metallic many years back) and the clear laid down really nice and smooth. The color match was incredible and was spot on to the original lacquer color. Very pleased with the end result- only a minimum of wet sanding and shine is real deep. I went with the PPG OMNI because an expert classic car refinisher in my area highly recommended it for ease of application and economy. The other paint options were like 4X the price of PPG. The clear was one-line I think, it was relatively inexpensive and shockingly gave an excellent result. If its good enough for the local restorer ( who has OCD real bad) than its good nuff for a backyard wannabe. :TU:
My Family owns a Body Shop in Pittsbuurgh Pa. Our Discount is 40% off the top.We spray Spies Hecker WATER BORNE ! It is supposed to be less money than solvent??? But Remember this PAINT COMPANYS never lose money! Price goes up all the time ! If your ink pen doesn't WORK in this business (writing estimates) The INSURANCE company's will ROLL you over! And you will be out of business FAST! Remember Bodyshops close up a lot more than new ones pop up! happens everyday.
