Which Flow Through filter top to use?

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by rkammer, Jul 11, 2020.

  1. rkammer

    rkammer Gold Level Contributor

    I currently only install my factory cold air filter for shows otherwise, I run a 14" chrome open element filter with a K&N element installed. I want to pick up one of the high-flow tops and find prices all over the place. K&Ns are running $80+. I've found one sold by Speedway Motors called the "Super Flow" that sells for less than $40 with free shipping. Is anyone using this top and is it as good as the K&N for half the cost?

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075NMHRCY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1FJ1WMPKJVUMQ&psc=1
     
  2. Schurkey

    Schurkey Silver Level contributor

    The dyno tests I've seen uniformly show that those stupid filter-lids ERASE horsepower.

    You do NOT want one. Money saved, mistake avoided.
     
  3. rkammer

    rkammer Gold Level Contributor

    What's the logic behind that? Is it a velocity thing?
     
  4. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Yeah, I think it is a gimmick also. I know it would be completely useless in my application as I have very little space above the air cleaner as is. Most of the air probably comes in from the front half of the air cleaner. I doubt very much air makes a 90* turn down and goes through the lid.
     
  5. Bigpig455

    Bigpig455 Fastest of the slow....

    I've heard its a turbulance thing. for whatever reason, the air coming in from the top and from the side dont play well together at RPM
     
  6. rkammer

    rkammer Gold Level Contributor

    Well, I'll just save some money, then. Thanks, gents.
     
  7. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    I run the Speedway top because of the low drop of my L88 base.
    The air would have to make a 90 degree anyway with the orig chrome top. This way air comes in from all sides and top, similar to running no air cleaner that most guys will do at the track for no restriction what so ever.

    The K&N filter & Speedway top both get dirty from air flow, so it must be pulling in air from both.

    Haven't tried testing both lids at track yet but will this year..

    Definitely remove the fiberglass under hood insulation whatever cleaner you run.
     
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  8. Schurkey

    Schurkey Silver Level contributor

    Hypothesis: Air velocity coming in from the top screws up the idle and/or the main air bleeds.
     
  9. Houmark

    Houmark Well-Known Member

    Engine Masters made a video about it.. The engine used is in a engine dyno, so no wind or hoods to clear.. IIRC, the filter that made most hp was a vertical cone, and the filter top questioned now, also picked up some..
     
  10. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    Velocity stack?
     
  11. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Same scenario here, I looked at my drop base, and the hump is just slightly higher than the top of the carb opening, so that was my reasoning for using the open top K&N, without the open top filter, it looks like the airflow would be super restricted with just the drop base, filter, and a closed top.
    Whatever the scenario, the air still has to make a 90 degree turn. IMG_0778.JPG IMG_0779.JPG
     
  12. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    Yep, especially with the added 1" tapered spacer cramming things up against the underside of hood.

    Mark, you need an aluminum intake.....:D:D:D
     
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  13. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    I know I know, AND 4.10 gears and overdrive:p
    I'll make due with my iron single plane hi rise:D:D
     
  14. Houmark

    Houmark Well-Known Member

    Yep.. Going from a big diameter to a smaller.. Increases flow..

    Just didn't know the right names :D
     
  15. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    Mark, you're sucking in all this dusty crap... Screenshot_20200712-123115_Chrome.jpg
     
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2020
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  16. TORQUED455

    TORQUED455 Well-Known Member

    The best compromise IMO is to ditch the spacer, run a smooth drop-base (not the L88 style, too big of a drop) and a solid top with your filter.
     
  17. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    Oh oh, new stuff to try,
    time for more experimenting. :):D

    As long as I have the clearance for fuel line & linkage.
     
  18. TORQUED455

    TORQUED455 Well-Known Member

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    3” Wix Racing paper filter, Allstar Perf (I think) filter base, Qjet and is good for 10’s and is very streetable (details in sig). I can’t fit a 4” filter, so a 1” spacer won’t work either.
     
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2020
  19. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Mine is about a 1 1/2" drop base I bought at a swap meet years ago. Use a 3" K&N. SP1 intake, it fits no problem.
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  20. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    Bob,
    Think that base will clear a Holley HP?
    I didn't see float bowl clearance areas. Some bases won't.
     

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