Your Butt Is Mine!!! (No Brokeback Jokes Here!)The next Buick vs Hemi tread! (

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Call out #2!

Since I seem to be about the only one to be taking this serious, here is one more call out/ bit#h slap! Callin Pontiac Jeff! Your Custom 'S' against my 'Tuna Boat'. We have to settle who has the fastest air conditioned ride around! :moonu: Either way, it looks like a GM will take those honors! :TU:

 

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Tom Miller said: 351 Cleveland is NO way a small block


It's not?

I guess a 400 Chev isn't either....... uzzled:

 

What do you mean? I said I'd best get to work! :spank:

Geez...sell the guy an axle and he turns on ya. :laugh:

BTW......No luck with Sawruck.......the HO is still apart.

 

Don't worry about Rusty .... he needs to get more than 3psi to the carb of the big brown Ford first .........

 

Hey Casey,

It was good enough for me to get home last fall, it will be fine for me to get back north! Besides, I have learned that volume is more important than pressure!

 

Geez Case.......build the guy an axle and he turns on you. :laugh:

 

Yikes. I thought a 351 Cleveland was a big block, too. Know the 351 Windsor definitely isn't. Learn something every day.

What defines a big block? Did Pontiac ever have one? Or are all Pontiacs "big blocks, just some have smaller bores and strokes...???

Lots easier with Chevies, Buicks, and Mopars. Even Olds is a little confusing somewhat. A small block Olds is the same size as a Big Block Chevy! A 403 Olds is a small block, but the 400 Olds are both big blocks. :eek2:

I'd never try to figure out anything that makes sense at Ford.....and I retired after 23 years of Design/Manufacturing Engineering from there! Our management's mantra was: "Why leave anything alone when you can change it?" Besides actual cost reductions, that's how they finance manufacturing!

(and also part of the reason why they're losing their asses now)

 

o.k.

400 chev, big cube small block

351 Cleveland, small cube big block?? What engine family is a Cleveland?
400M? another small block? ou:

 

No turning on anyone, just anxious to smell a little race gas and get enveloped in a cloud of polyglas smoke! :bglasses: Besides, it is all in good fun.

Casey,

I will do some checking to make certain that I can get more than 3 psi of fuel. Although, I would rather not drop the second tank to get there!

 

The 335 series Cleveland engine is a small block not the 385 series (429, 460) Big block.

The bore spacing and block length is the same as a 351 W and with some water passage changes the heads will bolt on.

Bore and stroke are the same Windsor to Cleveland, the Cleveland even has a slightly shorter deck.....the big difference is the canted valves.

Is a Boss 302 a big block because it has the same type heads with canted valves?

No.

350 Chev: 4" bore 3.5" stroke 5.7" rod
351 C: 4" bore 3.5" stroke 5.77" rod
351W: 4" bore 3.5" stroke 5.95" rod

 

The saying is true

You do learn something new everyday, maybe even Ford people too :bglasses:

So do the Big Block Chevy inspired canted valve heads fit on the 385 series
engine's?

And then there's the 50 different Ford Auto transmission saga, but we'll save
that clarification for a different post :TU:

Small block bell housing C-6, Big block bell housing C-6, Fmx, ou: ou:
o No: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

 

No the 385 has much larger bore spacing and a .360" larger bore.

Are you sure they are Big Block Chevy inspired?.........Or were they both

inspired by the Chrysler Polysphere? Which came out in 1955. o No: p

No argument here, you really have to use some brain power if you venture

outside Chevy. :laugh:

 

Here's a new challenge, Brian...........

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1955...33QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6882QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Would be a nice stable mate for the 58 and the 64. They must have made at lleast one of these with the Tbird supercharged 312.

 

Tom, tell us about the 65 GS. Are you planning on racing it, or selling it ?

 

That's a gimmie

Both :laugh: :moonu:
It's a 40k mile one repaint survivor :3gears:

 

That one would be neat Dave........I'm just not a big fan of the Y block.

I'm thinking more alone the lines of a '60 or '61 Starliner. :beer

Leaning more toward the '60.......only because the '61 is more popular. :laugh:

But alas.....I need to broom some other stuff first. :laugh:

 

When did they start the 406? 61? 62 for sure, remember lotsa cop cars with them. 60's are definitely better looking. 60 Starliners are very rare if I recall.

Agree on the Y block. I put a 57 312 in my older brother's 54 Merc when I was in high school. Woke that car up a lot, though. Wierd oil pan arrangement. Totally wierd crossover pipe on the single exhaust cars because of that oil pan.

 

'62 for the 406. 390 401hp three two barrel for '61 and 352 360hp single four for '60.

Dang.... the '60 is it in my book.....but to keep with the mutiple carb P/S motif the '61 is a must.

I know what you mean about the cross over. When I ran my '60 Galaxie four door in a demo derby I used the '54 239 manifolds split the cross over and swapped sides to run them out the hood.

It was a rust free Florida car.....had it for sale.....when I was offered $200 I said "screw that I'd rather smash it"

So I did.....had more than $200 worth of fun! :beer :laugh:

 

What's a 070 over 390? Gotta be close to a 406. Same thing? Definitely multiple carb to keep up the theme. 61, it would have to be, then.

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Your story on the demo derby reminded me of when I put my 63 Catalina convertible up for sale for $225 and couldn't even get an offer. (This was in 1970). It had rusty quarters but very solid floors, mint bumpers, grilles, lamps, new top, and I had swapped in a black mint interior from a 64 convertible that was wrecked. Was an original 421HO with tripower, 4 speed T10 with Hurst shifter and a posi rear. I drove it to work every day for 2 years, only had 54,000 mles on it. Engine was still warm when we started disassembling it.

I ended up selling the complete engine, trans, shifter, and rear end to a friend for $100, used the top, frontclip, wheels and brake drums, and black interior for another 63 Cat convertible, (389 2 barrel) and scrapped it out. Talk about a sob story.