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    Default The good and bad with MSD 8552 ready to run distributor?

    Hi.

    Iím thinking on buying a MSD 8552 ready to run for my 455, I guess my only distributor from a 430 68 are as much worn-out like the rest of that 430.

    I searched the forum but didnít find all to much so Iím taking a chance and ask again and see if there are more users and experience on this product now.

    Iím just wondering if MSD 8552 plug and play are good or what is bad with it?
    $383.10 does it cost, $47.70 for MSD 8202 coil. And as Osborne wrote ďBe sure to use good plug wires with 500 ohms or less per foot resistanceĒ so I have to find quality wires also, any recommendations?

    Thanks
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    Default Re: The good and bad with MSD 8552 ready to run distributor?

    I like my msd distributor, I was disapointed it didn't have an adjustable vacuum advance but a regular one instead.

    Steve
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    1972 GSX 455 CLONE, 9.96:1 wiseco pistons, TA 290-08h cam, TA sp1 intake, mighty demon 850, edelbrock heads, comp. cams pro magnum 6.0 roller rockers, msd billet distributor w/ 6 AL, TA shorty headers, turbo 400, Coan converter, 3.42 gears, powertrax locker, TA 3" exhaust w/ dynomax mufflers.
    Best time - 12.22 @ 110.32 mph on BFG street radial TAs, drag tires on the way!

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    Summit has vacuum advance MSD distributors for $363.90.

    Go here: http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

    Not a bad price when you consider the Mallory Unilite cost $355. in 1994.

    My pal runs an MSD on his SBC in a 29 roadster and is happy with it so far.


    I have an American rebuilt stock points distributor that I plan to run in my 31 on 32 rails roadster.
    From NAPA a couple of years back.

    No reason why a points ignition can't work on the big Buicks.
    They were a viable ignition in the past and considering that most of our hot rods don't see too many miles, they should go several years before needing attention.
    10,000 miles is the usual figure between tune-ups on a points ignition engine.

    Most of the street running big Buicks don't see over 5000 rpm anyway and a single points ignition can handle that with ease.

    There's also a Pertronix unit to upgrade the distributor, but in my case I probably won't.
    Plans right now are to use an MSD 6al and trigger it with the points.

    If you go for points, make sure to get a quality set.
    That means with a fiber rubbing block instead of the fast wearing plastic rubbing block.

    Get a quality condenser as well.
    The major US brands should be ok, what you want to stay away from are the condensers with a cardboard end where the wire exits.

    I note that you're in Sweden.
    It shouldn't be too difficult to have a machine shop fit some new bushings in your old distributor.

    And . . . if it came down to it and Buick points were difficult to get there, you can always re-drill the points plate and install Volvo points or commonly available European manufactured points

    We used to run Ford points in a Maico dirt bike.
    Worked fine....
    C9

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    Default Re: The good and bad with MSD 8552 ready to run distributor?

    i have a distributor that is another option for you.

    Stock for my 69 430, converted to mallory unilite module with the surge protecter thing also.

    If youre interested ill sell it to you with a mallory coil, also have my delco-remy replacement plug wires, they look newer but they might just be very clean stock.

    PM me if youre interested.
    Steven

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    Quote Originally Posted by C9 View Post
    Plans right now are to use an MSD 6al and trigger it with the points.

    What are points?

    A concern I had while deciding which way to go myself was the Ready to Run distributor doesn't have the benefit of the stored energy that you get when you run a CD box and pro Billet distributor. I went with a MSD Digital 6+, Pro Billet distr and Blaster 2 coil. More expensive, but better spark IMO.
    Bob

    '72 GS350 convertible, 455, "TORQUED" 11.37 @117, 1.57
    '70 GSX Tribute 9.51 @140+, 1.33, 3650 lbs race weight, factory iron block, 1 carb, full exhaust, no power adders
    '87 GN 59K original owner

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    Default Re: The good and bad with MSD 8552 ready to run distributor?

    Check out the Mallory Comp SS. The best on the market and the best price. Plus you can use a dial timing light with it. See below, as taken from the TA Performance catalog pg 124
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    Prior: Army Infantry (Afghanistan), Jack of All Trades @ TA Performance, Aviation Mechanic US Navy.

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    Default Re: The good and bad with MSD 8552 ready to run distributor?

    Yes I was wondering why TA performance didn’t have this ready to run MSD distributor,
    Should perhaps look more into that Mallory Comp SS and see if anyone bad experience on it.
    .:. Buick Electra 225 Convertible 1967 .:.

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    Default Re: The good and bad with MSD 8552 ready to run distributor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buick Power View Post
    Check out the Mallory Comp SS. The best on the market ...
    Can you qualify that statement?
    Bob

    '72 GS350 convertible, 455, "TORQUED" 11.37 @117, 1.57
    '70 GSX Tribute 9.51 @140+, 1.33, 3650 lbs race weight, factory iron block, 1 carb, full exhaust, no power adders
    '87 GN 59K original owner

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyXRjiO-oFE

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    Default Re: The good and bad with MSD 8552 ready to run distributor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buick Power View Post
    Plus you can use a dial timing light with it.
    Dave,
    I've seen this many times but never have I been able to prove it. I have a Snap On and Sears dial back light as well as an old Sears standard timing light. I have timed my car using all 3 lights dialing back and using my 30* mark on the damper. If there is a difference, it must be small because I just don't see it. I've read that you can't use dial back lights on MSD ignitions, written by folks I respect. I've just never been able to prove it to myself. If you can't use a dial back light, how can you be sure of the timing. I was very careful making my 30* mark, but the just the thickness of the mark can probably account for 2-3*. Is the error produced by using a dial back light more than that? Is the error always there? I've read the above statement many times, but I've never seen it explained or expounded on. Enquiring minds need to know
    Larry
    1998 "Fully Optioned" SC3800 Riviera
    70 GS 455 Stage1, TSP 470, 602 HP@ 5900, 589 TQ @ 4900
    TA Hyd Roller Cam, 230*/238*, 112, .544"/.577" lift, 4-7 swap
    MSD Digital 6+, Ignitionman Distributor w/MSD trigger
    1967 BT Switchpitch ST-400, Gear Vendors OD
    with TSP 3200/1800 converter
    AED 1000 HO Carb, 800 CFM 7042240 Quadrajet
    8.5 10 bolt, 3.73's
    Best E.T. 11.54@ 115.00. Best MPH, 11.58@ 115.89
    Larrymta@verizon.net, GSCA #291
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    Default Re: The good and bad with MSD 8552 ready to run distributor?

    Mallory has ALWAYS had the better product. But since they became part of the Mr. Gasket group they have had poor promotion. MSD has flooded the market with advertising and sponsorship, so everyone instantly thinks MSD. Happens all the time, quick name a restaraunt--- McDonalds, are they the best not at all but we have been groomed for it.

    Happens to us (TA) all the time, the Car Craft engine had to use certain sponsored parts, for instance the camshaft. We probably lost 200+ sales because of it and we have that grind and better ones. There is a 455 engine being built right now that will air on one of the popular weekend car television shows, it can't use TA heads because Edelbrock is a major sponsor. So you won't get the best there either, just an ok combination. The Overhaulin' engine had to use an MSD distributor, the MSD is the direct reason why we had to work on the engine until 3 am. ---See using a timing light below for some of the reasons.

    Reason for these examples is that the MSD isn't by any means junk. It's just not the best. Most of the inovations came from Mallory, the fit, finish and quality of Mallory is better. For instance, one of their control boxes which is the same market as the MSD 6 series, the Mallory does everything the MSD 6 does, but it also... uses less input voltage, creates less heat and output voltage is higher and more consistant.

    Everyone has their own way to do things in this industry, but from experience and especially doing tech over the phone daily for almost 9 years. I greatly prefer the Mallory distributors for simple reasons, the greatest being the ability to use a dial timing light. Every day, I sort through tuning after a combination is put together, and most people do not understand all that is involved. The basic stuff is X amount of initial and Y amount of total, you have to have a distributor that can be adjusted. A GM distributor is not made for that. Both MSD and Mallory have this feature, but... You have to be able to check initial AND total timing and sometimes even with vacuum factored in. The best way is with a dial timing light, I use my high end digital light just for a tachometer (I use two timing lights at the same time). You can use a timing tape on the balancer also, but here is the greatest thing about the dial light. You can set your timing BEFORE the engine is ever fired. This is crucial in breaking in a camshaft. As soon as the engine is fired, it must immediately go to elevated RPM for cam breakin, absolutely NO idleing. Setting the timing before hand is easy, hook up the timing light like normal, turn the ignition to "on", set the dial at the desired initial timing. Pull the trigger on the light and point the light to your face, rotate the distributor until the light flashes, then lock the distributor down there. You can't use a dial timing light with the MSD distributors.

    See the page(s) in our catalog for more info.
    Dave
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    1965 Skylark Sport Coupe

    Prior: Army Infantry (Afghanistan), Jack of All Trades @ TA Performance, Aviation Mechanic US Navy.

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    Default Re: The good and bad with MSD 8552 ready to run distributor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buick Power View Post
    You can't use a dial timing light with the MSD distributors.

    See the page(s) in our catalog for more info.
    Dave, Why?
    Larry
    1998 "Fully Optioned" SC3800 Riviera
    70 GS 455 Stage1, TSP 470, 602 HP@ 5900, 589 TQ @ 4900
    TA Hyd Roller Cam, 230*/238*, 112, .544"/.577" lift, 4-7 swap
    MSD Digital 6+, Ignitionman Distributor w/MSD trigger
    1967 BT Switchpitch ST-400, Gear Vendors OD
    with TSP 3200/1800 converter
    AED 1000 HO Carb, 800 CFM 7042240 Quadrajet
    8.5 10 bolt, 3.73's
    Best E.T. 11.54@ 115.00. Best MPH, 11.58@ 115.89
    Larrymta@verizon.net, GSCA #291
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    Default Re: The good and bad with MSD 8552 ready to run distributor?

    Larry,
    Everytime I have dealt with an MSD and a dial timing light, the timing light fluctuates and is not accurate. For instance on the Car Craft and the Overhaulin' engines we had to abort the use of the MSD during the cam break in and put the 20 year old Comp 9000 out of the wagon in, to do the break ins. There maybe some dials that work, but in general they don't. I just kill way too much time tuning over the phone, if I can't get someone to confirm a specific parameter that I give them. Hard to explain, but setting up most of these street combinations is not hard, but every day, I have to start with step one and I need an easier way to communicate to the customer. Another instance, had a customer with a combo that wasn't running right. Initially it was an assumption what the initial timing was, because the (OE) distributor was re-curved to the correct spec. Well it wasn't, so after the customer and I had to spend extra time to figure that out, and now because it is an OE and he can't adjust it himself, he is dead in the water for now. I just go through the same scenario 1-2 times per day. I used to do this with the high volume oil pumps, every day stripped dist. gear, broken pin. Ok, here is a cam, distributor gear and oil pump, sorry. Now, I'm pro active instead. "high I need TA 1506 high volume oil pump" me: "Why" cust: "because that's what you use in a performance combination" me: "No, blah, blah, blah". Now almost everyone is aware of the HV oil pump issues. I'm not really complaining, just trying to get the foundation stuff more simple, so we can move on.

    This is why we worked with Mallory on the Comp SS, inexpensive plug-n-play distributor so we have a depandable starting point and can adjust as needed. And it is a magnetic pickup (like MSD) Had to go that route for those who insisted on putting 12 volts (instead of the 9.6 they were designed for) to the Unilites and gave them a bad rap.
    Dave
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    1965 Skylark Sport Coupe

    Prior: Army Infantry (Afghanistan), Jack of All Trades @ TA Performance, Aviation Mechanic US Navy.

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    Default Re: The good and bad with MSD 8552 ready to run distributor?

    [QUOTE=TORQUED455;1021964]What are points?

    QUOTE]


    Field collapsing devices....
    C9

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    Default Re: The good and bad with MSD 8552 ready to run distributor?

    Larry, I can't explain why, but shooting the timing with a Sears Penske dial-back light set at zero showed the timing about 20 degrees off - forget which way - so I returned the light.

    The standard Sears Penske timing light I've had for a while shot the timing as it should.

    Mallory Unilite, MSD6al, Accell 8.8mm plug wires and an engine that had been tuned and ran well.
    (462", mild cam, headers, 9/1 CR, Edelbrock 750, KB roller rockers etc.)

    I've seen other guys comment that their dial-back timing light - several different brands - shot the timing just fine and a few that had the same problem I did.

    Depending on the ignition system and where I'm at with the engine build (running, on the stand etc.) I set the timing statically with a continuity tester across the points.

    If an electronic ignition, I pull #1 spark plug wire, install a spare plug in the plug wire terminal and ground the plug with a test wire lead.
    Set the crank where you want to check initial timing, go forward then back and the plug will fire when you're at the desired timing point.

    I've used the cellophane off cigarette packs to check initial timing on a points ignition as well as used a worn dime for a gap gauge...
    C9

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    Default Re: The good and bad with MSD 8552 ready to run distributor?

    I’m convinced, and confused.

    Okay, I’m on; I want to buy a Mallory Comp SS. What more do I need; which coil and which plug wires? And what more are good to get related to this.

    I have a completely rebuilt engine, new cam and so on so it sounded good about the breaking it in part. For some reason do I worried about using my stock balancer, don’t know if that’s any subject which I should ask related to this also.

    Thanks
    .:. Buick Electra 225 Convertible 1967 .:.

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    Default Re: The good and bad with MSD 8552 ready to run distributor?

    if you plan on running an ignition box you cant get solid core wires (or so the directions say), coil is really more of a preference if you ask me.

    i wonder which is better, the summit brand ignition box (made by mallory) or the mallory box?

    while reading this thread i decided to change from planning an MSD distributor to a Mallory, now why not run a mallory box?

    sorry for sorta hijacking this thread
    Steven

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    Default Re: The good and bad with MSD 8552 ready to run distributor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buick Power View Post
    Larry,
    Everytime I have dealt with an MSD and a dial timing light, the timing light fluctuates and is not accurate. For instance on the Car Craft and the Overhaulin' engines we had to abort the use of the MSD during the cam break in and put the 20 year old Comp 9000 out of the wagon in, to do the break ins. There maybe some dials that work, but in general they don't. I just kill way too much time tuning over the phone, if I can't get someone to confirm a specific parameter that I give them. Hard to explain, but setting up most of these street combinations is not hard, but every day, I have to start with step one and I need an easier way to communicate to the customer. Another instance, had a customer with a combo that wasn't running right. Initially it was an assumption what the initial timing was, because the (OE) distributor was re-curved to the correct spec. Well it wasn't, so after the customer and I had to spend extra time to figure that out, and now because it is an OE and he can't adjust it himself, he is dead in the water for now. I just go through the same scenario 1-2 times per day. I used to do this with the high volume oil pumps, every day stripped dist. gear, broken pin. Ok, here is a cam, distributor gear and oil pump, sorry. Now, I'm pro active instead. "high I need TA 1506 high volume oil pump" me: "Why" cust: "because that's what you use in a performance combination" me: "No, blah, blah, blah". Now almost everyone is aware of the HV oil pump issues. I'm not really complaining, just trying to get the foundation stuff more simple, so we can move on.

    This is why we worked with Mallory on the Comp SS, inexpensive plug-n-play distributor so we have a depandable starting point and can adjust as needed. And it is a magnetic pickup (like MSD) Had to go that route for those who insisted on putting 12 volts (instead of the 9.6 they were designed for) to the Unilites and gave them a bad rap.
    Thanks Dave,
    My light seems to work fine on the MSD. i always confirm it with my standard light and 30* mark. I know what you mean about timing questions. There is alot of confusion out there about correct ignition timing and how to adjust it.
    Larry
    1998 "Fully Optioned" SC3800 Riviera
    70 GS 455 Stage1, TSP 470, 602 HP@ 5900, 589 TQ @ 4900
    TA Hyd Roller Cam, 230*/238*, 112, .544"/.577" lift, 4-7 swap
    MSD Digital 6+, Ignitionman Distributor w/MSD trigger
    1967 BT Switchpitch ST-400, Gear Vendors OD
    with TSP 3200/1800 converter
    AED 1000 HO Carb, 800 CFM 7042240 Quadrajet
    8.5 10 bolt, 3.73's
    Best E.T. 11.54@ 115.00. Best MPH, 11.58@ 115.89
    Larrymta@verizon.net, GSCA #291
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    Default Re: The good and bad with MSD 8552 ready to run distributor?

    Dave, thanks for the follow-up. You're a good man!
    Bob

    '72 GS350 convertible, 455, "TORQUED" 11.37 @117, 1.57
    '70 GSX Tribute 9.51 @140+, 1.33, 3650 lbs race weight, factory iron block, 1 carb, full exhaust, no power adders
    '87 GN 59K original owner

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyXRjiO-oFE

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    Default Re: The good and bad with MSD 8552 ready to run distributor?

    Quote Originally Posted by LARRY70GS View Post
    There is alot of confusion out there about correct ignition timing and how to adjust it.
    Larry, there is a really informative sticky on this very subject somewhere. I suggest finding it and reading it!
    Bob

    '72 GS350 convertible, 455, "TORQUED" 11.37 @117, 1.57
    '70 GSX Tribute 9.51 @140+, 1.33, 3650 lbs race weight, factory iron block, 1 carb, full exhaust, no power adders
    '87 GN 59K original owner

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyXRjiO-oFE

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    Default Re: The good and bad with MSD 8552 ready to run distributor?

    Quote Originally Posted by TORQUED455 View Post
    Larry, there is a really informative sticky on this very subject somewhere. I suggest finding it and reading it!

    Bob, I am the one who wrote it

    http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=63475
    Larry
    1998 "Fully Optioned" SC3800 Riviera
    70 GS 455 Stage1, TSP 470, 602 HP@ 5900, 589 TQ @ 4900
    TA Hyd Roller Cam, 230*/238*, 112, .544"/.577" lift, 4-7 swap
    MSD Digital 6+, Ignitionman Distributor w/MSD trigger
    1967 BT Switchpitch ST-400, Gear Vendors OD
    with TSP 3200/1800 converter
    AED 1000 HO Carb, 800 CFM 7042240 Quadrajet
    8.5 10 bolt, 3.73's
    Best E.T. 11.54@ 115.00. Best MPH, 11.58@ 115.89
    Larrymta@verizon.net, GSCA #291
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    Default Re: The good and bad with MSD 8552 ready to run distributor?

    I know!! Note my smilie!
    Bob

    '72 GS350 convertible, 455, "TORQUED" 11.37 @117, 1.57
    '70 GSX Tribute 9.51 @140+, 1.33, 3650 lbs race weight, factory iron block, 1 carb, full exhaust, no power adders
    '87 GN 59K original owner

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyXRjiO-oFE

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    Default Re: The good and bad with MSD 8552 ready to run distributor?

    Quote Originally Posted by TORQUED455 View Post
    I know!! Note my smilie!

    "I see" said the blind man
    Larry
    1998 "Fully Optioned" SC3800 Riviera
    70 GS 455 Stage1, TSP 470, 602 HP@ 5900, 589 TQ @ 4900
    TA Hyd Roller Cam, 230*/238*, 112, .544"/.577" lift, 4-7 swap
    MSD Digital 6+, Ignitionman Distributor w/MSD trigger
    1967 BT Switchpitch ST-400, Gear Vendors OD
    with TSP 3200/1800 converter
    AED 1000 HO Carb, 800 CFM 7042240 Quadrajet
    8.5 10 bolt, 3.73's
    Best E.T. 11.54@ 115.00. Best MPH, 11.58@ 115.89
    Larrymta@verizon.net, GSCA #291
    BPG # 1063
    N.E. GS/GN Club Assistant Director

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    Default Re: The good and bad with MSD 8552 ready to run distributor?

    Very well done, BTW!
    Bob

    '72 GS350 convertible, 455, "TORQUED" 11.37 @117, 1.57
    '70 GSX Tribute 9.51 @140+, 1.33, 3650 lbs race weight, factory iron block, 1 carb, full exhaust, no power adders
    '87 GN 59K original owner

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyXRjiO-oFE

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    Default Re: The good and bad with MSD 8552 ready to run distributor?

    A discussion from another forum (Chevelle) about Mallory quality you might find interesting.

    http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175891


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    Default Re: The good and bad with MSD 8552 ready to run distributor?

    Well now I’m not so sure what to choose, once again. :-)
    Please say that the Mallory Comp SS model doesn’t have this off-set?
    .:. Buick Electra 225 Convertible 1967 .:.

 

 
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