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    Default Re: 350 Hyd roller cams, any interest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Weise View Post
    Cason,

    Here's a concept your should get your head around..

    If your ever going to get alum heads for a 350, they are going to be a direct result of folks "shoveling" their money to TA for 350 speed parts.

    Bet on it.. TA's big block customers are the proof. We now have virtually everything for a BBB, because we supported TA over the years.

    Your animosity toward this vendor is well documented, but the reality is that for a 350 guy who wants parts, your actions and attitude will retard the development and production of the parts you want so badly.

    If you don't want to take my advice, then then your alternative is to graduate from college, make a million dollars, and have your own Alum heads made.

    We will be waiting for that.. hey, we still live in something that resembles America, it could happen.

    Let's hold our breath... you go first..

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    As to the subject of why you spend the money to go to a roller profile.. that's simple.

    You can run a much more radical roller cam, and maintain the same driveability of a much smaller flat tappet camshaft.

    This is a critical development in the evolution of the Buick 350, which is a cylinder head limited engine. You need longer valve events to make power. But those longer valve events have a negative affect on driveablity.. until you go to a roller profile.

    But until recently, there were no roller profiles available.. until TA Performance developed them.

    Reduction of friction, and parts reliablity is a secondary benefit.

    JW
    THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT JIM! Obviously the guy has a bug up his a** about TA Performance. These are the folks that keep people like TA Performance from making parts. Roller cams were made for a reason. TOO STOP FRICTION. They have been in the Mustang for over 20 years now. 20 years that is a long time. EVERYTHING I got for my motor came from TA Performance. Including the port job on my heads and the deep oil pann and the SFI flywheel. Also don't forget the Forged pistons the 73 up rods and the new crankshaft along with the cam, TA 510. Running for 14 years now.

    The only thing that I changed was the cam I went to a smaller cam and this got me out of the hole quicker I went about 2 tenths faster, big deal. The only reason it was faster was because it got out of the hole faster. I still went the same MPH.
    Yeah I will admit I used a Lunati cam on the change. The first thing that I noticed is that by 6000 rpm it was done. The TA 510 went past this easily. I just need to find one that is in between the two. If I was doing the motor today I would put in the roller cam. Who in the hell wants a stock 350 Buick anyways. I also filled out their little cam survey to see what kind of cam they would suggest. That was over a week ago. They say it will only take 24 hours or they will call you. I am still waiting. I guess asking for a solid lift cam and all of my other info was too much for them.

    Remember this when thinking about a cam...FOREWARD EVER BACKWARD NEVER.
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    With 350 trans 11.87@112, 125 shot nitrous 3500 stall
    With 200-4r trans 11.81 @ 114 Same shot 3000 stall w/lockup
    417hp 463tq rwhp w/125 nitrous shot. On motor 284 hp 310 tq. rwp

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    Default Re: 350 Hyd roller cams, any interest?

    I am interested in the 350 Hyd roller cam when do you think it might come out?

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    Default Re: 350 Hyd roller cams, any interest?

    I like everyone in here but I think this thread is becomming tasteless

    this is a thread for people interested or actually going to buy the product...not a debate about what other product is better..

    of course everyone doesnt need a roller cam setup...

    so back on topic who actually ordered one and what grind did you choose?

    i'm calling up tommorrow and getitng the following
    114deg LSA
    lift .485 intake exhaust .480
    duration .276 intake .270 exhaust
    @50 218 intake 214 exhaust
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    Justa350 First to hang a pair of turbos and cause Kaos
    GSJohnny First to max out the bore at .090 and his .075 and have engines that actually breath well N/A!
    Bobb Makley First well known to Stroke a 350
    Ken Betts, Hopefully the guy to pull-off 350 AL heads :-D

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    Default Re: 350 Hyd roller cams, any interest?

    Quote Originally Posted by od88fan View Post
    I am interested in the 350 Hyd roller cam when do you think it might come out?
    it's out now..they took a tentive order months ago to see what amount they should make a run for
    they actually become available this past monday i believe
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    Buick 350 Inspirational members to me..
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    BillMah52 First to take a 350 where no man has gone before
    Justa350 First to hang a pair of turbos and cause Kaos
    GSJohnny First to max out the bore at .090 and his .075 and have engines that actually breath well N/A!
    Bobb Makley First well known to Stroke a 350
    Ken Betts, Hopefully the guy to pull-off 350 AL heads :-D

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    Default Re: 350 Hyd roller cams, any interest?

    Cason,

    No one wants you to be a kiss ass.. just don't be such a pill.


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    Default Re: 350 Hyd roller cams, any interest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nothingface5384 View Post

    so back on topic who actually ordered one and what grind did you choose?

    Getting the complete roller setup. The hyd roller lifters are also in stock. Working on the cam specs still.
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    Default Re: 350 Hyd roller cams, any interest?

    yea i'm also getting the whole setup
    i didnt have the @50 info at the time i called earlier today so i'll get that straight tm
    as i need to flip flop the intake specs for the exhaust
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    Buick 350 Inspirational members to me..
    TuBBeD for his 551+ N/A build
    BillMah52 First to take a 350 where no man has gone before
    Justa350 First to hang a pair of turbos and cause Kaos
    GSJohnny First to max out the bore at .090 and his .075 and have engines that actually breath well N/A!
    Bobb Makley First well known to Stroke a 350
    Ken Betts, Hopefully the guy to pull-off 350 AL heads :-D

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    Default Re: 350 Hyd roller cams, any interest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nothingface5384 View Post
    i'm calling up tommorrow and getitng the following

    lift .485 intake exhaust .480
    duration .276 intake .270 exhaust
    @50 218 intake 214 exhaust

    Your going to have to explain the thought process on that one to me..

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    Default Re: 350 Hyd roller cams, any interest?

    turbo cam?

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    Default Re: 350 Hyd roller cams, any interest?

    Quote Originally Posted by 71skylark3504v View Post
    These are the folks that keep people like TA Performance from making parts.

    I guess they don't like money. If they don't want to make parts fine, but I'll be damned before I kiss .

    cason,
    slow down. you have to live the history of buick performance parts. and you have a loooong way to catch up to me and others.
    john

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    Default Re: 350 Hyd roller cams, any interest?

    some turbo 6 grinds have more intake lift/duration over the exhaust side like that..

    example
    HYDRAULIC ROLLER-Performance upgrade for Hyd. Hyd. 1500 to 6200 69-400-8 269HR 269 264 218 212 .511 .504 112
    use with aftermarket turbo. Downpipe, intercooler
    preferred. Needs computer modifications
    or aftermarket computer.

    anyone else have any turbo grind reccomendations?
    gs johnny?
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    Buick 350 Inspirational members to me..
    TuBBeD for his 551+ N/A build
    BillMah52 First to take a 350 where no man has gone before
    Justa350 First to hang a pair of turbos and cause Kaos
    GSJohnny First to max out the bore at .090 and his .075 and have engines that actually breath well N/A!
    Bobb Makley First well known to Stroke a 350
    Ken Betts, Hopefully the guy to pull-off 350 AL heads :-D

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    Default Re: 350 Hyd roller cams, any interest?

    i'm strictly n/a. the other stuff is way too much technology for me.

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    Default Re: 350 Hyd roller cams, any interest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nothingface5384 View Post
    some turbo 6 grinds have more intake lift/duration over the exhaust side like that..

    example
    HYDRAULIC ROLLER-Performance upgrade for Hyd. Hyd. 1500 to 6200 69-400-8 269HR 269 264 218 212 .511 .504 112
    use with aftermarket turbo. Downpipe, intercooler
    preferred. Needs computer modifications
    or aftermarket computer.

    anyone else have any turbo grind reccomendations?
    gs johnny?
    I would look at the Popular Hot Rodding mag. from August 2008. They had a article on boosting engines. I would look at what the turbo guys did and also the supercharged ones did to get the differences.
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    11.81@114 mph 125 shot nitrous
    12.42 @105 mph 75 shot
    200-4r trans 3000 stall 373 gears
    H-O Racing suspension
    Mid 12 sec Nitrous run 80 hp shot https://youtu.be/49JqjgpygUQ

    With 350 trans 11.87@112, 125 shot nitrous 3500 stall
    With 200-4r trans 11.81 @ 114 Same shot 3000 stall w/lockup
    417hp 463tq rwhp w/125 nitrous shot. On motor 284 hp 310 tq. rwp

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    Default Re: 350 Hyd roller cams, any interest?

    Quote Originally Posted by 71skylark3504v View Post

    I guess they don't like money. If they don't want to make parts fine, but I'll be damned before I kiss .

    Cason, there are not a whole lot of people that would put much money down on a big project. There are still plenty of "investors" in a certain block from 5 years ago that have seen ZERO return on their $3k. And just maybe TA is already buried in their current projects. I hardly think you're qualified to tell them how they should run their business.

    If you don't like the parts availability for your Buick, then maybe you own the wrong car.

    And BTW, it's total BS to come on a Vendor's thread for a new product, and make a post pushing a competitor's products.
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    Default Re: 350 Hyd roller cams, any interest?

    Back on to the topic of the roller cams.

    Why exactly do you have more emphasis on the intake side? If your heads and springs are up to it, a tad more lift may be helpful. Especially since it's a roller.
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    Default Re: 350 Hyd roller cams, any interest?

    intake bcs a tiny bit higher lift and stay open slightly longer = more air/fuel=more bang
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    Default Re: 350 Hyd roller cams, any interest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Weise View Post
    Your going to have to explain the thought process on that one to me..

    JW

    like i said in an earlier post mark recommended me to choose that, but on a side note.. alot of the buick turbo 6 cams are either equal in values for exhaust and intake or has a higher intake value over exhaust.

    I'm assumming its to help with exhaust reversion

    but just incase i gave both the gs114 and the alterted 114 to tim at ta..and hes going to talk to mike about it..perhaps they may even suggest somthing that'll work better then both..
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    TuBBeD for his 551+ N/A build
    BillMah52 First to take a 350 where no man has gone before
    Justa350 First to hang a pair of turbos and cause Kaos
    GSJohnny First to max out the bore at .090 and his .075 and have engines that actually breath well N/A!
    Bobb Makley First well known to Stroke a 350
    Ken Betts, Hopefully the guy to pull-off 350 AL heads :-D

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    Default Re: 350 Hyd roller cams, any interest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nothingface5384 View Post
    like i said in an earlier post mark recommended me to choose that, but on a side note.. alot of the buick turbo 6 cams are either equal in values for exhaust and intake or has a higher intake value over exhaust.
    It's common for the turbo cams. The 3800 SII guys do that as well for their turbo grinds, or run a straight pattern. The ratio of intake to exhaust is similar to a 231, so it makes sense to copy their cam specs for a turbo motor, I would think.

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    Default Re: 350 Hyd roller cams, any interest?

    Guy, lots of research has gone into the cam specs I suggested for Mike. It is cool that you pointed out that attention should be paid to what the blower guys do compared to the turbo guys because they are different! It still amazes me how many guys throw big blower cams in turbo cars and wonder why they run like turds. In short, 10psi in the carb hat doesn't always mean 10psi in the cylinders!

    Thanks for noting that!





    Quote Originally Posted by Fox's Den View Post
    I would look at the Popular Hot Rodding mag. from August 2008. They had a article on boosting engines. I would look at what the turbo guys did and also the supercharged ones did to get the differences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nothingface5384 View Post
    like i said in an earlier post mark recommended me to choose that, but on a side note.. alot of the buick turbo 6 cams are either equal in values for exhaust and intake or has a higher intake value over exhaust.

    I'm assumming its to help with exhaust reversion

    but just incase i gave both the gs114 and the alterted 114 to tim at ta..and hes going to talk to mike about it..perhaps they may even suggest somthing that'll work better then both..
    I wasn't aware you were doing a turbo setup..

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    Default Re: 350 Hyd roller cams, any interest?

    it's all good Jim
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    BillMah52 First to take a 350 where no man has gone before
    Justa350 First to hang a pair of turbos and cause Kaos
    GSJohnny First to max out the bore at .090 and his .075 and have engines that actually breath well N/A!
    Bobb Makley First well known to Stroke a 350
    Ken Betts, Hopefully the guy to pull-off 350 AL heads :-D

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    Default Re: 350 Hyd roller cams, any interest?

    If I remember correctly I think you need a little bit stiffer spring for the boosted application. The boosted app. will probably try to keep the valve open. This is where the roller cam comes in to play. That is why I think you need a little more spring pressure. You also probably don't need as much overlap, more than likely none. I notice that turbo Buicks idle like a stocker but run like a freight train. A small draw back if you like that lumpy lump sound.

    Now my brothers Mustang that is a different story. He has a Procharger system on his and the cam in it is a little more lumpy. His buddy has a Turbo boosted Mustang and no lumpy cam in it. The real strange thing is when you hear the turbo Mustang do the burnout and pull up to the line it sounds just like a turbo Buick. Both are stick cars and the turbo one will pull the front wheels.

    The Turbo Mustang has run in the high 9's at 145. I think he is in the high 7's on the horsepower. My brother with the Procharger has run in the mid 10's at about 133 he has a little over 600 hp. Both HP numbers at the wheels.

    This is where the roller cam is going to shine. You can run strong spring pressures if you need to and you won't burn up the cam.

    Now for the rest of us we could probably run square lobes on our naturally asperated motors. I bet those beehive springs would work real good with the roller cam.

    The one thing that I have noticed also with both of those Mustangs is that they both run the intercoolers. The only drawback that I see is that both systems seem to be a little warmer under the hood. One thing is for certain, both cars are crazy fast.
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    11.81@114 mph 125 shot nitrous
    12.42 @105 mph 75 shot
    200-4r trans 3000 stall 373 gears
    H-O Racing suspension
    Mid 12 sec Nitrous run 80 hp shot https://youtu.be/49JqjgpygUQ

    With 350 trans 11.87@112, 125 shot nitrous 3500 stall
    With 200-4r trans 11.81 @ 114 Same shot 3000 stall w/lockup
    417hp 463tq rwhp w/125 nitrous shot. On motor 284 hp 310 tq. rwp

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    Default Re: 350 Hyd roller cams, any interest?

    thanks for the input fox!
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    BillMah52 First to take a 350 where no man has gone before
    Justa350 First to hang a pair of turbos and cause Kaos
    GSJohnny First to max out the bore at .090 and his .075 and have engines that actually breath well N/A!
    Bobb Makley First well known to Stroke a 350
    Ken Betts, Hopefully the guy to pull-off 350 AL heads :-D

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    Cason P.
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    Default Re: 350 Hyd roller cams, any interest?

    OK has anyone else ordered one yet. Just ordered mine today i am going with a 212 grind. My rebuilder asked me about a cam bumper talked to TA and they will get back to me hope they have this engine builder says its super important he told me if the cam walks i could have catastophic engine failure. any imput?

 

 
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