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    Default Re: 1964/65 SBB 4 speed information

    Mark, yes, that car was not saveable. What lay under the surface of what you see in the pictures was far worse. Thanks for the kind words on the GS. I hope to have it running this summer!

    Mark
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    Default Re: 1964 Four Speed Information Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 64G-lark View Post
    Four speed cars that came with the 300 cid 355 Wildcat (355 ft lbs of torque 250 Horse Power Pack) came equiped with a Rochester 4 jet carb #7024045 . Automatic cars have #7024044

    The drive shaft in four speed cars is a one piece solid shaft. The end will come to a point between the yoke. The automatic car drive shaft is like a tube inside a tube dampened in between. I will try to get a picture showing the automatic vs. the four speed as this is hard to describe.

    If the car was equipped with back up lights (optional in 64) the front light harness has two addtional wires. A back up switch is mounted off of the transmission. If anyone has pictures of the switch and mounting please post.

    The dash harness is the same although the wires used for netural saftey on an automatic car are jumpered.

    The rear axle ratio is most often 3.23

    The steering column came in std or tilt versions unqiue to the four speed.

    If anyone has production number information or any other information please post up. How many board members have one?

    Has anyone seen a Special with a 300/355 4 speed ? I have seen ads but all four speed cars I have seen are Skylarks.
    I had an original 300 / 355 Wildcat 4-speed Special Delux Convertible in 1969, so they were made. I truly wish that I had that car today. From some research I did I belive there were only 400 4-speed Buick Specials made in 1964. Not many of these still around I'm sure. I keep thinking about a conversion for my existing 64 Special. However, since my 64 vert is such a nice original survivor car and their only original once I put that thought on the back burner.
    1964 Special Convertible. 40K original mile survivor, 300 cu in 2 bbl auto. Kelsey Hayes 14x6 Magstar wheels with tri-bar spinners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 64G-lark View Post
    I did some measuring and found some ARP bolts that work for the flywheel to crankshaft and presure plate to flywheel. I have attached an image with the part numbers I used. This should work on a 340 or 350 as well.
    I can vouch for these pressure plate bolts for a 350 Buick, they are correct as far as I can see, they thread into the flywheel's blind holes and do not bottom out before the pressure plate it fully clamped down. The flywheel bolts might be OK as-is, but when I looked at how much was sticking out of the front of the 350 Buick crank flange, I could see about 3 threads or so sticking out, which on a 7/16-20 bolt is about 0.15 inches. I don't want those tips hitting the engine so I am going to grind the bolts down 3 threads so there is no extra bolt shaft sticking out beyond the crank flange thickness. I found a matching lug nut in my garage, so I will thread the lug nut over the bolt, and expose the 3 threads, then put the bolt in my vice and grind down the bolt end until flush with the lug nut. Then the process of threading the lug nut off will straighten the end of the bolt thread out, and then I'll chamfer the new shortened bolt end for easy starting.
    Kevin
    1964 Buick Special Deluxe 2 door SOLD
    -350 SBB 4bbl, 4 speed saginaw
    1983 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Drag car SOLD
    1969 Mercury Cougar
    1973 Chevelle SS 350 4 speed

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    Instead I used a pneumatic cut off wheel to cut the bolt to length, then a quick chamfer with the grinder, again using the lug nut in the vice. The cut off wheel was much faster then grinding all that stock away. Now my ARP flywheel bolts don't stick out beyond the front of the crank flange. Now I can bolt a lot of stuff together!
    Kevin
    1964 Buick Special Deluxe 2 door SOLD
    -350 SBB 4bbl, 4 speed saginaw
    1983 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Drag car SOLD
    1969 Mercury Cougar
    1973 Chevelle SS 350 4 speed

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    Hi All,

    I am new to the site and just bought a 64 Skylark convertible with a factory four speed (per 2L trim group code), with the 300 ci, 4 bbl. The 4 bbl intake is still on the car and the stock Rochester (with water choke) came with it, though the carb had been removed and replaced with a Holley. So far, the numbers are checking out and I found the engine block serial the other day, that matches the VIN The seller never could never find it, but I did after some under the hood gymnastics.

    I understand that only 100 of these cars were made - can anyone confirm this, with a reference link?

    Thanks.

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    Default Re: 1964/65 SBB 4 speed information

    Congratulations and welcome autom8it,
    Give us some details and let us see some pictures. Did your car have the consolette?
    I have the build quantities from Sloan on these cars so I will have to dig them out and look it up to tell you how many 1964 Skylark convertible 4 speeds were built. They do not break it down to 4bbl. Vs. two barrel carb.

    Clanceman427,
    Sorry I missed your post. I should have clarified sooner but on the ARP flywheel bolts I took .125" off of mine to make sure they didn't contact the block after going through the crank hub.

    ---------- Post added at 10:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:00 PM ----------

    Autom8it,

    There were 752 convertibles Skylarks built with 4 speeds in 1964.

    What color ext. and interior?
    Mark
    1964 Skylark 300/355 Wildcat, 4 speed, 3.55 posi

  7. #57

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    Quote Originally Posted by 64G-lark View Post
    Congratulations and welcome autom8it,
    Give us some details and let us see some pictures. Did your car have the consolette?
    I have the build quantities from Sloan on these cars so I will have to dig them out and look it up to tell you how many 1964 Skylark convertible 4 speeds were built. They do not break it down to 4bbl. Vs. two barrel carb.

    Clanceman427,
    Sorry I missed your post. I should have clarified sooner but on the ARP flywheel bolts I took .125" off of mine to make sure they didn't contact the block after going through the crank hub.

    ---------- Post added at 10:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:00 PM ----------

    Autom8it,

    There were 752 convertibles Skylarks built with 4 speeds in 1964.

    What color ext. and interior?
    ---------
    Thanks for the reply. I found this Hemmings article that said only 100 4 bbls were built... I called the writer at Hemmings and he said he got the number from a Buick GS site... Mmm. I am trying to track down the original reference.

    http://www.hemmings.com/hcc/stories/...feature22.html

    The car is white on white with a white top and it has the consolette. It is very much original, so I have started detailing some parts. I will have to shrink some pics and get them posted. My T-10 has 7-D on it instead of D-7, any idea why this would be?

    It also has the backup light option so I'll look for the rev trans switch and get a photo. I found what appears to be a small build sheet in the documentation that came with the car. It would be great to get it decoded. The first two lines refer to the body style, 367, and interior colour as 164 which is white based on my research. It then list COMB as A02 D33. The final line is DECK A49 and one more character that I can't read. Any ideas on these codes?

    I still need to find out what diff is in the car. Based on the chassis manual, there should be an X near the cover bolt at about 3 o'clock, but it doesn't have this. Based on a little squawk the other day, I am quite certain it is a one wheeler peeler - I.e. no posi.

    The guy I bought it off said the engine was rebuilt 5000 miles ago and he had the builder maintain the 11:1 comp ratio. Engine runs nice and shifts well. It pops out of second gear when decelerating unless I hold it firmly in gear - is this typical for this trans or a possible trans difficiency.

    Sorry for all the questions... Any help is appreciated.

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    Default Re: 1964/65 SBB 4 speed information

    Autom8it, welcome! Man, what a great find you found! Sounds awesome, you might want to also post out on Wet Behind the Ears to introduce yourself and post a few pics, there are many 1st gen. A body fans here and an original, drop-top 4 speed 64 'Lark will have everybody drooling!

    64G lark, no problem, sounds like you did the same thing I did with those flywheel bolts. Hey, great minds think alike! I believe between 64G lark's knowledge, and Autom8it's original time piece of a car, this thread is about to get bolstered with even more great info on the original a body sbb stick shifts!
    Kevin
    1964 Buick Special Deluxe 2 door SOLD
    -350 SBB 4bbl, 4 speed saginaw
    1983 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Drag car SOLD
    1969 Mercury Cougar
    1973 Chevelle SS 350 4 speed

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    Default Re: 1964/65 SBB 4 speed information

    Autom8it,
    The production numbers I have came directly from the orginal Buick documents that the Sloan Musuem has. Like you I was courious about the information on 1964 cars and was able to hook up with a lady there who was nice enough to make me copies of the orginal documents. I will try to get the whole packet out this weekend and look through it and see if I can answer some of your other questions. I think I may have the list of option codes that will decode your build sheet.

    The poping out of second gear is a common problem usually on deceleration. Brian on this board can tell you exactly what causes this. If I recall correctly its related to worn syncros and or slider.

    If you cant find the stampings on your rear end you can get close by jacking the car up. Block it securly! Rotate the drive shaft in netrual and count the turns in relation to the rotation of the tire. I will bet its a 3.23.

    Recently found out the back up switch bracket that mounts on the transmission is reproduced thanks to the same bracket being used on other T-10 equipped GM cars. Specifically the early Corvettes. Ecklers Corvette has them as part number 51001 listed as early 63 Corvette with T-10.
    Attached Images Attached Images
    Mark
    1964 Skylark 300/355 Wildcat, 4 speed, 3.55 posi

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    Thanks again for the reply. First off, very nice car you have - love the white and your wheel choice

    Very interesting that you were able to get a copy of the production numbers. Sure thing if you are able to get any indicators on the option codes, I would love to see it. I did not know that the T10 trans was also used in early vettes; great cross reference.

    I have posted pics of the car, build sheet and the trim plate details on the Wet behind your ears thread, as suggested by another member.
    Last edited by autom8it; 08-24-2013 at 09:15 AM.
    Beau
    1964 Buick Skylark Convert. 4 speed, 355 Wildcat

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    Default Re: 1964/65 SBB 4 speed information

    Autom8it,

    Confirmed your UPC codes in your other post. I can't read the trim tag well enough to tell any more. Nice car enjoy it.
    Mark
    1964 Skylark 300/355 Wildcat, 4 speed, 3.55 posi

  12. #62

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    I have the consolette with the 4 speed trans. Has anyone found a suitable replacement boot for this setup with the consolette?

    Also, the former owner replaced the carpet in the car but the consolette just sits loose on top of it. Can anyone tell me how it fastens to the carpet?

    Thanks.
    Beau
    1964 Buick Skylark Convert. 4 speed, 355 Wildcat

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    Hi Beau,
    That has been a problem. There is a boot that will work but its not perfect. The boot is for an early Camaro. Unlike the orginal boot the retainer ring is not molded into the rubber. I assume you are still using the factory Hurst shifter which is the flat style stick. Another member (Brian Stone) and myself are both using this as it is the best we have found.
    The base flange of the boot is plenty big and can be trimmed down. The good thing is the boot is fairly cheap. We both are using it with the 4 speed consolette. The part number is cp-98 and is available from Eklers or Ricks Camaro. The last time I bought one it was $15.99.
    Here's a link with a picture. Looks like the price went up a little.

    http://www.rickscamaros.com/camaro-s...1967-1968.html

    ---------- Post added at 11:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:04 PM ----------

    Forgot to tell you the mounting. The tri sheild emblem in the middle must be gently pried up. There are three pins that retain it. If your console is not fastened down just flip the metal portion over and gently tap the pins with a small hammer. Less chance of breaking one. The whole things is held down with one screw in the middle under the emblem.
    Mark
    1964 Skylark 300/355 Wildcat, 4 speed, 3.55 posi

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    Hi Mark,

    Great feedback, thank you for the detailed reply. Yes, I am using the factory flat Hurst shifter style stick. The boot you have lead me to is a much better option than the ones I have been looking at, which is great - I will be ordering one up. I like the price too, you can't beat that.

    Ahhh, okay your description about how the consolette is fastened down is crystal clear - I never would have figured that out without your tips - thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by 64G-lark View Post
    Hi Beau,
    That has been a problem. There is a boot that will work but its not perfect. The boot is for an early Camaro. Unlike the orginal boot the retainer ring is not molded into the rubber. I assume you are still using the factory Hurst shifter which is the flat style stick. Another member (Brian Stone) and myself are both using this as it is the best we have found.
    The base flange of the boot is plenty big and can be trimmed down. The good thing is the boot is fairly cheap. We both are using it with the 4 speed consolette. The part number is cp-98 and is available from Eklers or Ricks Camaro. The last time I bought one it was $15.99.
    Here's a link with a picture. Looks like the price went up a little.

    http://www.rickscamaros.com/camaro-s...1967-1968.html

    ---------- Post added at 11:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:04 PM ----------

    Forgot to tell you the mounting. The tri sheild emblem in the middle must be gently pried up. There are three pins that retain it. If your console is not fastened down just flip the metal portion over and gently tap the pins with a small hammer. Less chance of breaking one. The whole things is held down with one screw in the middle under the emblem.
    Beau
    1964 Buick Skylark Convert. 4 speed, 355 Wildcat

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    Default Re: 1964/65 SBB 4 speed information

    Quote Originally Posted by autom8it View Post
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    Thanks for the reply. I found this Hemmings article that said only 100 4 bbls were built... I called the writer at Hemmings and he said he got the number from a Buick GS site... Mmm. I am trying to track down the original reference.

    http://www.hemmings.com/hcc/stories/...feature22.html

    The car is white on white with a white top and it has the consolette. It is very much original, so I have started detailing some parts. I will have to shrink some pics and get them posted. My T-10 has 7-D on it instead of D-7, any idea why this would be?

    It also has the backup light option so I'll look for the rev trans switch and get a photo. I found what appears to be a small build sheet in the documentation that came with the car. It would be great to get it decoded. The first two lines refer to the body style, 367, and interior colour as 164 which is white based on my research. It then list COMB as A02 D33. The final line is DECK A49 and one more character that I can't read. Any ideas on these codes?

    I still need to find out what diff is in the car. Based on the chassis manual, there should be an X near the cover bolt at about 3 o'clock, but it doesn't have this. Based on a little squawk the other day, I am quite certain it is a one wheeler peeler - I.e. no posi.

    The guy I bought it off said the engine was rebuilt 5000 miles ago and he had the builder maintain the 11:1 comp ratio. Engine runs nice and shifts well. It pops out of second gear when decelerating unless I hold it firmly in gear - is this typical for this trans or a possible trans difficiency.

    Sorry for all the questions... Any help is appreciated.
    Hi,I am familiar with the Borg Warner 4 peed conundrum.Jumping out of 2nd or 3rd is a sign of wear,usually on a combination of parts related to those gears.The gear box started life in 1939 as a HD 3 Speed.It was converted to all forward gears in the main case with a reverse gear added to a redesigned extention housing to be introduced for Corvette in 1957.During the re-engineering the mainshaft has no shoulder to separate 2 & 3 gears.A timken roller bearing separates them(back to back).wear can occure on all thrust surfaces and worn engagement teeth exacerbates the problem.The cure can be a bandade fix of Re-Po Torque Lock sliders or a total replacement of all worn parts.either way it is a design flaw and was corrected with the intro of Muncie and Super T's.The originality is affected with ungrades.Some internal later upgrades are always a good idea also.Bill

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    Default Re: 1964/65 SBB 4 speed information

    I have a 4-speed T-10 from 64 Skylark, appears to be factory equip. It has one ring on the input spline. Have not been able to find any info on gear ratio with one groove on intake spline. Any help? thanks
    66 Skylark convertible Wildcat 310 ST300
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    Default Re: 1964/65 SBB 4 speed information

    I also have a 64 Skylark convertible 4 speed. I have recently added an ironing board console. Love this car.DSC03244.jpgDSC03236.jpg

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    Default Re: 1964/65 SBB 4 speed information

    Early T-10 with one ID groove is a wide ratio (2.54 1st gear)...

    Hope this helps... Crash

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    Default Re: 1964/65 SBB 4 speed information

    For Reference:
    Pilot bushing/ bearing for crankshaft is National PB-656_HD
    Throw out bearing Hayes 70-201
    Mark
    1964 Skylark 300/355 Wildcat, 4 speed, 3.55 posi

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    Default Re: 1964/65 SBB 4 speed information

    Mark,

    I have a ACC 2LP on my cowl tag. I have read some other posts that identify a 4-speed by the "L", the P is supposed to mean back-up lights which my car has. I believe it has a switch on the tranny and saw a post earlier to post a pic. Will do when can. Am very new at this hope my info is correct for you.
    66 Skylark convertible Wildcat 310 ST300
    64 Skylark convertible Wildcat 355 4-speed
    Gary

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    Default Re: 1964/65 SBB 4 speed information

    Have a T-10 transmission with date stamp on side cover 6-21-63, It has another number stamped on it WH1333. Do I have this right;

    W=Warner
    H=August
    13= 13th day
    3= 1963
    3= 3rd shift

    Have heard of VIN's on transmissions, don't know if it is supposed to match the motor and title VIN though.
    66 Skylark convertible Wildcat 310 ST300
    64 Skylark convertible Wildcat 355 4-speed
    Gary

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    Default Re: 1964/65 SBB 4 speed information

    Quote Originally Posted by crawdadman View Post
    I have a 4-speed T-10 from 64 Skylark, appears to be factory equip. It has one ring on the input spline. Have not been able to find any info on gear ratio with one groove on intake spline. Any help? thanks
    put it in each gear and count how many turns of input shaft for one turn of the output shaft. 4 th is easy: one for one
    Kevin
    1964 Buick Special Deluxe 2 door SOLD
    -350 SBB 4bbl, 4 speed saginaw
    1983 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Drag car SOLD
    1969 Mercury Cougar
    1973 Chevelle SS 350 4 speed

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    Quote Originally Posted by crawdadman View Post
    Have a T-10 transmission with date stamp on side cover 6-21-63, It has another number stamped on it WH1333. Do I have this right;

    W=Warner
    H=August
    13= 13th day
    3= 1963
    3= 3rd shift

    Have heard of VIN's on transmissions, don't know if it is supposed to match the motor and title VIN though.
    Sounds good. The side cover has the casting date, and the case stamping would be the assembly date. I've seen the VIN stamped on the top of the bearing support, which is the plate between the case and tailshaft. Not the whole VIN, just the last 6 or so digits.
    Walt K
    (1)'66 GS Astro Blue, 13.41 et (2)'66 GS Saddle Mist, L76 Q-jet option, 1 of 132 (3)'66 GS Flame Red, Calif car (4)'66 GS Silver Mist, 4 speed (5)'66 Special, Flame Red, 300 (6)'79 Turbo Regal, 14.1 et (7)'65 GS 4 speed 'vert

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    Default Re: 1964/65 SBB 4 speed information

    Are the 66 Skylark 3 on the tree parts worth saving? I have a 225v-6 3sp car I'm about ready to part.
    Todd

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    1966 Skylark
    1966 Special(parts car)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 36racin View Post
    Are the 66 Skylark 3 on the tree parts worth saving? I have a 225v-6 3sp car I'm about ready to part.
    Pedals, clutch linkage, and even the bellhousing will fit 300-340-350-400-430-455 swaps!
    ...and Pedals are same as 65-66 GS.
    Walt K
    (1)'66 GS Astro Blue, 13.41 et (2)'66 GS Saddle Mist, L76 Q-jet option, 1 of 132 (3)'66 GS Flame Red, Calif car (4)'66 GS Silver Mist, 4 speed (5)'66 Special, Flame Red, 300 (6)'79 Turbo Regal, 14.1 et (7)'65 GS 4 speed 'vert

 

 
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