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    Default 73 4 Speed Question

    I have a question for the 73 owners. Does anyone know what the Hurst shifter mechanism number is for a 73? I'm referring to the actual shifter itself, not the handle. I know that the 68-72's use Hurst # 3138. Was this also used in 73?

    Thanks,

    Larry
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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    I have an original shifter up in my attic - I'll take a look tomorrow
    Rhett

    65 Gran Sport Convertible
    71 GS455 - Unconfirmed Stage1
    73 Gran Sport Stage1 4spd
    72 Pontiac Grand Ville Convertible

    71 GS455 Conv. 4spd Tribute - Sold, now a Swedish citizen
    66 Corvair Monza 140 4spd Convertible - Sold, presumed Hurricane Sandy victim

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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    I looked, but didnt see anytihng but patent numbers - where on the shifter would I find it? Can you post a picture?
    Rhett

    65 Gran Sport Convertible
    71 GS455 - Unconfirmed Stage1
    73 Gran Sport Stage1 4spd
    72 Pontiac Grand Ville Convertible

    71 GS455 Conv. 4spd Tribute - Sold, now a Swedish citizen
    66 Corvair Monza 140 4spd Convertible - Sold, presumed Hurricane Sandy victim

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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    Rhett,

    Attached is a picture of the shifter mechanism from a 68-72 shifter that was on E-bay recently. The #3138 is stamped into the side of the shifter. I have also included a link to the Ebay ad for reference. I would also be interested in finding out what the number for the shifter handle is if you can provide it.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...84.m1423.l2649

    Thanks for your help.

    Larry
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    70 GS455 Conv-Seamist Green, white top & interior
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    73 Stage 1 - 4 speed, Black w/ white Interior ( Sold).
    86 GN - Original pwner
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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    Thanks for the pic - it is a 3138....I dont see a number stamped into the handle though...if it's on the shank buried in the mechanism we're out of luck.... I have no idea how this might come apart!

    It might be different for a 73 with bucket seats anyway..it's got a good offset toward the driver and a more defined bend back (45 degrees?)

    Hope the pics help...
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    Rhett

    65 Gran Sport Convertible
    71 GS455 - Unconfirmed Stage1
    73 Gran Sport Stage1 4spd
    72 Pontiac Grand Ville Convertible

    71 GS455 Conv. 4spd Tribute - Sold, now a Swedish citizen
    66 Corvair Monza 140 4spd Convertible - Sold, presumed Hurricane Sandy victim

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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    My shifter on my 350 4 speed has nothing but the patent numbers as well..My handle looks different than all the others as well. Must be that it's a bench seat handle It has no numbers on it as well...
    Pat Harmon


    1973 Century Gran Sport 4 speed
    1970 455 Skylark
    (3)1986 Century GS's

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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    the number on mine was on the forward face - and buried under 38 years of grease and grime....
    Rhett

    65 Gran Sport Convertible
    71 GS455 - Unconfirmed Stage1
    73 Gran Sport Stage1 4spd
    72 Pontiac Grand Ville Convertible

    71 GS455 Conv. 4spd Tribute - Sold, now a Swedish citizen
    66 Corvair Monza 140 4spd Convertible - Sold, presumed Hurricane Sandy victim

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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    Rhett & Pat,

    Thanks for taking the time to research this for me. The pictures you posted help a lot. After I posted my pictures, I realized the numbers were stamped on the forward face. Jason Cook had sent me a picture awhile back of a 73 shifter in a bench seat car that showed that the shifter handle had more bend to it than the 58-72 shifter handle. Also, the #3138 stamped on forward face only means that it is a part of the shifter mechanism per Pete Serio from Precision Pontiac who is an expert on Hurst shifters and rebuilds and restores them. This info comes from his book, Vintage Hurst Shifters, Volume 1.

    The handle has a number stamped on it but you have to remove it from the shifter mechanism to see it. It requires that you use a thin piece of metal and slide it down beside the handle to release the tab that holds it to the shifter mechanism. Attached are a couple of scans from the book that show how to remove the handle. The scans are kinda light. Apologize for that but I couldn't get them any darker and still be able to read them. Each of the scans show where to slide the piece of metal to release the handle. It may require a little bit of work to remove the handle as that part of the shifter was exposed to all the dirt, salt, water, and other debris from the underside of the car. It would be really interesting to compare yours and Pat's numbers from the handle as each was for a different application, ie, buckets seat versus a bench seat. I would be interested in any of the numbers stamped into the shifter mechanism if you can provide them.

    I'm going to try and talk to Pete Serio( He is a local guy) in the next couple of weeks and see what I can learn from him. He aslo has a second book, Volume #2, that might shed some light.

    Thanks for your and Pat's input. Good info.

    Larry
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    Last edited by Larry Gibson; 09-30-2011 at 11:02 AM. Reason: Spelling
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    72 GS Stage 1-Flame orange,white bucket interior
    73 Stage 1 - 4 speed, Black w/ white Interior ( Sold).
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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    what I use to get the handle out is 2 feeler gauge's & it work's great. p.s. Larry if your talking to him would you find out how much he charge's to do a shifter rebuild & the turn around time? I need mine rebuilt before BG if possible. Thank's--Lee
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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    Larry -

    My pleasure, and I'll try to slide that thin apart this weekend and see if I can read the numbers..
    Rhett

    65 Gran Sport Convertible
    71 GS455 - Unconfirmed Stage1
    73 Gran Sport Stage1 4spd
    72 Pontiac Grand Ville Convertible

    71 GS455 Conv. 4spd Tribute - Sold, now a Swedish citizen
    66 Corvair Monza 140 4spd Convertible - Sold, presumed Hurricane Sandy victim

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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Bacon View Post
    what I use to get the handle out is 2 feeler gauge's & it work's great. p.s. Larry if your talking to him would you find out how much he charge's to do a shifter rebuild & the turn around time? I need mine rebuilt before BG if possible. Thank's--Lee
    Lee,

    Here is the contact info for Pete Serio. His website has all the pertinent info to answer your questions regarding a rebuild & turnaround time.

    http://precisionpontiac.net/

    HTH

    Larry
    BPG #1081
    GSCA #423
    70 GSX-Yellow #281
    70 GS455 Conv-Seamist Green, white top & interior
    72 GS Stage 1-Flame orange,white bucket interior
    73 Stage 1 - 4 speed, Black w/ white Interior ( Sold).
    86 GN - Original pwner
    69 Z-28 - Owned since 1983

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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigpig455 View Post
    Larry -

    My pleasure, and I'll try to slide that thin apart this weekend and see if I can read the numbers..
    Rhett,

    I removed the handle from the shifter mechanism today that I received yesterday that I had bought off E-bay. I used a small putty knife to slide down between the handle and the stainless clip that holds it in place. The handle came out so easy I couldn't believe it. Must have been easy because the shifter came from California and wasn't rusty. I got really lucky with this purchase as the handle is very, very nice and the setup came with all the shifter arms, trunions, etc. The last time I tried to remove one of the shifter handles was from a shifter that came from the northeast and was rusty. I literally had to disassemble the shifter mechanism to get the handle out.

    Good luck getting your hanlde out!!!

    Larry
    BPG #1081
    GSCA #423
    70 GSX-Yellow #281
    70 GS455 Conv-Seamist Green, white top & interior
    72 GS Stage 1-Flame orange,white bucket interior
    73 Stage 1 - 4 speed, Black w/ white Interior ( Sold).
    86 GN - Original pwner
    69 Z-28 - Owned since 1983

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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    Talked to Pete Serio yesterday and had him take a look at this thread. He pointed out a couple of things regarding the 73 shifters and handles. He stated that the pictures of Rhett's shifter confirmed his understanding of what was put into these cars in 1973. He said the handle will only have an 'H' on it like the one Rhett posted. He aslo stated that the handle may [B]not[B]have any numbers on it. His reasoning was that by 73 the muscle car market was dwindling fast and the car manufacturers were ordering Hurst shifters in small quantities. He also said that the shifter mechanism was probably completly different for 73 due to the new body style. He did say he thought the shifter mechanism was very similar to what Oldsmobile used in the 70 W30 & 442 cars.

    Rhett, if you get an opportunity to pull your shifter, it would be nice to see if it has any numbers on it.

    Thanks,

    Larry
    Last edited by Larry Gibson; 10-05-2011 at 06:44 PM. Reason: Spelling
    BPG #1081
    GSCA #423
    70 GSX-Yellow #281
    70 GS455 Conv-Seamist Green, white top & interior
    72 GS Stage 1-Flame orange,white bucket interior
    73 Stage 1 - 4 speed, Black w/ white Interior ( Sold).
    86 GN - Original pwner
    69 Z-28 - Owned since 1983

    Life is like a mirror. If you frown at it, it frowns back; If you smile, it returns the greeting.

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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    I'll try to look at that tonight..
    Rhett

    65 Gran Sport Convertible
    71 GS455 - Unconfirmed Stage1
    73 Gran Sport Stage1 4spd
    72 Pontiac Grand Ville Convertible

    71 GS455 Conv. 4spd Tribute - Sold, now a Swedish citizen
    66 Corvair Monza 140 4spd Convertible - Sold, presumed Hurricane Sandy victim

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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    At least I know the boot I gave you is NOS!. Got 2 4 speeds and I wont look cause they are sleeping. LOL And i would need John C to do it.
    Philip Roitman
    2 73 Century GS Stage 1 4-speeds 1- Highly optioned 4 speed & 1 rat!
    73 Century GS Stage 1 Suncoupe SCO paint "05" BCA National Gold. 2010 BPG Stage 1 Convention Silver Concours winner, 2013 MCACN Concours Gold & Sloan Museum pick Award
    73 Century GS 455 (T Code, 1 of 99) 12.850 @ 105.51 MPH (Cecil Dragway 2012.) Factory Stock.
    73 Century GS 350. (462 now) (11.20 @ 121) (Cecil 2013)

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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    I havent been able to get the handle free - I might have to soak it..
    Rhett

    65 Gran Sport Convertible
    71 GS455 - Unconfirmed Stage1
    73 Gran Sport Stage1 4spd
    72 Pontiac Grand Ville Convertible

    71 GS455 Conv. 4spd Tribute - Sold, now a Swedish citizen
    66 Corvair Monza 140 4spd Convertible - Sold, presumed Hurricane Sandy victim

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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    Rhett,

    I appreciate your efforts in trying to get the handle out. I know first hand how difficult it can be to get one out, as stated earlier in this thread. If you are successful, great. If not, thanks for trying.

    Phil,

    Again, thanks for the shifter boot. I'm saving it for the correct shifter handle, when I find one.

    Larry
    BPG #1081
    GSCA #423
    70 GSX-Yellow #281
    70 GS455 Conv-Seamist Green, white top & interior
    72 GS Stage 1-Flame orange,white bucket interior
    73 Stage 1 - 4 speed, Black w/ white Interior ( Sold).
    86 GN - Original pwner
    69 Z-28 - Owned since 1983

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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    Great thread......Useful info because I'm looking to put a 4-speed in one of these 73s in the future.........

    Rhett, Could you measure the length of the shifter....maybe like from end to end and up the back side around the curve? Thanks!
    Anthony
    73 GS 455 - UNDER RESTORATION!
    73 GS Stage 1
    73 GS 350 4 speed SCO Midnight Gray Paint
    71 Porsche 911E

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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    Quote Originally Posted by 73BuickGS455 View Post
    Great thread......Useful info because I'm looking to put a 4-speed in one of these 73s in the future.........

    Rhett, Could you measure the length of the shifter....maybe like from end to end and up the back side around the curve? Thanks!
    To add to what Anthony requested, I would like to have a tracing of the shifter handle or some measurements so that a replacement handle might be able to be bought from Hurst.

    Thanks,

    Larry
    BPG #1081
    GSCA #423
    70 GSX-Yellow #281
    70 GS455 Conv-Seamist Green, white top & interior
    72 GS Stage 1-Flame orange,white bucket interior
    73 Stage 1 - 4 speed, Black w/ white Interior ( Sold).
    86 GN - Original pwner
    69 Z-28 - Owned since 1983

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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gibson View Post
    To add to what Anthony requested, I would like to have a tracing of the shifter handle or some measurements so that a replacement handle might be able to be bought from Hurst.

    Thanks,

    Larry
    Exactly my point since it will be pretty close to impossible to find on out of a 73 car.
    Anthony
    73 GS 455 - UNDER RESTORATION!
    73 GS Stage 1
    73 GS 350 4 speed SCO Midnight Gray Paint
    71 Porsche 911E

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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    Guess I will get John C to look. He is not cheap
    Philip Roitman
    2 73 Century GS Stage 1 4-speeds 1- Highly optioned 4 speed & 1 rat!
    73 Century GS Stage 1 Suncoupe SCO paint "05" BCA National Gold. 2010 BPG Stage 1 Convention Silver Concours winner, 2013 MCACN Concours Gold & Sloan Museum pick Award
    73 Century GS 455 (T Code, 1 of 99) 12.850 @ 105.51 MPH (Cecil Dragway 2012.) Factory Stock.
    73 Century GS 350. (462 now) (11.20 @ 121) (Cecil 2013)

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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    larry,

    i can send the whole shifter and rods to you if you need to look at an original bucket seat shifter. it's been on the shelf since '78.
    email gsjohnny at earthlink.net or 860-871-0185

    john

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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    Quote Originally Posted by gsjohnny1 View Post
    larry,

    i can send the whole shifter and rods to you if you need to look at an original bucket seat shifter. it's been on the shelf since '78.
    email gsjohnny at earthlink.net or 860-871-0185

    john
    John,

    I appreciate the offer to send it to me but I don't want to risk the chance of it getting lost/stolen in transit. I am just trying to find out any numbers on the handle and shifter mechanism. I asked for a tracing of the handle if it doesn't have a number on it. That way I can take some measurements and try to match it up with a currently available Hurst handle. At this time, I have a replacement Hurst Competition Plus shifter and handle in the car and it works fine. Would like to find an original set up for my car but I know the odds of that happening are slim.

    Thanks for the offer.

    Larry
    BPG #1081
    GSCA #423
    70 GSX-Yellow #281
    70 GS455 Conv-Seamist Green, white top & interior
    72 GS Stage 1-Flame orange,white bucket interior
    73 Stage 1 - 4 speed, Black w/ white Interior ( Sold).
    86 GN - Original pwner
    69 Z-28 - Owned since 1983

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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    I'll measure and trace the shifter - PM with an address to send the results.
    Rhett

    65 Gran Sport Convertible
    71 GS455 - Unconfirmed Stage1
    73 Gran Sport Stage1 4spd
    72 Pontiac Grand Ville Convertible

    71 GS455 Conv. 4spd Tribute - Sold, now a Swedish citizen
    66 Corvair Monza 140 4spd Convertible - Sold, presumed Hurricane Sandy victim

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    Default Re: 73 4 Speed Question

    Any luck with this Rhett? Thanks!
    Anthony
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    73 GS Stage 1
    73 GS 350 4 speed SCO Midnight Gray Paint
    71 Porsche 911E

 

 
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