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    Default Twin turbo 455, FI

    I love Buicks, always have; and think that with the body of knowledge on how to build these motors, I can give an LSanything a run for its money with the same amount of dollars spent. That means a LS7 or LS3 with a blower costs between 13,000 and 17,000. I say I can build a Buick motor that performs better for the same or less dollars....

    So here it starts.
    I have a 1976 block that I bought a long, long time ago - it's at the machine shop getting bored, and girdle attached
    Here it is after it was done wrong:



    add two of these



    a couple of these


    yeah, I know some on here don't like Edelbrock heads... let me save you the rant - I don't care what you think... I'm selling tickets to the event of "I told you so" when I'm done with this build - so please, if you feel the need, do buy a ticket and wait in line




    and I had these laser cut



    To recap, expected HP is 700, torque should be close to that number; all in by 5500. It's going in a 70 Skylark (my avatar) with a suspension that is tubular, boxed, and braced for road racing; large disk brakes and (to be changed) 3.73 gears.
    It will be port fuel injected and I probably will build the manifold for it, and I am building the headers.

    This upgrade should be done by end of summer

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    Default Re: Twin turbo 455, FI

    Very Cool!

    I hear there is a popular CNC program for porting those heads, and the owner of the shop has a nice boosted big block.

    Curious why youre building the headers yourself. Lots of choices out there.
    Azeem
    Ottawa Ontario Canada

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    Default Re: Twin turbo 455, FI

    sounds awsome

    what brank fuel injection you doing?
    mega squirt, holley, accel?

    and if you need a fuel pressure regulator i have a new in box fuelab brand
    Mike aka BiZnO
    72 twinturbo Skylark

    Buick 350 Inspirational members to me..
    TuBBeD for his 551+ N/A build
    BillMah52 First to take a 350 where no man has gone before
    Justa350 First to hang a pair of turbos and cause Kaos
    GSJohnny First to max out the bore at .090 and his .075 and have engines that actually breath well N/A!
    Bobb Makley First well known to Stroke a 350
    Ken Betts, Hopefully the guy to pull-off 350 AL heads :-D

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    Default Re: Twin turbo 455, FI

    im no engineer but would those exhaust flanges not cause turbulence or am i missing something?
    Lonnie
    Black 70 skylark post car (Tyler's old car)
    Yellow 72 suncoupe 350/350 8.5.
    72 chevelle with 462 buick 9-9.5-1 estimated cr stock not stage heads lunati 68001 cam 800 cfm qjet. hooker headers and spx intake. th-400. 100 shot
    8.5 3.73 posi
    3200 coan (sold)

    1.78 60 ft 12.2 at 112 mph
    no traction

    first engine i built by myself. gotta love the 3126 cat..pshht.

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    Default Re: Twin turbo 455, FI

    cool build. keep pictures coming

    Cody

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    Default Re: Twin turbo 455, FI

    Quote Originally Posted by 462 Chevelle View Post
    im no engineer but would those exhaust flanges not cause turbulence or am i missing something?
    oh damn, i really didnt look at the pic till you mentioned....and ah ...yea..

    whats with th emis-matched shapes there?
    \

    as long as the diameter of the circle is big enough not to block the square inlet then its all good..
    Mike aka BiZnO
    72 twinturbo Skylark

    Buick 350 Inspirational members to me..
    TuBBeD for his 551+ N/A build
    BillMah52 First to take a 350 where no man has gone before
    Justa350 First to hang a pair of turbos and cause Kaos
    GSJohnny First to max out the bore at .090 and his .075 and have engines that actually breath well N/A!
    Bobb Makley First well known to Stroke a 350
    Ken Betts, Hopefully the guy to pull-off 350 AL heads :-D

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    Default Re: Twin turbo 455, FI

    i thought the eddy heads had the stock shape exhaust port?
    Lonnie
    Black 70 skylark post car (Tyler's old car)
    Yellow 72 suncoupe 350/350 8.5.
    72 chevelle with 462 buick 9-9.5-1 estimated cr stock not stage heads lunati 68001 cam 800 cfm qjet. hooker headers and spx intake. th-400. 100 shot
    8.5 3.73 posi
    3200 coan (sold)

    1.78 60 ft 12.2 at 112 mph
    no traction

    first engine i built by myself. gotta love the 3126 cat..pshht.

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    Default Re: Twin turbo 455, FI

    D'oh.... I clearly saw the picture of the turbo but when I saw the flange my brain turned off and pictured a regular header.

    Makes sense now, thank Sean.
    Azeem
    Ottawa Ontario Canada

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    Default Re: Twin turbo 455, FI

    Quote Originally Posted by 462 Chevelle View Post
    im no engineer but would those exhaust flanges not cause turbulence or am i missing something?
    I'm with you on that, but this guy is definitely no dummy, I'm sure he has something figured out for it and it was done for a reason. He's GOOD with the header building. I'm going to be starting a set for my OHC six soon because of motivation from this and other project's he has going.
    The Silver Buick- '77 Skylark coupe w/455, SPX, MegaSquirt 2 & TKO-600 (Drag Week 2011!), '72 Centurion Conv't - 455w/TH400, '67 T-bird 4Dr (suicide) w/428, MegaSquirt 1 & C6. '69 Firebird replaced, now building a Pontiac Turbo L6!

    My Skylark thread
    http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=208168
    My Pontiac OHC Six thread.
    http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=219250

    I'm just a regular guy that fuel injected an old Buick and Thunderbird.

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    Default Re: Twin turbo 455, FI

    im sure he has it figured out. im just curious what he had going on. maybe we could learn something. unless its a secret
    Lonnie
    Black 70 skylark post car (Tyler's old car)
    Yellow 72 suncoupe 350/350 8.5.
    72 chevelle with 462 buick 9-9.5-1 estimated cr stock not stage heads lunati 68001 cam 800 cfm qjet. hooker headers and spx intake. th-400. 100 shot
    8.5 3.73 posi
    3200 coan (sold)

    1.78 60 ft 12.2 at 112 mph
    no traction

    first engine i built by myself. gotta love the 3126 cat..pshht.

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    Default Re: Twin turbo 455, FI

    The first headers I did were square port - and it was a b*t*h to both blend and line up the pipes.... however, it's really easy to cut the corners once the pipes are welded in place and make a square to round port... and it's LOTS easier to put the pipe where you want it. So that's why - the sides are covered by the 16 ga (1/8") pipe, and the corners are blended.

    Why do I build it myself - because I can? I actually enjoy puzzling out how I want the headers, and I also like that headers cost me less than $200.... here's ones I did before (they are WAYYYYYY oversized for that stock motor - but my original plan was a supercharger for this motor's build)





    and with paint



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    Default Re: Twin turbo 455, FI

    Bump to the top!
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    Default Re: Twin turbo 455, FI

    updates??

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    Default Re: Twin turbo 455, FI

    Let's see... update

    Never, ever, ever use Jim Green's Performance Center in Monroe Washington. I'm still dealing with the aftermath of what they did wrong (they didn't follow the TA performance instructions on how to install the girdle) then claimed they were perfect and never made mistakes. As you might imagine, many words are being exchanged.

    Once that's straightened out, I'll be back on the build. Otherwise, I'm working with a couple different suppliers for the chassis that will get this motor.

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    Sorry to hear of your troubles. Keep is updated when you get back moving in the right direction, im really intrigued by this build. Looks like youve got a recipe for one nasty ride!
    Shawn
    "I drive too fast to worry about my cholesterol..."
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    BUILT
    not bought


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    Default Re: Twin turbo 455, FI

    Why not pick up a set of nice rods for half price:

    http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.ph...let-steel-rods
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    Default Re: Twin turbo 455, FI

    Zombie thread alert
    So life happened, I built a couple other cars. Jim Green Performance has my complete hatred and the story will come out over time.... but suffice to say they completely ruined the 76 block and what you'll see next is not that block.

    But some pretty stuff first


    custom pistons


    work-of-art rods


    another block that was sleeved to get better wall thickness (don't start with me about a TA block, that's another long story but the highlight is I didn't realize I'd be spending as much as I did.... but it got done, money is spent, and I'll be running something built by Buick - which is something, though it might also be a way to keep myself from cussing)


    believe it or not, it's not done. I still need to do something about the oil passages, I think this is a 73 block


    and clean up some slag


    so I pulled it back out tonight.


    washed it


    and you can see one of the vehicles I built in the mean time


    So here's the plan
    430 Ci, edelbrock heads, stock crank, callies rods, diamond pistons, roller TA custom ground cam, MS3x computer, crank fired ignition, likely external oil pump, turbo 400, no air bags, just low. Chop the top a bit....
    but here's the deal - I'm not building the to first. It's going to look just this pretty until everything else is done. I will do the chop, won't finish the welds. Eventually it will be pretty, until then it will be pretty fast. The suspension is a Panther platform front, 9" rear, 4 link which you will see soon. The first step is the floor.

    so this is what I just finished

    started as this a couple years ago

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    Default Re: Twin turbo 455, FI

    gotta love the old FJ40's. I have a 72 that I love. Sorry to hear your troubles with all the machine work. I was looking into a lot of the same things as you on the built by buick stuff... gets expensive in a hurry.

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    Default Re: Twin turbo 455, FI

    It does get expensive, especially when you have to do it twice. Putting that cost aside for a bit, at the expected hp levels, the cost is about the same as if I'd bought a LSA except that I get Buick torque and a bit more hp. Oh yeah, and I don't have an LS motor in a Buick ;)

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    Default Re: Twin turbo 455, FI

    Nice projects, please keep us posted!!!! Once you feel the boost kick in you will be addicted! I know I am!
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    Default Re: Twin turbo 455, FI

    not my first boosted car, not even my first boosted Buick. I got addicted back when turbos were terrible - with a 77 Skyhawk that had a 79 turbo Regal motor in it. Draw-through FTW baby! power shifting a dogleg 5 speed with 3rd popping out of gear when you let off the throttle - good times, really hazy good times man. And despite all of that (it died when the turbo lunched) I miss that car a lot....

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    Default Re: Twin turbo 455, FI

    Awesome to see another Efi forced induction project. I feel your pain over the machine shop. I got screwed by my machine shop as well. Its tough to get the motivation once you hit a roadblock like that but it's great to see you are getting back into it! Don't add up the costs because you can certainly buy an LS cheaper than building a Buick motor. There is no fun in that though.
    Jacob
    72 Skylark with rebuilt Buick 355. 8.5:1 JE pistons. TA 1.60 roller rockers, roller cam and lifters.
    TA SP3 Intake converted to Holley HP MPFI with 66lb injectors
    Chevy 12 bolt 4.11 gears
    TA 1 5/8" headers
    Extreme Automatics Stage II 200-4r Extreme Automatics 2600rpm 9.5" converter
    Coil near plug ignition, GN cam sensor, 36-1 crank trigger.
    Front and rear disc brake conversion, Rear sway bar, boxed lower rear control arms
    17x8 and 17x9 Year one Magnum wheels. 285/40/17 rear tires.

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    Default Re: Twin turbo 455, FI

    Quote Originally Posted by DauntlessSB92 View Post
    Awesome to see another Efi forced induction project. I feel your pain over the machine shop. I got screwed by my machine shop as well. Its tough to get the motivation once you hit a roadblock like that but it's great to see you are getting back into it! Don't add up the costs because you can certainly buy an LS cheaper than building a Buick motor. There is no fun in that though.
    It's just part of the story of the car, now.

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    Default Re: Twin turbo 455, FI

    so it's in the shop
    for those who wonder why I finished the '40 first - to pull the buick into the shop


    holes



    and firewall holes


    and I made an executive decision - I'm going to put this on a frame table to weld the floors in.... nothing like an extra 40 hours of work... oh well, only way to do it right

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    Default Re: Twin turbo 455, FI

    Cool keep us posted!
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