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    Default Buick 350 comp cam thumpr

    Will the Buick 350 comp cam thumpr 279th7 will work with my 71 Buick 350 I know that it's 8:5:1 and it doesn't says what comprassion to work with and I'm just wondering if it would work with exhaust manifold til I buy me a pair of headers can some one help me out I want to go with a bigger cam and have better performance.my car has 2 1/2 inch flowmaster exhaust system and a 2,000 to 2,200 torque converter..

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    Default Re: Buick 350 comp cam thumpr

    Just go with a TA 212 cam, trust me.
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    Default Re: Buick 350 comp cam thumpr

    If I buy the TA 212 cam what do I all need to change..I know I have to buy a timing and lifters do I have to change anything else

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    Default Re: Buick 350 comp cam thumpr

    Comp 268 has been used by many here quite successfully. They sell everything you might need either a la carte or in a kit. I think it may actually be less than the TA stuff too. Some here think it is an "old" type cam, but it's been doing well for a lot of years, and besides, if the motor is 40 years old, what difference would it make? Not saying the TA product wouldnt work, just that the Comp stuff has stood the test of time. Google them and give em a call. Decide for yourself.

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    Default Re: Buick 350 comp cam thumpr

    I just trying a cheaper and easier route to put a cam in my motor I really like the thumpr 279th7 cam but I also like the TA 212 cam and i really want to know what do I all need to change it like I already know I have to buy a timing chain,lifts and cam and I'm wondering if taperformance makes a cam kit for a reasonable price. Should I buy valve springs or I don't have to

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    Default Re: Buick 350 comp cam thumpr

    Quote Originally Posted by Jmac71350 View Post
    I just trying a cheaper and easier route to put a cam in my motor I really like the thumpr 279th7 cam but I also like the TA 212 cam and i really want to know what do I all need to change it like I already know I have to buy a timing chain,lifts and cam and I'm wondering if taperformance makes a cam kit for a reasonable price. Should I buy valve springs or I don't have to
    No i don't believe you need new springs with the ta 212 but i would get pushrods as well.
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    Default Re: Buick 350 comp cam thumpr

    Quote Originally Posted by Jmac71350 View Post
    I just trying a cheaper and easier route to put a cam in my motor I really like the thumpr 279th7 cam but I also like the TA 212 cam and i really want to know what do I all need to change it like I already know I have to buy a timing chain,lifts and cam and I'm wondering if taperformance makes a cam kit for a reasonable price. Should I buy valve springs or I don't have to
    Springs wouldnt add much to the cost of all the other goodies in the kit. 40 year old springs might have lost their oomph over time, so why put all the other stuff in there only to not have everything working as it should? Springs by themselves add about $85.00. But the whole kit is only about $360. Here's an example: Part number 92-203-4 http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/c...x?csid=41&sb=2
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    Default Re: Buick 350 comp cam thumpr

    True I want kinda of pushrods should I buy ?

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    Default Re: Buick 350 comp cam thumpr

    Quote Originally Posted by Jmac71350 View Post
    True I want kinda of pushrods should I buy ?
    Adjustable pushrods is what you want. I bought mine from TA not sure if anyone else makes them.
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    Default Re: Buick 350 comp cam thumpr

    Quote Originally Posted by Jclstrike View Post
    Adjustable pushrods is what you want. I bought mine from TA not sure if anyone else makes them.
    for what it's worth.......you put that thumper in a low compression motor and you WILL be sorry. Don't do it....It will sound great but a honda civic will kick your %$^ !

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    Default Re: Buick 350 comp cam thumpr

    I'm just trying to have a good performance motor with the 8:5:1 because I'm don't have a lot of money I'm just trying to have a budget build I'm looking to have around like 300hp I know a 71 Buick 350v4 has like 260 I know its going to take money to do it.im just wanting some information and some other advice about what cam should I go with I really want a TA cam but I'm looking at comp cams and see if I find something better for a lil cheaper..

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    Default Re: Buick 350 comp cam thumpr

    Quote Originally Posted by Jmac71350 View Post
    I'm just trying to have a good performance motor with the 8:5:1 because I'm don't have a lot of money I'm just trying to have a budget build I'm looking to have around like 300hp I know a 71 Buick 350v4 has like 260 I know its going to take money to do it.im just wanting some information and some other advice about what cam should I go with I really want a TA cam but I'm looking at comp cams and see if I find something better for a lil cheaper..
    Really not trying make anything of it ,,, what you really need to do is ask yourself...what do I want to get out of this car ? Start with that and there are alot of people here that can help you. Just hate to see people think that one or two parts are really going to make it all work. Start with....Do I want a daily driver ?...How many miles am I going to drive this car every day ?....Do I want to drive high rpm or low rpm ?.
    Put these answers out there and you will get great advice.

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    Default Re: Buick 350 comp cam thumpr

    I say look at the TA284 88H cam
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    Default Re: Buick 350 comp cam thumpr

    I would put in the TA 212 cam. This is the best cam to put in for a 8.5 comp mild build. Anything else will require more work and the engine will not have the power you expect. Also supporting TA will help with more 350 parts. Get the whole kit with the springs and all that. Get a new set of rockers and shafts normal pushrods for stock engine. You will be fine here with this. Don't make it harder than it is.

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    The comp cam will be too big unless you do some more work on the heads like some porting. 227-241 @ 50 is too much for a stock engine The TA cam is at 218 227 @50 and is recommeneded for 9.0 comp You will need at least that or more for the Comp Cam. I ran the 268 Comp cam, it was nice but it took to over 2500 rpm to get going. It is a very old design I bought it in 1983.

    Checked some prices too TA cam 185.00, Comp 192.00, TA spring 75.00 Comp 69.00, Valve seals TA 12.00-25.00 Comp 23.00, stock push rods TA 40.00 Comp 35.00, Lifters TA 79-85.00 Comp 91.00, Timing chain TA 20-60.00, Comp 27.00, steel Rocker shaft kit TA 155.00. Not much difference in prices in the two companies. I would support TA, at least this way they will give you help when you need it and this will help them develop more parts for the 350.

    ---------- Post added at 09:22 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:22 AM ----------

    The comp cam will be too big unless you do some more work on the heads like some porting. 227-241 @ 50 is too much for a stock engine The TA cam is at 218 227 @50 and is recommeneded for 9.0 comp You will need at least that or more for the Comp Cam. I ran the 268 Comp cam, it was nice but it took to over 2500 rpm to get going. It is a very old design I bought it in 1983.

    Checked some prices too TA cam 185.00, Comp 192.00, TA spring 75.00 Comp 69.00, Valve seals TA 12.00-25.00 Comp 23.00, stock push rods TA 40.00 Comp 35.00, Lifters TA 79-85.00 Comp 91.00, Timing chain TA 20-60.00, Comp 27.00, steel Rocker shaft kit TA 155.00. Not much difference in prices in the two companies. I would support TA, at least this way they will give you help when you need it and this will help them develop more parts for the 350.
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    Default Re: Buick 350 comp cam thumpr

    Quote Originally Posted by Fox's Den View Post
    ---------- Post added at 09:22 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:43 AM ----------

    The comp cam will be too big unless you do some more work on the heads like some porting. 227-241 @ 50 is too much for a stock engine The TA cam is at 218 227 @50 and is recommeneded for 9.0 comp You will need at least that or more for the Comp Cam. I ran the 268 Comp cam, it was nice but it took to over 2500 rpm to get going. It is a very old design I bought it in 1983.
    I see this from several TA followers. What does it mean? Has the needs of a 40 yr old Buick 350 changed? Why was it fine then but now it is "an old design"?
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    Default Re: Buick 350 comp cam thumpr

    Quote Originally Posted by New SBB View Post
    I see this from several TA followers. What does it mean? Has the needs of a 40 yr old Buick 350 changed? Why was it fine then but now it is "an old design"?
    It all has to do with Dynamic Compression. An engine does not run at the advertised or static compression ratio. The valve timing, or more specifically, the intake valve closing point determines dynamic compression. The intake valve always closes when the piston is on it's way up the cylinder on the compression stroke. You can't build any compression at all until the intake valve closes. An early closing builds more cylinder pressure, a late closing, less cylinder pressure. Higher static compression is needed to run bigger cams that have later intake valve closing. That is why you see a minimum compression ratio in cam descriptions. Lower compression ratios want a smaller cam to keep the dynamic compression in the desirable range of 7.5 - 8.4. Read more here.

    http://www.empirenet.com/pkelley2/DynamicCR.html
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    Default Re: Buick 350 comp cam thumpr

    I think you need something in the 215 int-230 exh @050 on a 110sep/installed at 106 c/l to build some low end cylinder pressure
    The large split will allow the motor to breathe better upstairs and still maitain good bottom end,also working well with teh poor factory exhaust ports
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    Default Re: Buick 350 comp cam thumpr

    Quote Originally Posted by New SBB View Post
    I see this from several TA followers. What does it mean? Has the needs of a 40 yr old Buick 350 changed? Why was it fine then but now it is "an old design"?
    Back then that was the only cam available for the 350. I did not even now of Ken-Bell at the time. The 212 cam might even be a little large for the 350, He may have to step down one more notch if the engine is at 8.5 comp. Staying at about 210 int@050 might be the best bet and keeping the large split will be a good idea also, that works better in a stock Buick engine. The Comp cam is a 218-218 cam @050 469 lift, it is basically a Chevy cam. If you port the heads some and bump the comp up over 9.5 then you might be able to go for the 284 88H cam mentioned earlier.

    ---------- Post added at 02:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:11 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by New SBB View Post
    I see this from several TA followers. What does it mean? Has the needs of a 40 yr old Buick 350 changed? Why was it fine then but now it is "an old design"?
    Back then that was the only cam available for the 350. I did not even now of Ken-Bell at the time. The 212 cam might even be a little large for the 350, He may have to step down one more notch if the engine is at 8.5 comp. Staying at about 210 int@050 might be the best bet and keeping the large split will be a good idea also, that works better in a stock Buick engine. The Comp cam is a 218-218 cam @050 469 lift, it is basically a Chevy cam. If you port the heads some and bump the comp up over 9.5 then you might be able to go for the 284 88H cam mentioned earlier.
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    Default Re: Buick 350 comp cam thumpr

    Product ID: TA_112-350
    350H.455"-210'/.468"-215',110'
    Excellent street cam, giving 20 HP increase over stock cams. Good fuel economy, stock valve train ok. Smooth idle. 8.0:1 to 10.0:1 CR
    Idle Quality:
    Smooth Idle - just like stock
    Good Idle - mild lump, but doesn’t impair driveability
    Moderate Idle - nice performance sound
    Fair Idle - heavy lump
    Rough Idle - very lumpy race type idle

    VALVE LIFT
    • STOCK 1.55 RATIO:
      IN: .455”
      EXH: .468”
    • TA ROLLERS 1.60 RATIO:
      IN: .470”
      EXH: .483”
    DURATION
    • AT .050
      IN: 210
      EXH: 215
    • ADVERTISED
      IN: 260
      EXH: 262


    Its this a good cam for my motor


    ---------- Post added at 05:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:13 PM ----------

    Product ID: TA_112-350
    350H.455"-210'/.468"-215',110'
    Excellent street cam, giving 20 HP increase over stock cams. Good fuel economy, stock valve train ok. Smooth idle. 8.0:1 to 10.0:1 CR
    Idle Quality:
    Smooth Idle - just like stock
    Good Idle - mild lump, but doesn’t impair driveability
    Moderate Idle - nice performance sound
    Fair Idle - heavy lump
    Rough Idle - very lumpy race type idle

    VALVE LIFT
    • STOCK 1.55 RATIO:
      IN: .455”
      EXH: .468”
    • TA ROLLERS 1.60 RATIO:
      IN: .470”
      EXH: .483”
    DURATION
    • AT .050
      IN: 210
      EXH: 215
    • ADVERTISED
      IN: 260
      EXH: 262


    Its this a good cam for my motor

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    Default Re: Buick 350 comp cam thumpr

    Yes this will work fine especially if it really is a 8.5 comp motor. The 212 cam is the highest I would go with what you have now. You can see that this cam will work all the way up to 10.0 comp so if you upgrade other parts later on the motor you can still use the same cam till you get past this point of cam selection. You are always better off with too little cam than too big.
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    Default Re: Buick 350 comp cam thumpr

    So with 9.5:1 compression a TA 290 would be around 7.23:1 DCR for me, and if I installed it at a 102* ICL I could get my DCR to 7.5:1. Is that possible though if I mill the heads .040"? I know this is all WAG's as far as clearance concerns go but I just want to make sure I am not completely out of the ballpark. The C113 on the other hand would be at 7.5:1 right out of the box (installing at a 109* centerline) which may give me more room to play with degeeing the cam to boost my DCR a little. I hope I don't sound absurd with all that desktop engine building but I am trying to get a general direction for my very near future top end build. Not intending to steal the thread, just throw in a new dynamic as far as giving the OP an idea of how different cams and cam timing affects DCR
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    Default Re: Buick 350 comp cam thumpr

    I see no reason to go with a larger cam than a TA 212 unless the heads are VERY well ported. The loss in low RPM torque is just not worth the gain in high RPm HP in most cases. Might as well keep the static compression at about 9:1-9.5:1 so you can run regular grade fuel. Or if you want to get serious, have the heads ported heavily, larger cam, and a converter in the trans to match along with a low gearing in the rear end....

    Or, just keep the stock cam, converter, and gearing and add twin turbos to make the engine breath well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sean Buick 76 View Post
    I see no reason to go with a larger cam than a TA 212 unless the heads are VERY well ported. The loss in low RPM torque is just not worth the gain in high RPm HP in most cases. Might as well keep the static compression at about 9:1-9.5:1 so you can run regular grade fuel. Or if you want to get serious, have the heads ported heavily, larger cam, and a converter in the trans to match along with a low gearing in the rear end....

    Or, just keep the stock cam, converter, and gearing and add twin turbos to make the engine breath well.
    If you really want that thumper cam with a comp ratio in the 7.5 range....you best add a 3500+ stall converter and alot of gear to get that thing into a power band that will make you wish you hadn't used a smaller cam.....Then be prepared to rebuild the thing when you rev it so high that it comes apart.

    My motor has a bit larger cam than a thumper and it has 11-1 comp ratio and a whole lotta parts and it still could use more than a 3200 converter and the 3.92 gears I have in it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhgs View Post
    If you really want that thumper cam with a comp ratio in the 7.5 range....you best add a 3500+ stall converter and alot of gear to get that thing into a power band that will make you wish you hadn't used a smaller cam.....Then be prepared to rebuild the thing when you rev it so high that it comes apart.

    My motor has a bit larger cam than a thumper and it has 11-1 comp ratio and a whole lotta parts and it still could use more than a 3200 converter and the 3.92 gears I have in it now.
    Yes, you have built the whole CAR around the larger cam.. Many people try to JUST change to a huge cam and the results are terrible...
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