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    Default Re: TA 0291110 Buildup

    Fantastic progress, love the numbers.

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    Default Re: TA 0291110 Buildup

    Quote Originally Posted by DaWildcat View Post
    Fantastic progress, love the numbers.

    Devon
    Thanks Devon.
    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Reynolds View Post
    WOW.... what did you do to my oil pan? lol

    Nice addition. It's nice when you don't have the constraints of the stock frame and cross member to confine your creativity!

    Looking good!!


    Steve
    Quote Originally Posted by slimfromnz View Post
    Sorry about that Steve I know you put a lot of time and effort into it, and I put a lot of money into it
    What do you think of the windage Steve? should I have made some more holes in it around the large opening?

    Thanks for the comments guys. Getting very close now. Problem is I have been asked by one of my clients to work 12+hrs a day for the next 2-3 weeks Not much time for the motor
    Cheers
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Reynolds View Post
    Royden, with the sump that low and far away from the crank you'll be fine. Just keep the oil level (at least) one quart low on the dipstick to keep oil from residing in the front sump.
    I told mike that for the amount of work put into those steel conversion pans I could build a killer aluminum one that would be better all around. He was worried about running an aluminum pan on the street. I've done it for years. They are tougher than they look.

    Anyway.... the engine looks outstanding!!


    Steve
    Quote Originally Posted by slimfromnz View Post
    An aluminum pan sure would of looked good, but like you say Mike didn't want any problems with it cracking or splitting. Mike didn't want to build so much horsepower into the engine because he thought it was to much for the street and the car for that matter.
    I ended up sending him photos of the chassis that I built, to show him how strong this car will be to put his mind at ease. As it happened, we chose a smaller cam to make it drivable on the street.
    Thanks for your input Steve.
    Cheers
    How much oil is above the top side of the pick up? It looks like the crank is whipping the oil off into the open area of the pan causing it to aerate the oil. Can you fit some directional mesh in there? Is there enough room in the front? Or maybe a larger piece of metal/aluminum with louvers and a small hole to stick the block end of the pick up tube through first so you can bolt the PU to the block then use some duz fasteners to hold the shield to the pan. Maybe lift the shield up a bit so it is as close to flush with front of the pan as you can get it.
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    Default Re: TA 0291110 Buildup

    I have taken measurements before I put the pan on so I will check when I get home
    Cheers

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    Ok, I think I'm on top of it now
    Found I had too much oil and that my pickup needs to be lowered by 1"
    Also put some more drain holes in my baffle



    Hopefully once I drop my pickup deeper into the pan it will be ok
    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimfromnz View Post
    Ok, I think I'm on top of it now
    Found I had too much oil and that my pickup needs to be lowered by 1"
    Also put some more drain holes in my baffle



    Hopefully once I drop my pickup deeper into the pan it will be ok
    Cheers
    I think you still need to mesh the sump area, when the oil flings off the crank it hits that opening. Pm me your e-mail addy and I will send you some thing that might help you. Chris
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    Ok, I decided to take a different tack with the oil pan. I was going to get Steve Reynolds to make an alloy pan for me, which he was happy to do, but not till the new year.
    I want to get the motor back on the dyno, so my research started with help from buickstage1.
    I had some 16g folded up to my dimensions, bought another pan gasket and 5/8" pickup tube from TA.
    Here is the start of the new oil pan with cut outs for the front


    Plenty of room


    One side is bigger than the other to allow for the starter. Here are the fillet plates tacked in


    I also bought a Canton Race Products windage screen kit, which was pretty easy to install



    I made this baffle to put in the middle from left to right



    Then I put these bevels on the holes to promote oil flow in one direction, to the back


    Then I made an enclosure for the pickup I made. The idea was to trap oil in the back where the pickup is.


    Then I beveled the top of each opening to promote oil in


    Here it is mocked up. You can see where the pickup is located. It actually sits on the floor with a 3/8" high foot holding the screen off the floor. I made the pickup out of some 2"x 2" box and cut a 3/8" bottom piece out of it but leaving the end to create a foot. I then drilled 95 holes (count them if you like ) in a plate to act as a screen.



    Steve Reynolds look away now!!
    Here is what is left of my old oil pan


    I had to make these as straight as I could so it would be easier to weld together



    Sorting out the front


    Here it is tacked together.


    This project gave me the excuse to by a TIG and give it a go. Here was one of my last welds.

    Found that the 2 surfaces have to be so clean. Had to dig out a few contamination bubbles ;)
    Cheers

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    Default Re: TA 0291110 Buildup

    Royden, you really do nice work! Is there any way you could put in a trap door instead of the baffle with the holes in it? You buy the piano hinge at the hardware store https://www.google.ca/search?q=piano...&bih=600&dpr=1
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    72 GS LS gone BBB going back in! Went 9.93 with BBB power
    GSX clone 462 9.3:1, STG2se 3.73, 11.0s 439.39 RWHP/437.99 TQ
    69 2dr Wildcat red, with white int and a full load.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buicksstage1 View Post
    Royden, you really do nice work! Is there any way you could put in a trap door instead of the baffle with the holes in it? You buy the piano hinge at the hardware store https://www.google.ca/search?q=piano...&bih=600&dpr=1
    I will have a look.
    Cheers

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    Default Re: TA 0291110 Buildup

    Looks like you're doing a great job! I don't need to look away..... I've seen worse surgeries!
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    Default Re: TA 0291110 Buildup

    Looks great. I consider projects like this as "therapy". Soon you'll be back up and running.
    Gary G.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Reynolds View Post
    Looks like you're doing a great job! I don't need to look away..... I've seen worse surgeries!
    Thanks Steve.
    I was a little worried about tackling this as I was sure how to do it. I thought I would start with the pickup and build an oil pan around it

    ---------- Post added at 05:03 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:56 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by badbuik View Post
    Looks great. I consider projects like this as "therapy". Soon you'll be back up and running.
    Gary G.
    Exactly Gary. I cant wait to see it back on the dyno. Trying to do this in the middle of moving house. The wife can get a bit sometimes, but she is onboard

    I feel a bit stupid.......................... because I had a small vacuum leak under the carbies, so I took them off and was just looking down the runners of the tunnel ram and I noticed the tunnel ram ports aren't matched to the heads
    Generally they need about 1/8" removed to match the heads. I have had these heads and tunnel ram for about 5 yrs now and never noticed it. I wasn't going to tell anyone (for fear of sounding stupid) but I guess its all about patience and doing it right the first time. Might even give me a bit more on the dyno?
    Cheers

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    Default Re: TA 0291110 Buildup

    Royden,

    Is that pick up a do it your self weld up?

    Is that something I can get from TA?

    I have made up my mind to keep mine internal pick up instead of getting the external type.
    Michael Evans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Evans View Post
    Royden,

    Is that pick up a do it your self weld up?

    Is that something I can get from TA?

    I have made up my mind to keep mine internal pick up instead of getting the external type.
    It something I made basing it off a Milodon style pickup. The tube itself is TA.
    It actually sits on the floor with a 3/8" high foot holding the screen off the floor. I made the pickup out of some 2"x 2" box and cut a 3/8" bottom piece out of it but leaving the end to create a foot. I then drilled 95 holes (count them if you like ) in a plate to act as a screen
    Cheers

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    Royden Hardcastle
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    Well I took my oil pan to my dyno guy to get his opinion, and he said he would like to see a trap door, do away with the baffle plate I made and direct the oil via a race to the box I made for the pickup. He also said to put side trap doors on to assist with cornering. He also said I need to include a scrapper, which is a little more difficult with the pickup tube in the way. These TA455 blocks run the pickup tube all the way to the front of the block, not half way like the factory castings, which does create a problem for my scrapper.
    When looking at the front of the engine it rotates clockwise???????
    Anyone confirm for me.
    Dont want to install the mesh and scrapper the wrong way. I am pretty sure the crank spins colckwise
    Cheers

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    Royden
    Great job on the pan! Get the trap doors in there and it will be an awesome set up. Yes clockwise is correct.
    Rick
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    Quote Originally Posted by MT BUICKNUT View Post
    Royden
    Great job on the pan! Get the trap doors in there and it will be an awesome set up. Yes clockwise is correct.
    Rick
    Thanks Rick,
    Yep nearly finished it with 3 trap doors. I thought while I was at it I would put 2 sides ones in also that swing in. I have a ton of pics to post but have to get ready for the Monster Jam monster trucks here in Sydney all from the US. We have some pretty lame ones doing the circuit here in AUS, but am really looking forward to seeing some real hang time. I dont know who is more excited, me or my 9yr old son
    Cheers

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    Nearly finished it. I removed the baffle plate and box I made around the pickup and started again.

    Here is the race and forward trap door


    Here it is mocked in position looking from the back


    I also lifted the front of the floor to assist with oil runoff to the back


    Looking from the front


    Here you can see the side trap doors


    Put this plate over the top to stop it running out the back under acceleration


    Next I needed to make a piece to fill the front. This took me a while because I wanted it to fit nice and snug so I wasn't welding big gaps with the TIG






    Looking from the back showing the front plate welded in


    Here is the back plate


    Cut to fit


    In position


    Here is my tiny workshop. All my tools are in view. Wish I had a guillotine and pan break


    I will finish the rear plate tomorrow morning, then take it in to get sandblasted to remove all internal welding scale, then I will check for leaks with some solvent, weld the trap door, race etc in position then powdercoat the exterior ready to go back on.
    Cheers

    Regards
    Royden Hardcastle
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    Default Re: TA 0291110 Buildup

    Lovely fab work, Royden.

    Devon
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    Default Re: TA 0291110 Buildup

    Thanks Devon. For me it was a bit of a monumental task
    Performed a leak test and had a few minor leaks to fix.
    Getting it ready for powdercoat.
    Cheers

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    Default Re: TA 0291110 Buildup

    very nice work > What tig did you buy , and how did it work ?
    MIKE

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    Quote Originally Posted by staged2ny View Post
    very nice work > What tig did you buy , and how did it work ?
    Thanks Mike. Its a CIGWELD Transarc 161 VRD. Works good, I think its only flaws are the operator ;)
    Cheers

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    So close to finishing up the sump
    Went thru and welded up some of the longer runs as I will have about 15kg of oil sloshing around and want to minimise the risk of stress fractures
    I made up some anti-surge plates for the front and rear of the windage screen


    Here they are installed. These will stop the oil trying to get thru the screen under accel/decel.



    Trapdoor assembly welded in place


    All I have to do now is the scraper and cut an access for the pick up to pass thru the screen
    Cheers

    Regards
    Royden Hardcastle
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    Default Re: TA 0291110 Buildup

    We have finished moving house so I took the opportunity to finish the scraper and pickup cutout
    Had to work out how to get around the pickup tube




    Now to clean it up and get it powder coated, back on the engine, back on the dyno
    Cheers

    Regards
    Royden Hardcastle
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    Default Re: TA 0291110 Buildup

    Very nice work. Looks like quite a few hours of work.
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